Am I insane???

wingandaprayer · 04-26-2006, 01:48 PM

Yo, what up ya'll!

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I am in the planning stages of my "dream" airport and I think am going a tad overboard. Apparently, most people who make model airports only make a small section of the airport like some tarmac, a few gates and such. I am planning on building a massive 30 foot by 30 foot, complete airport with 4 runways, a main terminal plus 3 satellite concourses, an air cargo terminal and maintenance hangers. This is truly my “perfect” airport design that the entire world will love and airport planners will be knocking my door down for the right to build my airport. Um, right. Anyways, this is obviously my own custom design, not based on any airport. >>
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Unfortunately, I have to forego my summer Vegas trip to pay for this project which will be portable because I’m building 144 2 and a half foot sections that will all snap together like a giant puzzle. It will be a 1:500 scale model complete with working runway lights, working terminal lights because I am going to build custom build everything, no kits for me. You will need binoculars to view all of the details of my model because you will have to stay on the outside of the model. Wow, am I insane or what.

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I will start building the main terminal next month and will post pictures along the way and will post them.

FWA2500 · 04-26-2006, 02:56 PM

what kind of layout will you have your 4 rwys? depending how you set it up, you could still have close in access.....

anyway, good luck!

wingandaprayer · 04-26-2006, 04:42 PM

my plans got bigger. Muhahahahaha! The runway layout was a big iffy but i think i have decided on a quad parallel, all four runways running north to south. it would be simliar to DFW's terminal side runways with the exception that each set of runways would be 4300 feet apart for unrestricted use. this of course has affected the over all size of my project.

in real life, my airport would be roughly 15.5 square miles, 9972 acres, would have 114 gates plus 79 commuter gates and would have the capcity of a minimum of 4500 daily aircraft movements, handle 400k passengers daily and 170 million per year. Hum, those numbers seem kinda crazy. Muhahahahaha! does any city really need an airport that big? Well, you could dump all three New York area airports and build mine and still have capacity left over. Dreaming away now.

dylan · 04-26-2006, 05:22 PM

Great, another "planner"

Welcome to the forum.

Piece of advice: Just build the damn thing, and post pictures.

Nobody here cares about plans. Posts like these are a dime a dozen. There are just way too many kids coming on here posting about their "Super-Mega-400 gate" Crap-port. And I have yet to see any of them see the light of day.

Pictures and pictures only.

miuccini · 04-26-2006, 05:38 PM

Agree with Dylan.

Sounds like another one of those plans... Keep dreaming.

LOT 737-300 · 04-26-2006, 06:55 PM

Just out of interest, where are you going to put this thing? Really, 30ftx30ft. I don't even think that most garages get that big. Anyways, I might want to go with miuccini and dylan on this one. I don't know why you want to build a 114 gate monstrosity as a first airport, let alone the fact that most of the "great" model airports that near that size don't even have near 70. You are much better starting out small (like 36inx48in), and growing from that.

miuccini · 04-26-2006, 08:15 PM

I don't exactly understand why someone would make an airport out of 144 2 x 2ft pieces without it sagging due to lack of support from underneath. Maybe unless you have a 30 x 30ft table or its laying on the floor... (which would be ridiculous because you would have to be bending over all the time.)

Charlie · 04-27-2006, 02:56 AM

Although I do believe that 30x30ft is not worth the effort, only around 200 gates?? I am planning to build an airport 2.7x1.8metres and I have capacity for 112 gates. Also, why don't you consider doing Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson?
But if I was you, there is no way I would consider building that. All the buildings would take you at least a year. And unless you are as good at airport building as Miuccini the buildings might not look that good.

waiping · 04-27-2006, 04:22 AM

I thought doing a complete runway is a complete waste of time. You can only have 1 airplane on it at any one time.

Anyway, just my thought.

wingandaprayer · 04-27-2006, 01:06 PM

I agree with all of you on the part that an idea on paper is just that. The proof is in the actual model that will blow your socks off. And yes, this project will take a while to build, although this is my hobby, due to my work schedule, I can put in a lot more time than the average hobbyist. That is the entire point of a hobby, which is to occupy your spare time. If I could build it in a week, it wouldn't be any fun.

As far as the size goes, I'm pretty sure that few if any "model airports" have been complete airports. While some may feel satisfied building a portion of a terminal with a few store bought gates, I will not feel satisfied unless I build an entire airport with eye-catching detail. I am planning on using much aluminum cans for the main terminal structure. This will prove lightweight as well as aesthetically pleasing. As far as how the model will be displayed, that is still up in the air. Obviously, it would be easier to view elevated about 3 to four feet off the ground rather than on the floor. I am planning on leaving the grassy areas out, so you would be able to walk in and get closer to the terminal. This thing is going to resemble a giant "W".

Is there really a need to do this? Probably not. But is there a need for a 500 pound taco? Probably not. It's all about passion folks. It’s taking a small idea and making it better.

That design to the left was one of my first ideas, but is not the one that i'm planning on building. muhahahaha!

LOT 737-300 · 04-27-2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie

Although I do believe that 30x30ft is not worth the effort, only around 200 gates?? I am planning to build an airport 2.7x1.8metres and I have capacity for 112 gates. Also, why don't you consider doing Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson?
But if I was you, there is no way I would consider building that. All the buildings would take you at least a year. And unless you are as good at airport building as Miuccini the buildings might not look that good.

ATL is real Big, if you can fit it in a regular house, or if your lucky, a nice big warehouse, then by all means go ahead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingandaprayer

agree with all of you on the part that an idea on paper is just that. The proof is in the actual model that will blow your socks off. And yes, this project will take a while to build, although this is my hobby, due to my work schedule, I can put in a lot more time than the average hobbyist. That is the entire point of a hobby, which is to occupy your spare time. If I could build it in a week, it wouldn't be any fun.

As far as the size goes, I'm pretty sure that few if any "model airports" have been complete airports. While some may feel satisfied building a portion of a terminal with a few store bought gates, I will not feel satisfied unless I build an entire airport with eye-catching detail. I am planning on using much aluminum cans for the main terminal structure. This will prove lightweight as well as aesthetically pleasing. As far as how the model will be displayed, that is still up in the air. Obviously, it would be easier to view elevated about 3 to four feet off the ground rather than on the floor. I am planning on leaving the grassy areas out, so you would be able to walk in and get closer to the terminal. This thing is going to resemble a giant "W".

Is there really a need to do this? Probably not. But is there a need for a 500 pound taco? Probably not. It's all about passion folks. It?s taking a small idea and making it better.

That design to the left was one of my first ideas, but is not the one that i'm planning on building. muhahahaha!

No offense. But unless you already started this thing (and have photographic proof) I can't take you seriously. Another question, what are your previous works? Unless you have some prior experience building these things (which if you do, I'd like to see some photographic proof), if you try to pull off something like this, your going to be VERY disappointed. Why not take my advice and start small, post pics of that, get advice and other comments, and grow from that. Anyways, how are you going to get it to be elevated? Go "Abbra Kadabra" and make it magically float? Unless your putting it on one or seven tables, your only option might be the floor (unless your make the base into a table. Just start small and grow from that, you'll be happy you did, trust me.

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Originally Posted by waipeg

I thought doing a complete runway is a complete waste of time. You can only have 1 airplane on it at any one time.

Anyway, just my thought.

I can't say for where you live, but you can have one plane go into Taxi into Postion and Hold, and another plane could be further down the runway "taking off."

wingandaprayer · 04-28-2006, 02:41 PM

my plans are more about realism. Yes, I am spending a lot more time on the planning stages mainly because I want this airport to be as realistic as possible. I am drawing up terminal layouts, tarmac layouts, runway and taxi way layouts, baggage transport diagrams and so much more. As if I were actually gonna build this puppy, I will have layouts up the wazoo.

I am doing a "proof of concept" exercise right now for my gate layout. I have printed out wingspans for 20 of the most common aircraft both large and commuter seen in US airports and testing them in a mock up of my gate configuration. It is my design that between each jet bridge, there will be a commuter loading area. So, if you have a 757-200 at one gate and a 767-300 at the next, then you can squeeze a CRJ-700 in between and still have plenty of room for ground equipment. Now yes, these gate areas are much larger than a standard layout, but with this layout, there would be no need for a separate commuter concourse.

While it is true that I have done something like this before, I have the time and passion to dedicate my spare time to something fun and interesting. Of course having long been an aviation fan and having visited nearly 100 us airports in person and many more using google earth, I would say I have an upper hand in what seems to work and what doesn't work in airport design. Anyhoo, my project will be destined to be shown in a museum or convention space. That is why I am designing it to be taken apart.

miuccini · 04-28-2006, 02:53 PM

Sounds like a monotone airport. Not very realistic if you ask me.

wingandaprayer · 04-28-2006, 04:20 PM

Well, time will tell.

LOT 737-300 · 04-28-2006, 05:14 PM

Well then. If your REALLY going ahead with this, I would really like to see all of the progress. Show us the first section when your done.

Louis · 06-01-2006, 10:06 AM

almost a month + any pics can show us?

Carlos Perea · 06-01-2006, 06:21 PM

Right now, I'm in agreement with Dylan. It sounds like it could be a great airport... if it ever gets built.

USAirways85 · 06-01-2006, 07:06 PM

yet another planner.

Yea your plan might be great, but factor in time, costs of material, and most of all the cost for all the models you will need to make your airport look realistic(assuming you don't have many models to begin with, which i take is the case).

Lets just say you have 100 gates plus taxiways and at least one runway, maintance center, and a cargo facility. You will likely need around 100 models to make that airport look like a fully functioning airport. Let's say the average 1/500 model is $12. Just to make your airport look functioning you will need to fork out $1200 on models alone.

Carlos Perea · 06-01-2006, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingandaprayer

I will start building the main terminal next month and will post pictures along the way and will post them.

It's already been a little more than a month and no word from this guy. Something tells me a little more than a wing and a prayer will be needed to construct something like this.

n777co · 06-02-2006, 09:19 AM

all i can say is good luck hope you finish soon.

LOT 737-300 · 06-02-2006, 09:36 PM

You know, I don't care that if the stage that it is now is a wooden board with a bunch of pencil marks on it, I would like to see a photo any progress that has happened in the last month, if anything has happened.

pilotbonsai · 06-03-2006, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOT 737-300

You know, I don't care that if the stage that it is now is a wooden board with a bunch of pencil marks on it, I would like to see a photo any progress that has happened in the last month, if anything has happened.

Yea; wingandaprayer needs to prove his commitment.

Louis · 06-03-2006, 09:20 AM

no need to take it seriously. Just think it is another plan

Jetsetter · 06-04-2006, 07:41 AM

Do you guys really think he is serious? Look, even douchebag model airport planners aren't stupid enough to make plans like that. I think we're all being wound-up here so someone else can get a laugh.

brussels · 06-05-2006, 03:49 PM

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04-26-2006, 01:48 PM	#1
wingandaprayer Junior Collector Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5	Am I insane??? Yo, what up ya'll! >> I am in the planning stages of my "dream" airport and I think am going a tad overboard. Apparently, most people who make model airports only make a small section of the airport like some tarmac, a few gates and such. I am planning on building a massive 30 foot by 30 foot, complete airport with 4 runways, a main terminal plus 3 satellite concourses, an air cargo terminal and maintenance hangers. This is truly my “perfect” airport design that the entire world will love and airport planners will be knocking my door down for the right to build my airport. Um, right. Anyways, this is obviously my own custom design, not based on any airport. >> >> Unfortunately, I have to forego my summer Vegas trip to pay for this project which will be portable because I’m building 144 2 and a half foot sections that will all snap together like a giant puzzle. It will be a 1:500 scale model complete with working runway lights, working terminal lights because I am going to build custom build everything, no kits for me. You will need binoculars to view all of the details of my model because you will have to stay on the outside of the model. Wow, am I insane or what. >> I will start building the main terminal next month and will post pictures along the way and will post them.

04-26-2006, 02:56 PM	#2
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04-26-2006, 04:42 PM	#3
wingandaprayer Junior Collector Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5	heehee my plans got bigger. Muhahahahaha! The runway layout was a big iffy but i think i have decided on a quad parallel, all four runways running north to south. it would be simliar to DFW's terminal side runways with the exception that each set of runways would be 4300 feet apart for unrestricted use. this of course has affected the over all size of my project. in real life, my airport would be roughly 15.5 square miles, 9972 acres, would have 114 gates plus 79 commuter gates and would have the capcity of a minimum of 4500 daily aircraft movements, handle 400k passengers daily and 170 million per year. Hum, those numbers seem kinda crazy. Muhahahahaha! does any city really need an airport that big? Well, you could dump all three New York area airports and build mine and still have capacity left over. Dreaming away now.

04-26-2006, 05:22 PM	#4
dylan Village Drunkard Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert... Age: 31 Posts: 1,940	Great, another "planner" Welcome to the forum. Piece of advice: Just build the damn thing, and post pictures. Nobody here cares about plans. Posts like these are a dime a dozen. There are just way too many kids coming on here posting about their "Super-Mega-400 gate" Crap-port. And I have yet to see any of them see the light of day. Pictures and pictures only. __________________ mmmmm, beer. Last edited by dylan; 04-26-2006 at 05:29 PM.

04-26-2006, 06:55 PM	#6
LOT 737-300 ЛЭТ Су-37 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somewhere near MCO. Age: 20 Posts: 1,228	Just out of interest, where are you going to put this thing? Really, 30ftx30ft. I don't even think that most garages get that big. Anyways, I might want to go with miuccini and dylan on this one. I don't know why you want to build a 114 gate monstrosity as a first airport, let alone the fact that most of the "great" model airports that near that size don't even have near 70. You are much better starting out small (like 36inx48in), and growing from that. __________________ My airport: Nowa Warszawa Int'l NWL http://www.freewebs.com/nwlairport PM me if you want Fantasy Flights. If you are interested in Joining BSA, please drop by our forum and make a post. http://s14.invisionfree.com/Bluesphe...ex.php?act=idx

04-26-2006, 05:38 PM	#5
miuccini Junior Collector Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 19 Posts: 37	Agree with Dylan. Sounds like another one of those plans... Keep dreaming.

04-26-2006, 08:15 PM	#7
miuccini Junior Collector Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 19 Posts: 37	I don't exactly understand why someone would make an airport out of 144 2 x 2ft pieces without it sagging due to lack of support from underneath. Maybe unless you have a 30 x 30ft table or its laying on the floor... (which would be ridiculous because you would have to be bending over all the time.)

04-27-2006, 02:56 AM	#8
Charlie Junior Collector Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne Posts: 20	Although I do believe that 30x30ft is not worth the effort, only around 200 gates?? I am planning to build an airport 2.7x1.8metres and I have capacity for 112 gates. Also, why don't you consider doing Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson? But if I was you, there is no way I would consider building that. All the buildings would take you at least a year. And unless you are as good at airport building as Miuccini the buildings might not look that good.

04-27-2006, 04:22 AM	#9
waiping Unlicensed Collector Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,362	I thought doing a complete runway is a complete waste of time. You can only have 1 airplane on it at any one time. Anyway, just my thought.

04-27-2006, 01:06 PM	#10
wingandaprayer Junior Collector Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5	Passion plays a roll I agree with all of you on the part that an idea on paper is just that. The proof is in the actual model that will blow your socks off. And yes, this project will take a while to build, although this is my hobby, due to my work schedule, I can put in a lot more time than the average hobbyist. That is the entire point of a hobby, which is to occupy your spare time. If I could build it in a week, it wouldn't be any fun. As far as the size goes, I'm pretty sure that few if any "model airports" have been complete airports. While some may feel satisfied building a portion of a terminal with a few store bought gates, I will not feel satisfied unless I build an entire airport with eye-catching detail. I am planning on using much aluminum cans for the main terminal structure. This will prove lightweight as well as aesthetically pleasing. As far as how the model will be displayed, that is still up in the air. Obviously, it would be easier to view elevated about 3 to four feet off the ground rather than on the floor. I am planning on leaving the grassy areas out, so you would be able to walk in and get closer to the terminal. This thing is going to resemble a giant "W". Is there really a need to do this? Probably not. But is there a need for a 500 pound taco? Probably not. It's all about passion folks. It’s taking a small idea and making it better. That design to the left was one of my first ideas, but is not the one that i'm planning on building. muhahahaha! Last edited by wingandaprayer; 04-27-2006 at 01:29 PM.

04-28-2006, 02:41 PM	#12
wingandaprayer Junior Collector Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5	to be honest... my plans are more about realism. Yes, I am spending a lot more time on the planning stages mainly because I want this airport to be as realistic as possible. I am drawing up terminal layouts, tarmac layouts, runway and taxi way layouts, baggage transport diagrams and so much more. As if I were actually gonna build this puppy, I will have layouts up the wazoo. I am doing a "proof of concept" exercise right now for my gate layout. I have printed out wingspans for 20 of the most common aircraft both large and commuter seen in US airports and testing them in a mock up of my gate configuration. It is my design that between each jet bridge, there will be a commuter loading area. So, if you have a 757-200 at one gate and a 767-300 at the next, then you can squeeze a CRJ-700 in between and still have plenty of room for ground equipment. Now yes, these gate areas are much larger than a standard layout, but with this layout, there would be no need for a separate commuter concourse. While it is true that I have done something like this before, I have the time and passion to dedicate my spare time to something fun and interesting. Of course having long been an aviation fan and having visited nearly 100 us airports in person and many more using google earth, I would say I have an upper hand in what seems to work and what doesn't work in airport design. Anyhoo, my project will be destined to be shown in a museum or convention space. That is why I am designing it to be taken apart.

04-28-2006, 02:53 PM	#13
miuccini Junior Collector Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 19 Posts: 37	Sounds like a monotone airport. Not very realistic if you ask me.

04-28-2006, 04:20 PM	#14
wingandaprayer Junior Collector Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5	knee deep in the hoopla Well, time will tell.

04-28-2006, 05:14 PM	#15
LOT 737-300 ЛЭТ Су-37 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somewhere near MCO. Age: 20 Posts: 1,228	Well then. If your REALLY going ahead with this, I would really like to see all of the progress. Show us the first section when your done. __________________ My airport: Nowa Warszawa Int'l NWL http://www.freewebs.com/nwlairport PM me if you want Fantasy Flights. If you are interested in Joining BSA, please drop by our forum and make a post. http://s14.invisionfree.com/Bluesphe...ex.php?act=idx

06-01-2006, 10:06 AM	#16
Louis Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Hong Kong, Hong Kong Posts: 767	almost a month + any pics can show us? __________________ Visit my homepage at www.angelfire.com/empire/an887/

06-02-2006, 09:19 AM	#20
n777co It's Time To Fly Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hoffman Est. Age: 17 Posts: 56	all i can say is good luck hope you finish soon. __________________ united, contenental airlines all the way. Boeing 777 Best aircraft in the world. 787 Aircraft of the future. Never Forget 9/11, 2001

06-01-2006, 06:21 PM	#17
Carlos Perea Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 831	Right now, I'm in agreement with Dylan. It sounds like it could be a great airport... if it ever gets built.

06-01-2006, 07:06 PM	#18
USAirways85 Master Collector Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 643	yet another planner. Yea your plan might be great, but factor in time, costs of material, and most of all the cost for all the models you will need to make your airport look realistic(assuming you don't have many models to begin with, which i take is the case). Lets just say you have 100 gates plus taxiways and at least one runway, maintance center, and a cargo facility. You will likely need around 100 models to make that airport look like a fully functioning airport. Let's say the average 1/500 model is $12. Just to make your airport look functioning you will need to fork out $1200 on models alone.

06-02-2006, 09:36 PM	#21
LOT 737-300 ЛЭТ Су-37 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somewhere near MCO. Age: 20 Posts: 1,228	You know, I don't care that if the stage that it is now is a wooden board with a bunch of pencil marks on it, I would like to see a photo any progress that has happened in the last month, if anything has happened. __________________ My airport: Nowa Warszawa Int'l NWL http://www.freewebs.com/nwlairport PM me if you want Fantasy Flights. If you are interested in Joining BSA, please drop by our forum and make a post. http://s14.invisionfree.com/Bluesphe...ex.php?act=idx

06-03-2006, 09:20 AM	#23
Louis Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Hong Kong, Hong Kong Posts: 767	no need to take it seriously. Just think it is another plan __________________ Visit my homepage at www.angelfire.com/empire/an887/

06-04-2006, 07:41 AM	#24
Jetsetter Collector Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 124	Do you guys really think he is serious? Look, even douchebag model airport planners aren't stupid enough to make plans like that. I think we're all being wound-up here so someone else can get a laugh.

06-05-2006, 03:49 PM	#25
brussels Junior Collector Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1	[Ezekiel 25:17 among others] The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the