JOHN JOHNSON

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See, That is the main reason why I voted John Kerry!

Suppose if you should happen to become handicap now. You happy?

In the other hand I hope and pray that Bush's dumb Social Security's reform plan go to hell.

This is not fair to the pure handicapped people.

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Criton

Yea, John, lets keep social security the way it is.

Recently I got my annual statement of benefits from the SSA. According to the statement, since I began working I and my employer have contributed $112,000 in social security taxes on my behalf. Now if those funds had earned just a five percent return over the 24 years I have been paying taxes, my contributions would be worth approximately $217,000. If I contributed no more money for the rest of my working carrier and let this money grow at only a 3 percent REAL rate of return, I would have $350,000 in 2005 dollars when I retire. Given what the SSA says my benefits would be if I keep working and contributing for the next 27 years, this money alone would last me for 24 years. Yet for some reason, for me to get this money, I and my employer will need to contribute $200,000 or more! What a crock!

Who's getting all of my Social Security money, JJ? Is it you?

JOHN JOHNSON

See, This is a fine example why we are always being driven away from the majority. Everytime congress pass the law such as Rehabiliation Act of 73 and American Disability Act (ADA) then WHAT A CROCK OF YOUR PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO WEAKEN OUR OPPORTUNITIES!?!? You happy!?!?

I have worked total 12 years unfortunaely my vision impairment robbed my capabilities. Tried everything to have my reasonable accommondations, efforts made then denied because of the union. Those idiot judges at the Supreme Court have sided with Seniority over Reasonable Accommondation with someone else's case which have affect wholelly including my case! By the means of appliable of laws in wholelly is "Dead end" which forced me out of work!

Why can't the idiots from Supreme Court and union pay the bill toward to Social Security for driving us out from jobs that they had cooked the laws which was passed from congress/senators/president to enhance our opportunities? Huh? The very fine example of an attitude of yours contrubite to this factors.

It is your consquences!

What's sad to see that people like you do not give a damn whether one is born unfair while y'all are born as perfect. (We do not have to whom we can grieve for being born handicap.) We have our schools and organizations that have work so hard to make things more possible for the disabled people. Unfortunately the cycle contiunes. No matter how hard we have tried, proved to y'all what we are capable of, and y'all acting like "blind". But to whine whatever is fair within majority's rule without an ounce of common senses! Y'all love to view us as incapability, dumb-N-mute, or whatsever you call it. For what? Your laughin"? Making fun of? To challenge over pea-brain people and enjoy being a Mr. Trophy? Huh?

So what can we do?

If the majority do not give a rat *** about handicapped people but to drive us out of the "Ocean of opportunities". I would suggest you to gather all handicapped people, including me, and kill us at once. So you can get all of the kind of money to self. or say "Good Riddance those people" So be it. In the opposite manner if young people feel that elderly aint worth their time-attitude and should be exterminated like us. How would elderly react? After what they have done to us thru their time? (ie: WW 1, 2, Korea war, and other wars, Great Depression era, Cure for pneounia, flu, and many other good blessing they provided to us with awesome family values they had taught us!) Oh my God! What's wrong with those over-conservationism people that think of self! Suppose an accident happen to you now and become handicap then you are being placed into line for extermination. How would you appreciate?

Or.........

SHUT THE HELL UP AND STOP WHINE ABOUT THE FAIRNESS AT WORKPLACE OR WHATSEVER AND ALLOW US TO ENJOY THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES LIKE YOU DO, REGARDLESS UNDER ANY OF SITUATION!?!? BE GLAD THAT YOU ARE NOT BORN SORRY-*** HANDICAPPED AND HAVE TO SUFFER SUCH LIFETIME BARRIERS!

Hey, Maybe we ought to organizate such as to legalize "handicap-abortion" so doctor can search whether baby will be born as a handicapped before he/she is born by informing to the mother...... "Sorry I have a bad news for you that your baby will be born a handicapped and we have to prep an abortion of your child so your child would not have to go thru such sufferings." Mothers can not decline the order and so to be it. Hey! Does that idea sound good to you? I guess so.

With such "drying pond of opportiunties" for my case and Hell no I will not live on with "too far way" under the poverty-level. Would you?

Jesus, I can not believe so much people are being aggorant by think "other system" would work better than "common sense system" without think twice or think "Nothing will ever happen to me." Until it happens to you. Ego shattered-N-cry for mercy. This is reality!


Oh One more thing. As most of you know how Social Security and employer contribite the "young" disabled retirees.... Up to 60% per month goes toward to future retirement which is taking out so much of current income. We are living on up to 40% a month comparing to what if we would have been working. What a crock! Where will my future "retirement" Social Security be going? Criton? Is it you?

Nuff said.

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N2272V

So tell me Johnny, if SS is such a good deal, why do so many GOVERNMENT entities opt out of it to provide their own? Yes that is right Johnny, many State and Federal government entities opt OUT of the SS program to do their own program. These opted out plans have a MUCH better return and are more solvent as well. My wife worked for the County of Orange in California for 10 years and never had to pay into SS but paid into their own program. Her return has been far better than anything SS provides.

So I guess you have to ask yourself, do I want to continue down the path to insolvency? Or is it time to enact a REAL program that provides REAL returns and is not a government PONZI scheme, which if if done by anyone else but the Feds, would be ILLEGAL?

Carry on John!

JOHN JOHNSON

<---- A wake up call? I guess so!

Please come on over here in this state. Unfortunaely you will see almost "non-existance" of such programs like CA is offering to better livehood the handicapped people. Come on here please. Maybe you would make so many friends which are so idiot-politics that would think your an awesome or a brilliant person! Maybe you will be rained with honors by naming "Jim McDonald Highway" or "Jim McDonald School" whatever they can find a place to honor you. Would not that be neat!?!?

I could understand what your wife is with. My wife is with the City and (I could suppose) her pension would be similar like your wife. Fortunately she got hired before 1992 which stays with old pension system. Anyone hire 1992 - current are somewhat unfortunately that retirement system is "spilt" half with City and half with SS. (Which would require to contiune work til age 62 under that system. Compare to old system with 80 points system.) Now, Why have the City changed the system? Does that mean SS is better to invest? Does that mean that City do not see the efficiency under old system and wish to save money by going with the new system?

This is almost similiar if you work with Federal Government. Oldies are under CSRS (Civillian Service Retirement System) Which one have to work 80 points to become eligibility to retire. Unfortunately for anyone under that system should become disablied the benefit sucks like hell. Anyone hire from 1982-1985ish? Somewhere that range is under CSRS-off set which is more relatively under CSRS. Anyone hire 1983-85ish-current are cover FERS (Federal Employee Retirement System) which one would retire half from Federal agency and SS. Fortunately for anyone under FERS should become disabled and the benefit is generous than CSRS. (Thanks to your buddy Ronald Reagan for abolished CSRS and made a better FERS!!!!!!)

Both of similar system do have Pros/Cons which could either retire much earlier if 80 points is met in the other hand unfortunaely under situation some have to retire much older to satisfy 80 points nor to "eligible" retire at 62 or 65 or 70 depending on their choices. But 62 is the eligible retirement age for anyone who retire under that caterogy.

So under my situation, I was forced to retire disability which I had tried everything I could do to contiune to work. Unfortunaely those stupid loopholes laws or whatever system prevented me from working. It is my duty to make certain that no one **** up my nest! You would do the very same thing if your in my shoes. No question about that.

Yes, I have heard similar like you that by invest with private is much better than SS. Please educate us? How? If you feel comfortable to PM. Feel free to do so. jjohnson1837@comcast.net

Come and visit us more frequent. This site have became somewhat boring during your absent.

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JOHN JOHNSON

If Bush is smart enough to be such generousity toward the handicapped people by leaving it alone or find some solutions for the better whenever one of us reach to retirement age then I would not complain.

The way it is being debating is somewhat anger-venting rite now. "Fire from mouth". Know what I mean?

At least from what I reseach as apparently the possibilities that handicapped's benefit may be left alone.

There is too much talks regard to retirement than the disability so..... Hard to say for now until the prospal become available. (Sometime on Feb?)

It is not right that whenever one become disabled's (even after exhaust soughts to remain workable but force out at the end.) future should contiune to weakening and to be destroyed. Otherwise to leave it alone, any efforts for the better livehood, or efforts to make things more better manners then I would not bother to complain. Understand what I am meaning?

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psalover

John,I understand that you are disabled.You because of whatever the reason is connot support yourself.I understand this,and an sympothetic to your cause.There are several posatives and negatives to SSI and the current situation that it is.

1)SSI was designed for those at the time to be taken care of if they lived past the age of 65.at that time in the what 1930's?the average lifespan for a male was 62 and female was 66.what does SSI stand for?SOCIAL SECURITY and heres the big word,INSURANCE.It was an insurance policy,thats all.As the years go on people are living longer.The average life expectency in up to what 75 now?
Raise the age to 75.Most intellegent people will have a retirment to fall back on anyways.700.00 a month wouldn't cover my full bill.

2)Privatize Social Security,BUT and theres that big but again.LET ME CHOOSE WHO I WANT TO INVEST MY MONEY.At this stage I believe that the government wants to choose who they want to handle the investment.BAD IDEAIf I cant invest it leave it alone.That brings me to another thing.STOP DIPPING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY.Leave the GOD DAMN fund alone.Quite taking from it and not paying it back with interest,or in some cases not paying it back at all.

3)Set up a fund to take care of the permenently disabled,Not some shmuck who cant hold a job,or someone who does drugs.Ya a drugie needs help,NOT SSI!Someone who has a metal condition and cannot work.Someone who is permenetly confined to a wheel chair because of a car accident TAKE CARE OF THEM!!!!If we cleaned house and got ride of all the B.S. people who are collecting SSI,because they are a little off,well sh.it IM A LITTLE OFF and I can hold a JOB.SO can They,they are just to lazy.I knew this sh.it bumb girl who collected SSI.She admited she was taking advantage of the system.anything the easy way.She was a lazy sh.itbumb.I dont know her anymore.

Whats wrong with Privatizing SSI?If I am getting a higher interest rate on my money.No matter what happens I will have more there.If I invest Privatly for 10 years and then am in an auto accident I will have more money then if I didn't invest.After that runs out and I am still unable to find a job,then have a disabled persons program set up.as I stated before,But more times then not we will out live the 65 and retire with no major problems.If I can have more each month without putting in more then why not.

JOHN JOHNSON

Hey PSALover,

I understand your point. I agree most of the, view of point, issues and I overwhelmly agree that there is so many BS receipts are taking advantage of which hurts us so much.

Secondly like I said if Bush realize or reasonable how "stuck" we (true handicap people) are dealing with and decide to leave it alone, help to make things possible for the better, and whatever would benefit us in long run that we can meet the livehood needs. Not to tolerate with so little money. Then I would be for it.

What concern me the most is that (Base on the history) every time there is new regulation that would help handicapped people to enable such opportuinities under Rehabiliation Act of 73 then American Disability Act established in 90's and the majority (ie: Unions organizations, managements, or Supreme Court) have successfully "cook" those law which have proven to weaken our such opportunities. Now there is "new defense" SAFETY being widely used from home to workfloor whether one is consider as safety hazard to self of others-craps. That makes our opportunities more miscrible! So no one can get hurt.... Oh swell! Hey what about those Militaries that are risking their life!?!? What any good do we have to sit home? So no one of us will get hurt? Huh. See the point? Oh well.......

Our opportunities is like "dry pond" while non-handicap people's opportunities is like an ocean. No worries....... You lucky! Da Man!

So suppose if Bush try to help worked disabled people that used to work but forced into disability retirement by help us how to invest part of % which invest toward to SS for retirment for the better benefits. Without an extra finincal crunches. Then I would be glad to support. No gimmicks or tricks please. All I want to ensure that I and other handicapped people would have enough money whenever we become an eligible retiremement age instead of "$700" like you mentioned. No way we could live with $700 when 2030 comes! I agree with you!

Just asking..... "Hey Do not forget us! or do not make us to be left out." That is all I am asking.

The more debates the more clearer pictures........

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psalover

I am on your side.A person who is truley disable NEEDS the help.If this country can drum up 1.? Billions of dollors for the tsunami relief then they should be able to drum up money to help the TRUE handicaped.

N2272V

Maybe you need to take an economics 101 course or something?

I think I have figured out why people like Ron have no clue. The educators of our country are mainly liberal, right? Well they have put together this plot to DUMB down our kids so they turn out like Ron. This way they can continue convincing people that MORE government programs are good, higher taxes are better and Walmart is EVIL. On top all that, you throw in a ponzi scheme called "social security" conjured up by a Congressional vote getting scheme that would make any con man envious, and you have a truly miraculous conversion to stupidity.

I'd love to start a business on the model of SS but then I would get ARRESTED. Lets see, I can tell people that I will give them a pitance of a payment when they retire at age 68 and pay them with the money I collect THEN. IN the meantime, I can spend the money I am getting now on YACHTS, MANSIONS, toys....anything my heart desires because I dont have to INVEST their money in anything, I just make the payers coming up in age pay it.

On top of that, they have successfully convinced putz's like you that this is a GOOD deal. Forget the fact that if it were a REAL retirement program, you'd get 1,000 times what they will end up paying you! You're a REAL genius.

By the way, what is your disabilty? Brain damage? Yeah I know, I am one of them, insensitive RICH Republican bastards. So sue me!

Carry on!

Hapag-Lloyd

But WalMart IS evil.

They don´t carry Swiss KägiFret waffles around here. If that ain´t evil, then I don´t know what is.

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