A Barbaric Society....the Terry Schiavo Case

Flying Ace · 03-30-2005, 12:34 AM

I have to vent on this already. It is almost with certainty that the story of Pinnellas Park Florida, who has suffered catastrophic brain damage, has been heard by almost everyone nationwide. That on March 18th, the apellate court upheld the decision that her feeding tube would uphold her husband/guardian's request to have her feeding tube removed, against the will of her parents, and essentially let her starve/dehydrate herself to death. Court appointed doctors claim that due to the extent of the brain damage, that she is unaware of this and feels nothing..and as a further precaution, is being given morphine.

Now I don't presume to enter into any debate as to whether Terri Schiavo should be allowed to live or not. There are complexities and details that were not presented in the media. But I do think there are sufficient details and aspects of this case that make me cringe about our society and our judicual system that in reaching their decision about the law to allow the desecration of another human...it is just apalling.

I'll sum this up rather poignantly: The bodies of criminals who have raped and murdered and spent years on death row consuming citizen's tax dollars are presented a more humane manner of death by lethal injection than what the body of Terry Schiavo is enduring. Since Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube was removed, she could not fully partake of her religious sacraments, her eyes have sunken in, her lips parched, and cheeks collapsed. Undoubtedly, she probably is going to start to go into kidney failure and other organ failure....as she endures a slow death.

The "expert" doctors will say that she can't feel a thing, but can they be certain? Who truly knows what that body is feeling? Medical tests are known to be wrong, and there is sufficient brain activity to keep her body alive. If so, what is to say that sufficent nerve activity and sensation also is not present? Nerve activity is required for some organ activity, Any uncertainty is enough cause for precaution and medicine is not always 100%.

The pompous courts of this land, in their rush to judgment in the application of the law, failed to consider in protecting the fundamental human rights of the one person who could not protect herself, Ms. Schiavo. If it was to be decided that Mr. Schiavo would be allowed to remove the feeding tube, then further consideration of the implications and effects of that removal leading up to the eventual death should have also been considered. Instead, they apparently were not. If death was the desired effect, which apparently it was in this case, then why did they not have in place some sort of humane procedure instead of the pronlonged wasting away?

To deny a body required nourishment is barbaric. And for a society in which you cannot supposedly spank a child today without it being construed as abuse, the handling of the Schiavo case is a travesty is the truest sense of the word.

I remain a humble man, and if one thing life has taught me, don't mess with the Almighty. There were many very bad choices. And I do believe that Mr. Schiavo, as well as the judges, Florida's Governor, and even our President, anyone who was in a position to stop this senseless act of barbarism, will one day have to answer for what allowed to happen to this human being.

God Be With You Terri

dylan · 03-30-2005, 01:20 AM

Terry is in a persistant vegatative state. Tell me, if you were in the same condition, would you want to be kept alive? I understand the issue of "playing God" here....and nobody really has the moral right to do so, and the way they are letting her die may be barbaric......but if anybody here said: "Hey, if I were in a vegetative state, I would want to be kept alive!!" I would tell you to your face you are full of sh it.

Sitting in a bed with a feeding tube, never waking up, not hearing, not feeling, not loving...and looking forward to what...another 20-30 years of this? Her soul sort of in limbo. I can't speak for Terri, as none of us can, but Im pretty sure given the choice of being a vegatable, or, you know, moving on, Im pretty damn posotive she would choos the latter

Flying Ace · 03-30-2005, 01:29 AM

You need to reread paragraphs 2 & 3 of my post carefully...as you are entirely missing the point! In short, the manner of death is a desecration of her body...it's abusive in nature. There were more humane alternatives as opposed to this gradual wasting away.

dylan · 03-30-2005, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

If death was the desired effect, which apparently it was in this case, then why did they not have in place some sort of humane procedure instead of the pronlonged wasting away?

What the hell has she been doing the last 15 years?? At the end of paragraph 3, you end with: "...as she endures a slow death." Again, What the hell has she been doing the last 15 years?

I didnt miss your point, I understand your not debating whether or not she should live or die. I do agree there are more "humane" ways of euthanasia. My point is simply: What does it matter at this point? After what her body has suffered through the last 15 years, the next two weeks arent going to be sh it!

LAX1983 · 03-30-2005, 02:18 AM

I don't know about you but I've noticed a pattern that everything in Florida is always f*ucked up. let's see we had Elian Gonzales 2000 Election and know this Schiavo thing WTF is up with Florida let's sink that shiznit down the Atlantic Ocean.

dylan · 03-30-2005, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LAX1983

I don't know about you but I've noticed a pattern that everything in Florida is always f*ucked up. let's see we had Elian Gonzales 2000 Election and know this Schiavo thing WTF is up with Florida let's sink that shiznit down the Atlantic Ocean.

Didn't see that you had 2000 election. nevermind, post fixed

Hapag-Lloyd · 03-30-2005, 06:27 AM

But, why let the girl die from a slow, painful death? Who - except for herself - actually KNOWS whether she is able to feel pain, or feel she´s dying.

Why not keep her alive and hope that science finds a cure for her ailment, maybe in 5, 10, 20 years? Money? Who is to decide that Ms Schiavo is a "useless vegetable"? A judge in a court? God? All of us?

I don´t know if news in the USA said this, but a benevolent society here in Germany that keeps others, especially kids, who are in a somewhat similar condition alive, has offered shelter for Ms. Schiavo, @ no cost for her family. The offer was turned down, apparently because this would overrule the courts´ decisions. Sad world.

Criton · 03-30-2005, 10:43 AM

Thank heaven I came to this thread this morning and was able to be "enlightened" by dylan. Thanks for telling me what I should think and what is right and wrong. I thought I would actually have to rationally contemplate these issues in light of our laws and my faith. Instead, my morning is now free to play golf and engage in other self-indulgent activities because "dylan" has shown me the light.

Chansen · 03-30-2005, 11:37 AM

All I can say is get yourself a Living Will!

Strategic Air Command · 03-30-2005, 03:17 PM

I for one am tierd of hearing all the same stuff on the news over and over. Give it a rest. Just my opinion.

dylan · 03-30-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Criton

Thank heaven I came to this thread this morning and was able to be "enlightened" by dylan. Thanks for telling me what I should think and what is right and wrong. I thought I would actually have to rationally contemplate these issues in light of our laws and my faith. Instead, my morning is now free to play golf and engage in other self-indulgent activities because "dylan" has shown me the light.

Your welcome. Enjoy your golf "criton".

Chansen · 03-30-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Air Command

I for one am tierd of hearing all the same stuff on the news over and over. Give it a rest. Just my opinion.

You mean bury the topic. Are you hinting to something?

DavidMich · 03-30-2005, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LAX1983

I don't know about you but I've noticed a pattern that everything in Florida is always f*ucked up. let's see we had Elian Gonzales 2000 Election and know this Schiavo thing WTF is up with Florida let's sink that shiznit down the Atlantic Ocean.

Hey, up yours paco. Ain't nothin' wrong with FL, just the asshats who run it. All in all, this event has vastly been blown out of proportion, she's in a PVS caused by her own decision to not eat (doc's call it bulimia) her folks are as equally F'd in the head with their selfish desire. So as a result, their daughter has to endure 15 years agony because they can't let go. Her ex ain't no boy scout either.

anime' · 03-30-2005, 08:37 PM

Agree 100% with Dylan. Let Terri rest in peace...

BTW: Terri's time to go with God was 15 years ago. Man put the feeding tube...

Flying Ace · 03-30-2005, 08:58 PM

Man...I've created a monster

Here's where I am going. I think this case will ultimately and should lay the groundwork for the future of humane euthanasia and how it should be adminsistered. It's a social issue of the right to die with dignity in a humane fashion that this society has to grapple with yet, but in the handling of this particular situation, clearly shows that it is not ready to do so yet.

dylan · 03-30-2005, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Man...I've created a monster

Here's where I am going. I think this case will ultimately and should lay the groundwork for the future of humane euthanasia and how it should be adminsistered. It's a social issue of the right to die with dignity in a humane fashion that this society has to grapple with yet, but in the handling of this particular situation, clearly shows that it is not ready to do so yet.

I am all for a more humane form of euthanasia. And I believe you are 100% right that this case will lay groundwork for future cases.

Going another way real quick......like Craig said, this could happen to any one of us. While your able to, draft up a living will indicating your wishes if such an unfortunate event were ever to occur.

Piston 52 Heavy · 03-30-2005, 10:00 PM

One should have known that it would have been a matter of time for Jesse Jackson to stick his nose into the situation. Where there are TV cameras, Jesse Jackson is sure to follow.

richie154 · 03-30-2005, 10:05 PM

What's really pissing me off is the blantant disregard for the families involved...thank you media!

nutsXplanes · 03-31-2005, 02:38 AM

This would/could be avoided if the authorities control the overpopulation of people coming/rowing from Cuba.

JOHN JOHNSON · 03-31-2005, 01:34 PM

Communication deliquent in this society regardless your deaf-N-dumb or Hearing person!!!

To hide the "unacceptable" fact to discuss about such as death, dead, and other issues relate to that from parent(s) or anyone in this society. That's because no one wish to talk or discuss about such (hardest) if's issues.

I can suppose that it is hard on her husband and her parent coping with either supportivers nor oppositers from the publics.

Here is what the Government should do:

Establish mandatory "Living Wills" for anyone who become an age of 18 and older to fill out. (Just like when your 18 and you get such military registration. Similar like that.) Get help if unsure with such mandatory Living Will application until you understand very crystal clear before sign your name on the dotted line. Otherwise Terri's parent would have their right to keep her alive if anything happens to her during her underage.

That ought cut all of those heartaches, supportiver/insulter/opposer, and any kinds of Bullschits! That is because an individual had signed in their wishes. Not the parent, Not the husband, Not the Government/Court!

That is very simple and plain?

By the way, Of course there is Pros and Cons on that issues and is very heartfelt. I can not give the right answer wholelly. But I think as mentioned above should solve such diaster/problems for individual's sake. (Example Terri's flesh blood are the parent which I feel that they had their right to do what they want to do with her. In the other hand she was older enough by that time of diaster occured on her which leave her parent out of hand but her husband. I could image that relationship-hatres would mount on between those parent and that widow husband as time goes by.......) Back to the question, What any good does it have?

Moreover the Government and Court itself have proven a worthless toward the disability people including Terri.

May God be with all of those who suffer her loss.

DavidMich · 03-31-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nutsXplanes

This would/could be avoided if the authorities control the overpopulation of people coming/rowing from Cuba.

Well, the USCG does equip some of it's helos with miniguns. It's not much, but it'd be a start.

Galapagapop · 03-31-2005, 07:50 PM

I too think there were better ways for her to die but her time was 15 years ago. Before the government wastes Millions on her just so the parents could live in a bubble where their child was still fine. I think this will set a new groundwork for future cases involving long term coma's and vegatative states. Sure medicine is a hope but lets be realistic about it we don't know how to fix flooded brains. Hell we don't know anything about thought processes at all. And as for her feeling pain. For us everything is generated by our brains, sight, smell, touch, ect.... So what is pain, what your brain says? No its just warning you that its bad for you, simple. There might not be any pain, its like an invisible fence for dogs just teach them no and it becomes habit so we avoid pain (rather its our body looking out for itself). Ask any scientist about all of our senses. Better yet do some research on brain surgeries where you'll find people think they smell popcorn, or someone is stepping on their foot just because part of their brain poked accidentally and they are conviced as hell of it despite some of these cases being IMPOSSIBLE. So in short we don't know anything about pain or whether she still felt pain, or how healthy someone is its just our perception of our reality that we form when we are bornand based on our own current situations! Not what we can see on an MRI or some other medical device. PERIOD!

A little Philosophy and Science for you guys

LOT 737-300 · 03-31-2005, 08:08 PM

I just wish that this would all end, I watch Newsworld International, where they have brodcasts from such news brodcasts from Deutsche Welle, NHK, CCTV, ITV and the CBC, and I'm watching the Deutsche Welle news, and there they go, they mentioned her! This has reached the world media too, not just the US. I think that this has goning too far and I just want the media to just leave them all alone.

On Terri Schivo, I'm Neutral on this, since I don't know what her wishes are, and yet again, shes been like that for around 15 years, may she rest in peace and hope that she is in a better place now.

yyzjo777 · 04-01-2005, 06:02 AM

R.I.P. Terry (3/31/05) ... how sad the husband and parents are STILL fighting even after her death in regard to what to do with her body, whether or not to cremate or where to bury the body, etc.

Jo-Anne

03-30-2005, 12:34 AM	#1
Flying Ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,150	A Barbaric Society....the Terry Schiavo Case I have to vent on this already. It is almost with certainty that the story of Pinnellas Park Florida, who has suffered catastrophic brain damage, has been heard by almost everyone nationwide. That on March 18th, the apellate court upheld the decision that her feeding tube would uphold her husband/guardian's request to have her feeding tube removed, against the will of her parents, and essentially let her starve/dehydrate herself to death. Court appointed doctors claim that due to the extent of the brain damage, that she is unaware of this and feels nothing..and as a further precaution, is being given morphine. Now I don't presume to enter into any debate as to whether Terri Schiavo should be allowed to live or not. There are complexities and details that were not presented in the media. But I do think there are sufficient details and aspects of this case that make me cringe about our society and our judicual system that in reaching their decision about the law to allow the desecration of another human...it is just apalling. I'll sum this up rather poignantly: The bodies of criminals who have raped and murdered and spent years on death row consuming citizen's tax dollars are presented a more humane manner of death by lethal injection than what the body of Terry Schiavo is enduring. Since Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube was removed, she could not fully partake of her religious sacraments, her eyes have sunken in, her lips parched, and cheeks collapsed. Undoubtedly, she probably is going to start to go into kidney failure and other organ failure....as she endures a slow death. The "expert" doctors will say that she can't feel a thing, but can they be certain? Who truly knows what that body is feeling? Medical tests are known to be wrong, and there is sufficient brain activity to keep her body alive. If so, what is to say that sufficent nerve activity and sensation also is not present? Nerve activity is required for some organ activity, Any uncertainty is enough cause for precaution and medicine is not always 100%. The pompous courts of this land, in their rush to judgment in the application of the law, failed to consider in protecting the fundamental human rights of the one person who could not protect herself, Ms. Schiavo. If it was to be decided that Mr. Schiavo would be allowed to remove the feeding tube, then further consideration of the implications and effects of that removal leading up to the eventual death should have also been considered. Instead, they apparently were not. If death was the desired effect, which apparently it was in this case, then why did they not have in place some sort of humane procedure instead of the pronlonged wasting away? To deny a body required nourishment is barbaric. And for a society in which you cannot supposedly spank a child today without it being construed as abuse, the handling of the Schiavo case is a travesty is the truest sense of the word. I remain a humble man, and if one thing life has taught me, don't mess with the Almighty. There were many very bad choices. And I do believe that Mr. Schiavo, as well as the judges, Florida's Governor, and even our President, anyone who was in a position to stop this senseless act of barbarism, will one day have to answer for what allowed to happen to this human being. God Be With You Terri Last edited by Flying Ace; 03-30-2005 at 12:38 AM.

03-30-2005, 01:20 AM	#2
dylan Village Drunkard Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert... Age: 30 Posts: 1,656	Terry is in a persistant vegatative state. Tell me, if you were in the same condition, would you want to be kept alive? I understand the issue of "playing God" here....and nobody really has the moral right to do so, and the way they are letting her die may be barbaric......but if anybody here said: "Hey, if I were in a vegetative state, I would want to be kept alive!!" I would tell you to your face you are full of sh it. Sitting in a bed with a feeding tube, never waking up, not hearing, not feeling, not loving...and looking forward to what...another 20-30 years of this? Her soul sort of in limbo. I can't speak for Terri, as none of us can, but Im pretty sure given the choice of being a vegatable, or, you know, moving on, Im pretty damn posotive she would choos the latter __________________ mmmmm, beer.

03-30-2005, 01:29 AM	#3
Flying Ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,150	You need to reread paragraphs 2 & 3 of my post carefully...as you are entirely missing the point! In short, the manner of death is a desecration of her body...it's abusive in nature. There were more humane alternatives as opposed to this gradual wasting away. Last edited by Flying Ace; 03-30-2005 at 01:39 AM.

03-30-2005, 02:18 AM	#5
LAX1983 ~Don Widgetlioni~ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Southern California Age: 25 Posts: 1,172	I don't know about you but I've noticed a pattern that everything in Florida is always f*ucked up. let's see we had Elian Gonzales 2000 Election and know this Schiavo thing WTF is up with Florida let's sink that shiznit down the Atlantic Ocean. __________________ ~A. J. R~

03-30-2005, 06:27 AM	#7
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 2,246	But, why let the girl die from a slow, painful death? Who - except for herself - actually KNOWS whether she is able to feel pain, or feel she´s dying. Why not keep her alive and hope that science finds a cure for her ailment, maybe in 5, 10, 20 years? Money? Who is to decide that Ms Schiavo is a "useless vegetable"? A judge in a court? God? All of us? I don´t know if news in the USA said this, but a benevolent society here in Germany that keeps others, especially kids, who are in a somewhat similar condition alive, has offered shelter for Ms. Schiavo, @ no cost for her family. The offer was turned down, apparently because this would overrule the courts´ decisions. Sad world. __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!!

03-30-2005, 10:43 AM	#8
Criton Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Silver Spring, MD USA Posts: 756	Thank heaven I came to this thread this morning and was able to be "enlightened" by dylan. Thanks for telling me what I should think and what is right and wrong. I thought I would actually have to rationally contemplate these issues in light of our laws and my faith. Instead, my morning is now free to play golf and engage in other self-indulgent activities because "dylan" has shown me the light.

03-30-2005, 11:37 AM	#9
Chansen Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 2,868	All I can say is get yourself a Living Will!

03-30-2005, 03:17 PM	#10
Strategic Air Command Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 811	I for one am tierd of hearing all the same stuff on the news over and over. Give it a rest. Just my opinion. Last edited by Strategic Air Command; 03-30-2005 at 03:20 PM.

03-30-2005, 08:37 PM	#14
anime' mr. badger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 222	Agree 100% with Dylan. Let Terri rest in peace... BTW: Terri's time to go with God was 15 years ago. Man put the feeding tube...

03-30-2005, 08:58 PM	#15
Flying Ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,150	Man...I've created a monster Here's where I am going. I think this case will ultimately and should lay the groundwork for the future of humane euthanasia and how it should be adminsistered. It's a social issue of the right to die with dignity in a humane fashion that this society has to grapple with yet, but in the handling of this particular situation, clearly shows that it is not ready to do so yet.

03-30-2005, 10:00 PM	#17
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03-30-2005, 10:05 PM	#18
richie154 Retired Hookah Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Valley of Heart's Delight Age: 23 Posts: 3,711	What's really pissing me off is the blantant disregard for the families involved...thank you media! __________________ The Devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villian with a smiling cheek, a goodly apple rotten at the heart. Oh, what a goodly outside falsehood hath! Private Pilot: 10/20/2005 Private Multi Engine: 05/09/2008 The more things change, the more Mesa still sucks.

03-31-2005, 02:38 AM	#19
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03-31-2005, 01:34 PM	#20
JOHN JOHNSON Mysterious Collector Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,196	This is a finest example! Communication deliquent in this society regardless your deaf-N-dumb or Hearing person!!! To hide the "unacceptable" fact to discuss about such as death, dead, and other issues relate to that from parent(s) or anyone in this society. That's because no one wish to talk or discuss about such (hardest) if's issues. I can suppose that it is hard on her husband and her parent coping with either supportivers nor oppositers from the publics. Here is what the Government should do: Establish mandatory "Living Wills" for anyone who become an age of 18 and older to fill out. (Just like when your 18 and you get such military registration. Similar like that.) Get help if unsure with such mandatory Living Will application until you understand very crystal clear before sign your name on the dotted line. Otherwise Terri's parent would have their right to keep her alive if anything happens to her during her underage. That ought cut all of those heartaches, supportiver/insulter/opposer, and any kinds of Bullschits! That is because an individual had signed in their wishes. Not the parent, Not the husband, Not the Government/Court! That is very simple and plain? By the way, Of course there is Pros and Cons on that issues and is very heartfelt. I can not give the right answer wholelly. But I think as mentioned above should solve such diaster/problems for individual's sake. (Example Terri's flesh blood are the parent which I feel that they had their right to do what they want to do with her. In the other hand she was older enough by that time of diaster occured on her which leave her parent out of hand but her husband. I could image that relationship-hatres would mount on between those parent and that widow husband as time goes by.......) Back to the question, What any good does it have? Moreover the Government and Court itself have proven a worthless toward the disability people including Terri. May God be with all of those who suffer her loss. __________________ Who should I consider? Dumbocrat Clinton or Ruptublican Johnny Mc Cain? Jimmy Mc Donald Help me! Last edited by JOHN JOHNSON; 03-31-2005 at 01:53 PM.

03-31-2005, 07:50 PM	#22
Galapagapop mmm.... Planes Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CT, USA, I won't be the first to admit it, the weather sucks here. Posts: 544	I too think there were better ways for her to die but her time was 15 years ago. Before the government wastes Millions on her just so the parents could live in a bubble where their child was still fine. I think this will set a new groundwork for future cases involving long term coma's and vegatative states. Sure medicine is a hope but lets be realistic about it we don't know how to fix flooded brains. Hell we don't know anything about thought processes at all. And as for her feeling pain. For us everything is generated by our brains, sight, smell, touch, ect.... So what is pain, what your brain says? No its just warning you that its bad for you, simple. There might not be any pain, its like an invisible fence for dogs just teach them no and it becomes habit so we avoid pain (rather its our body looking out for itself). Ask any scientist about all of our senses. Better yet do some research on brain surgeries where you'll find people think they smell popcorn, or someone is stepping on their foot just because part of their brain poked accidentally and they are conviced as hell of it despite some of these cases being IMPOSSIBLE. So in short we don't know anything about pain or whether she still felt pain, or how healthy someone is its just our perception of our reality that we form when we are bornand based on our own current situations! Not what we can see on an MRI or some other medical device. PERIOD! A little Philosophy and Science for you guys __________________ In Dire need of a AA Md-80 in 1:500 scale, please Herpa listen. AA 7e7 by 2009!

03-31-2005, 08:08 PM	#23
LOT 737-300 ЛЭТ Су-37 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somewhere near MCO. Age: 19 Posts: 1,157	I just wish that this would all end, I watch Newsworld International, where they have brodcasts from such news brodcasts from Deutsche Welle, NHK, CCTV, ITV and the CBC, and I'm watching the Deutsche Welle news, and there they go, they mentioned her! This has reached the world media too, not just the US. I think that this has goning too far and I just want the media to just leave them all alone. On Terri Schivo, I'm Neutral on this, since I don't know what her wishes are, and yet again, shes been like that for around 15 years, may she rest in peace and hope that she is in a better place now. __________________ My airport: Nowa Warszawa Int'l NWL http://www.freewebs.com/nwlairport PM me if you want Fantasy Flights. If you are interested in Joining BSA, please drop by our forum and make a post. http://s14.invisionfree.com/Bluesphe...ex.php?act=idx

04-01-2005, 06:02 AM	#24
yyzjo777 Loquacious Jo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Age: 41 Posts: 749	R.I.P. Terry (3/31/05) ... how sad the husband and parents are STILL fighting even after her death in regard to what to do with her body, whether or not to cremate or where to bury the body, etc. Jo-Anne __________________ I shop Aviation Delight Jo-Anne Talk Nerdy To Me, Lewis Skolnick!