The Few, The Proud, The Elite

fazeman · 05-06-2007, 09:00 PM

If some of you are tired of fantasy, ready-made and/or watered-down airport threads, I've grown tired of responding to threads from those of whom I will coin "elitist".

This is the small group who believe they carry an air about them without considering the air which exudes from their backside. These are the guys who have a penchant for building the best possible model airports from scratch.

Considering that this is the largest and most time consuming project in the diecast realm, it amazes me as to why they share so little to the complimentary responses they receive. It baffles me when little or no information is given on the ends and outs of their grand airports. Sometimes, tidbits will be exchanged with regard to the materials used, but apart from private messages/email responses, that's about it. If these guys think some of our scratch and ready-made projects are a waste, then their ability to communicate their presentation is a total waste.

One would expect that if fellow enthusiasts came over to veiw their work, there would be praise and an exchanging of ideas about the whole project. The conversations would spill over to that particular airport and the past and present airlines that utilize it. But, if it turns out to be a one-way conversation, I can only feel sorry for their guests. This one-way or no-way I'll talk appears to be the conversational route for the so-called elite.

If they can gather the wherewithal to communicate some historical facts, anecdotes and anything else about their airport (my god, throw us bone), it would make the presentation so much worthwhile. That goes for all of us.

vegaswoods · 05-07-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fazeman

If some of you are tired of fantasy, ready-made and/or watered-down airport threads, I've grown tired of responding to threads from those of whom I will coin "elitist".
This is the small group who believe they carry an air about them without considering the air which exudes from their backside. These are the guys who have a penchant for building the best possible model airports from scratch.
Considering that this is the largest and most time consuming project in the diecast realm, it amazes me as to why they share so little to the complimentary responses they receive. It baffles me when little or no information is given on the ends and outs of their grand airports. Sometimes, tidbits will be exchanged with regard to the materials used, but apart from private messages/email responses, that's about it. If these guys think some of our scratch and ready-made projects are a waste, then their ability to communicate their presentation is a total waste.
One would expect that if fellow enthusiasts came over to veiw their work, there would be praise and an exchanging of ideas about the whole project. The conversations would spill over to that particular airport and the past and present airlines that utilize it. But, if it turns out to be a one-way conversation, I can only feel sorry for their guests. This one-way or no-way I'll talk appears to be the conversational route for the so-called elite.
If they can gather the wherewithal to communicate some historical facts, anecdotes and anything else about their airport (my god, throw us bone), it would make the presentation so much worthwhile. That goes for all of us.

Steve
I second everything you just said.

B-16707 · 05-07-2007, 12:49 PM

call me stupid but im not quite grasping exactly what you're getting at. maybe its because i didnt eat breakfast yet.

leonardo_roman · 05-07-2007, 07:09 PM

Really nice project Nacho, looks great!!!
Felicidades.

jasonsw · 05-08-2007, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kaitanium

call me stupid but im not quite grasping exactly what you're getting at. maybe its because i didnt eat breakfast yet.

me neither kaitanium... i thought i was the only one... i was trying to search if he had any threads he may had concerns with, but i wasn't able to find any... i am lost as much as you are kaitanium. again, we think alike? haha.

dylan · 05-08-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fazeman

If some of you are tired of fantasy, ready-made and/or watered-down airport threads, I've grown tired of responding to threads from those of whom I will coin "elitist".
This is the small group who believe they carry an air about them without considering the air which exudes from their backside. These are the guys who have a penchant for building the best possible model airports from scratch.
Considering that this is the largest and most time consuming project in the diecast realm, it amazes me as to why they share so little to the complimentary responses they receive. It baffles me when little or no information is given on the ends and outs of their grand airports. Sometimes, tidbits will be exchanged with regard to the materials used, but apart from private messages/email responses, that's about it. If these guys think some of our scratch and ready-made projects are a waste, then their ability to communicate their presentation is a total waste.
One would expect that if fellow enthusiasts came over to veiw their work, there would be praise and an exchanging of ideas about the whole project. The conversations would spill over to that particular airport and the past and present airlines that utilize it. But, if it turns out to be a one-way conversation, I can only feel sorry for their guests. This one-way or no-way I'll talk appears to be the conversational route for the so-called elite.
If they can gather the wherewithal to communicate some historical facts, anecdotes and anything else about their airport (my god, throw us bone), it would make the presentation so much worthwhile. That goes for all of us.

Steve, can you dumb this down for me a little please. I'm a little slow. And like most of the others, I'm failing to see the point you are trying to convey.

B-16707 · 05-08-2007, 05:24 PM

whew guess im not the only one.

FIRST JET · 05-13-2007, 11:37 AM

I third in that

NewYinzer · 05-13-2007, 06:56 PM

I fourth that. I can't quite tell what he has a problem with...

RSW64 · 05-13-2007, 07:52 PM

To put things in simple perspective...WHO CARES..I thought this was a HOBBY we are ALL supposed to enjoy, we all need our little "outlets" from the real world...isnt that what a hobby is????????

Carlos Perea · 05-13-2007, 08:27 PM

I think this was meant to be an extremely ambiguously-worded salute to those of us who design our own terminal buildings and bases.

I have a HerPort with Herpa terminal buildings and a PiXelPort base, and I don't mind. Of course, some terminal renovations may be in order soon...

cathay747 · 05-14-2007, 03:23 PM

I don't get this either. If someone is going to start YET ANOTHER bi$ch-session-thread here on DAC (like we need another one of THOSE?!), could we at least be CLEAR and TO THE POINT? Jeesh. I PRESUME you're complaining that people who build these fabulous looking airports don't conduct training classes along with their posted pictures??? If that's it, well....in my experience, training classes usually cost money! Now, I find it hard to believe that the average person would not reply to a polite "how to" question, but it sounds like you're asking for a training class in a forum post. Get real. And I'm not "elitist", I'm just using common sense.

B-16707 · 05-14-2007, 03:26 PM

guess he doesnt want to elaborate on his thread?
fazeman, youre active here recently so why not make it clearer your point for all of us?

fazeman · 05-15-2007, 12:38 AM

Feser Airways Rep: Nurse, is he ok to see?

Nurse: Yes. He's in room 210.

Rep: fazeman, how are you doing? What happened up there?

fazeman: I don't know.

Rep: Before ground impact, the black box had you muttering something about the few, the proud, the elite. You're taking some flak for this. Do your recall anything?

fazeman: I remember, we were flying along and hit something in the air.

Rep: Ok. Under the circumstances we'll play down this gibberish in the press release.

fazeman: Whether some of it made sense or not, it will come to pass.

LOT 737-300 · 05-15-2007, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cathay747

I don't get this either. If someone is going to start YET ANOTHER bi$ch-session-thread here on DAC (like we need another one of THOSE?!), could we at least be CLEAR and TO THE POINT? Jeesh. I PRESUME you're complaining that people who build these fabulous looking airports don't conduct training classes along with their posted pictures??? If that's it, well....in my experience, training classes usually cost money! Now, I find it hard to believe that the average person would not reply to a polite "how to" question, but it sounds like you're asking for a training class in a forum post. Get real. And I'm not "elitist", I'm just using common sense.

Well, I don't think hes complaining about people who don't post how they did everything in their airports, but rather how when someone asks how something was done, 80% of the time that question will go unanswered. Now I'm still trying to make sense of this post since it was first posted.

B-16707 · 05-15-2007, 02:56 PM

i too.
hey fazeman, how about giving us a better explanation than that dialogue you got there. apparently you want the community to know something and not explaning it might just lead to a build up of tension within yourself no?

relieve yourself and relieve us too. shouldnt be that hard yah?

fazeman · 05-16-2007, 12:23 AM

In thread #1, my first sentence did not make sentence sense. It was vague, grammatically incorrect and it failed to properly convey my ideas. As a result, everything else suffered. So, I will try again.

I enjoy viewing and reading the posts on this forum.

This includes "in the works" airport projects, fantasy projects, ready-made projects and scratch projects. Accordingly, I have responded to a number of these threads with praise, questions, historical suggestions and friendly jokes. But, over the past couple of years, I have noticed the lack of a quality presentation to go along with many of these projects (my old ready-made included).

Along with pictures of the final project, a good presentation would start with one's personal interest in their airport. This would be followed by historical notes on the real terminal, the airlines that call and/or called it and any anecdotes that may follow; something to kick the reader in the arse. Without any kind of presentation, it would be like setting our project on the teacher's desk and giving the class a blank stare; just student utterances of how we made it and how beautiful it looks.

With reference to the attitudes of some seasoned scratch builders, I've grown indifferent to their presentations. And for the ones who sell their scratch airports, guess what? They sold out to the other side. They might as well mass produce their airport like Herpa's Frankfurt Main based terminal buildings.

I figure that if we're enthusiasts, let's be enthusiastic about raising the bar with our projects; beginners and seasoned veterans alike.

B-16707 · 05-16-2007, 01:40 AM

ah i see, now wasnt that easy?

as for people like me with airports that dont have history or are based after any reallife airport, i did it just to stretch my imagination and handiwork to see what i could come up with. i personally rather come up with something of my own than be limited to what the world has right now. im downright proud of my airport even if its purely fantasy.

fazeman · 05-16-2007, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kaitanium

ah i see, now wasnt that easy?

as for people like me with airports that dont have history or are based after any reallife airport, i did it just to stretch my imagination and handiwork to see what i could come up with. i personally rather come up with something of my own than be limited to what the world has right now. im downright proud of my airport even if its purely fantasy.

You pulled out all the stops with your airport design. The Evergreen hangar and activity, terminal flags, night activity and of course, the earth friendly terminal roofs are the best. It has been a work in progress that I have thoroughly enjoyed following. I saved a number of your pics. Thanks.

B-16707 · 05-16-2007, 02:59 AM

oh wait, i forgot about my evergreen hangar...hah that has its own history i guess but yea everything else is fantasy. hehe im glad you enjoyed it all!

still more to come no doubt heheheh >=D. i just got my own soldering iron in today so its only gonna go crazier with lights now...if i ever find the time.

D-AIHC · 05-17-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fazeman

So, I will try again.

Thanks, Steve! I had kept quiet because I wanted to give you the opportunity to eloborate yourself instead of joining the chorus and expressing how confusing your initial post was.

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Originally Posted by fazeman

I enjoy viewing and reading the posts on this forum.

I enjoy viewing them too!

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Originally Posted by fazeman

Without any kind of presentation, it would be like setting our project on the teacher's desk and giving the class a blank stare; just student utterances of how we made it and how beautiful it looks.

You have a good point there and I share your views. I'd like to point out one exception though - STEVEJ over at the 1:400 forum. Whether it's LGA or LAX or any other diorama he built, he always has an introduction and explains why certain models were used in his pics.

B-16707 · 05-17-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by D-AIHC

Thanks, Steve! I had kept quiet because I wanted to give you the opportunity to eloborate yourself instead of joining the chorus and expressing how confusing your initial post was.

well, arent you better than the rest of us now!

D-AIHC · 05-17-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kaitanium

well, arent you better than the rest of us now!

Well, I didn't say that but you are free to think so.

fazeman · 05-18-2007, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by D-AIHC

05-07-2007, 12:49 PM	#3
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,856	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite call me stupid but im not quite grasping exactly what you're getting at. maybe its because i didnt eat breakfast yet. __________________

05-07-2007, 07:09 PM	#4
leonardo_roman Collector Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mexicali B.C. Mexico Age: 27 Posts: 88	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite Really nice project Nacho, looks great!!! Felicidades.

05-08-2007, 05:24 PM	#7
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,856	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite whew guess im not the only one. __________________

05-13-2007, 11:37 AM	#8
FIRST JET Ah the good ol days Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 364	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite I third in that __________________ The NorthGuard Project: Currently in Pre-production Scheduled for release: April of 2009 I need more space!

05-13-2007, 06:56 PM	#9
NewYinzer Junior Collector Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere Posts: 44	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite I fourth that. I can't quite tell what he has a problem with...

05-06-2007, 09:00 PM	#1
fazeman Setting The Pace Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 2,043	The Few, The Proud, The Elite If some of you are tired of fantasy, ready-made and/or watered-down airport threads, I've grown tired of responding to threads from those of whom I will coin "elitist". This is the small group who believe they carry an air about them without considering the air which exudes from their backside. These are the guys who have a penchant for building the best possible model airports from scratch. Considering that this is the largest and most time consuming project in the diecast realm, it amazes me as to why they share so little to the complimentary responses they receive. It baffles me when little or no information is given on the ends and outs of their grand airports. Sometimes, tidbits will be exchanged with regard to the materials used, but apart from private messages/email responses, that's about it. If these guys think some of our scratch and ready-made projects are a waste, then their ability to communicate their presentation is a total waste. One would expect that if fellow enthusiasts came over to veiw their work, there would be praise and an exchanging of ideas about the whole project. The conversations would spill over to that particular airport and the past and present airlines that utilize it. But, if it turns out to be a one-way conversation, I can only feel sorry for their guests. This one-way or no-way I'll talk appears to be the conversational route for the so-called elite. If they can gather the wherewithal to communicate some historical facts, anecdotes and anything else about their airport (my god, throw us bone), it would make the presentation so much worthwhile. That goes for all of us. __________________ Steve

05-13-2007, 07:52 PM	#10
RSW64 Collector Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fort Myers, FL Age: 44 Posts: 59	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite To put things in simple perspective...WHO CARES..I thought this was a HOBBY we are ALL supposed to enjoy, we all need our little "outlets" from the real world...isnt that what a hobby is????????

05-13-2007, 08:27 PM	#11
Carlos Perea Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 904	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite I think this was meant to be an extremely ambiguously-worded salute to those of us who design our own terminal buildings and bases. I have a HerPort with Herpa terminal buildings and a PiXelPort base, and I don't mind. Of course, some terminal renovations may be in order soon...

05-14-2007, 03:23 PM	#12
cathay747 Try a Little VC-10derness Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 299	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite I don't get this either. If someone is going to start YET ANOTHER bi$ch-session-thread here on DAC (like we need another one of THOSE?!), could we at least be CLEAR and TO THE POINT? Jeesh. I PRESUME you're complaining that people who build these fabulous looking airports don't conduct training classes along with their posted pictures??? If that's it, well....in my experience, training classes usually cost money! Now, I find it hard to believe that the average person would not reply to a polite "how to" question, but it sounds like you're asking for a training class in a forum post. Get real. And I'm not "elitist", I'm just using common sense. __________________ Will someone PLEASE make a North Central CV440 (1966 livery) AND CV580 (early 70's livery), preferably in 1/200 (but I'd take 1/400!), and a PAA DC-8-33 in 1/400 ?!!! IS THAT SO MUCH TO ASK????

05-14-2007, 03:26 PM	#13
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,856	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite guess he doesnt want to elaborate on his thread? fazeman, youre active here recently so why not make it clearer your point for all of us? __________________

05-15-2007, 12:38 AM	#14
fazeman Setting The Pace Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 2,043	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite Feser Airways Rep: Nurse, is he ok to see? Nurse: Yes. He's in room 210. Rep: fazeman, how are you doing? What happened up there? fazeman: I don't know. Rep: Before ground impact, the black box had you muttering something about the few, the proud, the elite. You're taking some flak for this. Do your recall anything? fazeman: I remember, we were flying along and hit something in the air. Rep: Ok. Under the circumstances we'll play down this gibberish in the press release. fazeman: Whether some of it made sense or not, it will come to pass. __________________ Steve Last edited by fazeman; 06-11-2007 at 11:31 PM.

05-15-2007, 02:56 PM	#16
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,856	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite i too. hey fazeman, how about giving us a better explanation than that dialogue you got there. apparently you want the community to know something and not explaning it might just lead to a build up of tension within yourself no? relieve yourself and relieve us too. shouldnt be that hard yah? __________________

05-16-2007, 12:23 AM	#17
fazeman Setting The Pace Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 2,043	Press Release: Raising The Bar In thread #1, my first sentence did not make sentence sense. It was vague, grammatically incorrect and it failed to properly convey my ideas. As a result, everything else suffered. So, I will try again. I enjoy viewing and reading the posts on this forum. This includes "in the works" airport projects, fantasy projects, ready-made projects and scratch projects. Accordingly, I have responded to a number of these threads with praise, questions, historical suggestions and friendly jokes. But, over the past couple of years, I have noticed the lack of a quality presentation to go along with many of these projects (my old ready-made included). Along with pictures of the final project, a good presentation would start with one's personal interest in their airport. This would be followed by historical notes on the real terminal, the airlines that call and/or called it and any anecdotes that may follow; something to kick the reader in the arse. Without any kind of presentation, it would be like setting our project on the teacher's desk and giving the class a blank stare; just student utterances of how we made it and how beautiful it looks. With reference to the attitudes of some seasoned scratch builders, I've grown indifferent to their presentations. And for the ones who sell their scratch airports, guess what? They sold out to the other side. They might as well mass produce their airport like Herpa's Frankfurt Main based terminal buildings. I figure that if we're enthusiasts, let's be enthusiastic about raising the bar with our projects; beginners and seasoned veterans alike. __________________ Steve

05-16-2007, 01:40 AM	#18
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,856	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite ah i see, now wasnt that easy? as for people like me with airports that dont have history or are based after any reallife airport, i did it just to stretch my imagination and handiwork to see what i could come up with. i personally rather come up with something of my own than be limited to what the world has right now. im downright proud of my airport even if its purely fantasy. __________________

05-16-2007, 02:59 AM	#20
B-16707 i need more space Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,856	Re: The Few, The Proud, The Elite oh wait, i forgot about my evergreen hangar...hah that has its own history i guess but yea everything else is fantasy. hehe im glad you enjoyed it all! still more to come no doubt heheheh >=D. i just got my own soldering iron in today so its only gonna go crazier with lights now...if i ever find the time. __________________