Metz, why are you selling KBDL?

TL925 · 12-11-2002, 01:18 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=746094944 I was wondering why you were parting ways w/ your diorama. It looks great.

Defence Sec. Rumsfeld · 12-11-2002, 04:43 AM

Forgive me, but might I ask whether the ground plates on this model are for display only? You get better ones with the actual model don't you?

There are no (or limited) airside markings, the roadways are wider than the runway should be..... What gives?

12-11-2002, 07:28 AM

I just think it was a boring airport to model. No exciting liverys such as the Concorde, etc.

Defence Sec. Rumsfeld, I designed the airport to the best of my ability, by even driving up there and taking photos of the tarmac (The cop's weren't crazy about that

). I got the dimensions for the runway from Bradley's website, and it is accurate size for 1/400 scale.

Mingjim · 12-11-2002, 07:47 AM

$600 "buy now" ($300 reserve not yet met). I am not Trevor when it comes to building terminals, but you are asking WAY TOO MUCH for this terminal. I feel sorry for whoever ends up spending that much money for it when they can buy the materials for $100 - $150.

12-11-2002, 11:59 AM

I may be wrong but I believe Trevor built the terminals for this airport - or some of them. Metz, you did the ground yourself, right?!?!?

tdh8192 · 12-11-2002, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mingjim
$600 "buy now" ($300 reserve not yet met). I am not Trevor when it comes to building terminals, but you are asking WAY TOO MUCH for this terminal. I feel sorry for whoever ends up spending that much money for it when they can buy the materials for $100 - $150.

Did you even read the description? Here, I'll repost it for you:

Quote:

You are bidding on a 1/400 (however works well with 1/500 aircraft replicas too) scale Replica of an Airport designed after Bradley International Airport (KBDL). This auction includes just about everything shown in the photos below, custom-made terminals (much more realistic with more detail than the Herpa buildings, with detailed jetways), tarmac (with accurate FAA markings), runways, taxiways (complete with scaled lights and signs), landside parking lots, etc. Even included is a 1/400 scale model of an on-site sheraton airport hotel. Aircraft models + GSE NOT included. This is a perfect model airport for the true enthusiast. The entire layout is 4x8 feet. Some assembly will be required, as I cannot ship this assembled. Shipping will be via Airborne Express Ground Delivery. Prefer PayPal or Money Order. Happy Bidding!

So when you say "WAY TOO MUCH" it shows me that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. $600 for a decent 4'x8' 1/400 diorama is a good price if you don't have the time or inclination to build one yourself.

Mingjim · 12-11-2002, 12:14 PM

Hey genius why don't you look at my prior airports/dioramas (you can even see them if you go to eztoyz) before you open your ignorant mouth and say that I don't know what the hell I am saying. Take a look at my work which includes planes/dioramas (including one airport with fiber optics).

I know he sells his stuff and he appears to be a nice guy, but the fact is that the planes he tries to sell I would not have the nerve to charge $5 for and if you take a look at this tarmac/runway it looks of poor quality at best. I create my own tarmacs, dioramas, planes, lightning effects so when you say I don't know what I am talking about....I say to you to do your research before you look as stupid as you do by making uneducated coments.

Do the research then open your ignorant mouth.

Mingjim · 12-11-2002, 12:35 PM

I am not saying that this airport is a piece ofs#$@. It is an OK airport, but with what I know regaring the cost of materials

8' by 4' board $15
can of gray paint $5
can of blck paint $5
pencils/rulers $5
plastics $100-125

and so on...

I feel that this is way too much to pay for it. I consider my airports OK; not great. I just think that people are better served by taking their time like I did even if it means having to spend 3 months finishing it.

Vikings770 · 12-11-2002, 01:46 PM

Ouch!

mikeytex · 12-11-2002, 02:11 PM

Is it safe to say that if a person really wants it, they will pay any price? And, if the seller really wants to let it go, he'll accept an offer? Materials are one thing, but labor is another.........

My worthless 2 cents on the thread.

12-11-2002, 03:45 PM

Wow. What a wonderful example of everyday DAC behavior

. Trevor built the terminals ($525). I built the tarmac. Ramon, that is great for you that you build your own airport's. If you don't like the quality of mine, that is your opinion, on the other hand, if you think I am charging too much, I have someone seriously interested at $600. As well, I do not know what custom models has to do with a model airport.....

"I am not saying that this airport is a piece ofs#$@. It is an OK airport, but with what I know regaring the cost of materials

8' by 4' board $15
can of gray paint $5
can of blck paint $5
pencils/rulers $5
plastics $100-125

and so on...

I feel that this is way too much to pay for it. I consider my airports OK; not great. I just think that people are better served by taking their time like I did even if it means having to spend 3 months finishing it."

Please factor in the labor.....

Some of you guys really need to grow up and stop ripping people apart

Mingjim · 12-11-2002, 05:22 PM

Hey buddy I am three times your age. Part of growing up is realizing that some things are not exactly what we think they are. I am not trying to give you a hard time. All I am saying is that I think you have a very subjective view regarding the quality of your work. I personally would not sell any of those planes or the diorama for what you are asking for, but if there is someone out there that is willing to pay you, go for it. I am not going to tell you what to do since there are people out there that have no problems with the quality of your work. I wish you best of luck with your "customs" and "dioramas".

USAirways85 · 12-11-2002, 07:15 PM

Mingjim: I know what you mean about Metz, although i like the custom plane he did for me, his starting price was $50 for a custom 1/500 767, he eventually dropped it down to $35, but i still think its probably worth $25-30.

It was kinda funny because i priced a Delta 767 "Spirit of Delta" (NC) by Vikings and he said $55 for a 1/400 custom as Metz wanted to charge me $50 for a 1/500 custom

bigredvmi · 12-11-2002, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mingjim
Hey genius why don't you look at my prior airports/dioramas (you can even see them if you go to eztoyz) before you open your ignorant mouth and say that I don't know what the hell I am saying. Take a look at my work which includes planes/dioramas (including one airport with fiber optics).

I know he sells his stuff and he appears to be a nice guy, but the fact is that the planes he tries to sell I would not have the nerve to charge $5 for and if you take a look at this tarmac/runway it looks of poor quality at best. I create my own tarmacs, dioramas, planes, lightning effects so when you say I don't know what I am talking about....I say to you to do your research before you look as stupid as you do by making uneducated coments.

Do the research then open your ignorant mouth.

So exercise your rights and don't buy it you jackass ... one lesson you never learned in life is there is a way to provide constructive criticism ... guess the lesson you learned was how to be an a s s

Mingjim · 12-11-2002, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigredvmi
So exercise your rights and don't buy it you jackass ... one lesson you never learned in life is there is a way to provide constructive criticism ... guess the lesson you learned was how to be an a s s

All I was answering in that excerpt were accusations that I did not know what I was talking about regarding how difficult and expensive it is to build an airport. I know very well how difficult and the costs involved in doing so.

I have nothing against Brian in fact I have sent the kid decals at no cost. It is one thing to do customs or dioramas for fun, but I feel that once you enter the arena of a free market and try to sell your products, you should be able to deal with some form of criticism.

All that started this silly back and forth is that I feel that $600 for that board was way too much. There were no personal attacks against Brian, just criticism on the amount of money he wanted for his product.

I wish Brian well and good luck at eBay.

12-11-2002, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mingjim
All I was answering in that excerpt were accusations that I did not know what I was talking about regarding how difficult and expensive it is to build an airport. I know very well how difficult and the costs involved in doing so.

I have nothing against Brian in fact I have sent the kid decals at no cost. It is one thing to do customs or dioramas for fun, but I feel that once you enter the arena of a free market and try to sell your products, you should be able to deal with some form of criticism.

All that started this silly back and forth is that I feel that $600 for that board was way too much. There were no personal attacks against Brian, just criticism on the amount of money he wanted for his product.

I wish Brian well and good luck at eBay.

Bravo my friend. Bravo. The best response I have read to any critical post on DAC in a long time.

I spoke to Metz about this and explained to him that if you are going to show products off on a public forum, you have to take the good with the bad. This place would be boring if everyone said "wow that's great" about everything that someone did - even if it was crap (though this is not the case for KBDL). To have people here who are willing to speak their mind is a tru breath of fresh air and I applaud MingJim for his cander.

bigredvmi · 12-11-2002, 11:57 PM

I stand by my original statement ... it was not the questioning of the price or quality level, but that it was Mingjim who took this thread down to name calling level ...... in my eyes that makes him the imature one ...

Mingjim · 12-12-2002, 07:56 AM

I realize that my choice of words regarding tdh8192's statement were very poor at best and for that I apologize.

tdh8192 · 12-12-2002, 10:58 AM

I was prepared to reply to Mingjim's post this morning when I read through this thread. I have now changed my mind and will not post anything further in this thread.

HNL-Chris · 12-12-2002, 11:27 AM

As one who builds a few airport buildings, I would suggest that $600 is probably a bargin price. My estimate on the materials alone is at least half the cost. The Evergreen plasitic runs between $3 to $4 a sheet and you all know the cost of those jetways. And, I don't know how much most of you value your labor at, but in my opinion there is a lot more than $300 worth of work in this project.

Anyway, this is a nice, well thought out project and will make someone very happy at the asking price.

bigredvmi · 12-12-2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tdh8192
I was prepared to reply to Mingjim's post this morning when I read through this thread. I have now changed my mind and will not post anything further in this thread.

I agree ..... and points well taken Mingjim and Eddy v.2

Diecast Wings · 12-12-2002, 05:19 PM

Honestly, what Mingjim did here to Metz was no different than what 98% of the people on DAC do to Tucano.

AA311AA · 12-12-2002, 08:51 PM

I think what makes us collectors distinct and unique is what we share. It's amazing how many people I found on this forum share the same loves as I have always. From building airports, to capturing images of these scale planes, its all the same; the enthusiasm. I've sold to a few people on DAC in the past years. Now, not considering the money, "metz" - Brian, is one loyal customer, one whom you can't find a lot of these days. As well as Ramon. Brian's a real nice young fellow whom I've known for a while. I think if anything, the detail he added to what I made for him on BDL took a lot of his valiant time and effort. Things are what you make of em. Good luck on selling it Brian...

12-12-2002, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AA311AA
I think what makes us collectors distinct and unique is what we share. It's amazing how many people I found on this forum share the same loves as I have always. From building airports, to capturing images of these scale planes, its all the same; the enthusiasm. I've sold to a few people on DAC in the past years. Now, not considering the money, "metz" - Brian, is one loyal customer, one whom you can't find a lot of these days. As well as Ramon. Brian's a real nice young fellow whom I've known for a while. I think if anything, the detail he added to what I made for him on BDL took a lot of his valiant time and effort. Things are what you make of em. Good luck on selling it Brian...

And the 2002 DAC award for ***** Speaking goes to............

AA311AA · 12-13-2002, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Eddy Two
And the 2002 DAC award for ***** Speaking goes to............

, "to, "Snoop Dog""...

Westjetter · 12-14-2002, 06:44 PM

I think a reasonable price for Metz airport is around $400. For all the work that was put into it, who can really argue!

12-11-2002, 01:18 AM	#1
TL925 Master Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: London Age: 26 Posts: 529	Metz, why are you selling KBDL? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=746094944 I was wondering why you were parting ways w/ your diorama. It looks great.

12-11-2002, 07:47 AM	#4
Mingjim Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,865	$600 "buy now" ($300 reserve not yet met). I am not Trevor when it comes to building terminals, but you are asking WAY TOO MUCH for this terminal. I feel sorry for whoever ends up spending that much money for it when they can buy the materials for $100 - $150. __________________

12-11-2002, 12:14 PM	#7
Mingjim Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,865	Hey genius why don't you look at my prior airports/dioramas (you can even see them if you go to eztoyz) before you open your ignorant mouth and say that I don't know what the hell I am saying. Take a look at my work which includes planes/dioramas (including one airport with fiber optics). I know he sells his stuff and he appears to be a nice guy, but the fact is that the planes he tries to sell I would not have the nerve to charge $5 for and if you take a look at this tarmac/runway it looks of poor quality at best. I create my own tarmacs, dioramas, planes, lightning effects so when you say I don't know what I am talking about....I say to you to do your research before you look as stupid as you do by making uneducated coments. Do the research then open your ignorant mouth. __________________

12-11-2002, 12:35 PM	#8
Mingjim Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,865	I am not saying that this airport is a piece ofs#$@. It is an OK airport, but with what I know regaring the cost of materials 8' by 4' board $15 can of gray paint $5 can of blck paint $5 pencils/rulers $5 plastics $100-125 and so on... I feel that this is way too much to pay for it. I consider my airports OK; not great. I just think that people are better served by taking their time like I did even if it means having to spend 3 months finishing it. __________________ Last edited by Mingjim; 12-11-2002 at 01:15 PM.

12-11-2002, 01:46 PM	#9
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12-11-2002, 04:43 AM	#2
Defence Sec. Rumsfeld Collector Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 67	Forgive me, but might I ask whether the ground plates on this model are for display only? You get better ones with the actual model don't you? There are no (or limited) airside markings, the roadways are wider than the runway should be..... What gives?

12-11-2002, 07:28 AM	#3
metz31689 Guest Posts: n/a	I just think it was a boring airport to model. No exciting liverys such as the Concorde, etc. Defence Sec. Rumsfeld, I designed the airport to the best of my ability, by even driving up there and taking photos of the tarmac (The cop's weren't crazy about that ). I got the dimensions for the runway from Bradley's website, and it is accurate size for 1/400 scale.

12-11-2002, 11:59 AM	#5
Eddy Two Guest Posts: n/a	I may be wrong but I believe Trevor built the terminals for this airport - or some of them. Metz, you did the ground yourself, right?!?!?

12-11-2002, 02:11 PM	#10
mikeytex Insane Collector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Alvin, Texas (Nolan's back!!!) Age: 47 Posts: 1,172	Is it safe to say that if a person really wants it, they will pay any price? And, if the seller really wants to let it go, he'll accept an offer? Materials are one thing, but labor is another......... My worthless 2 cents on the thread. __________________ Certified Jellybean Addict!!!

12-11-2002, 03:45 PM	#11
metz31689 Guest Posts: n/a	Wow. What a wonderful example of everyday DAC behavior . Trevor built the terminals ($525). I built the tarmac. Ramon, that is great for you that you build your own airport's. If you don't like the quality of mine, that is your opinion, on the other hand, if you think I am charging too much, I have someone seriously interested at $600. As well, I do not know what custom models has to do with a model airport..... "I am not saying that this airport is a piece ofs#$@. It is an OK airport, but with what I know regaring the cost of materials 8' by 4' board $15 can of gray paint $5 can of blck paint $5 pencils/rulers $5 plastics $100-125 and so on... I feel that this is way too much to pay for it. I consider my airports OK; not great. I just think that people are better served by taking their time like I did even if it means having to spend 3 months finishing it." Please factor in the labor..... Some of you guys really need to grow up and stop ripping people apart

12-11-2002, 05:22 PM	#12
Mingjim Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,865	Hey buddy I am three times your age. Part of growing up is realizing that some things are not exactly what we think they are. I am not trying to give you a hard time. All I am saying is that I think you have a very subjective view regarding the quality of your work. I personally would not sell any of those planes or the diorama for what you are asking for, but if there is someone out there that is willing to pay you, go for it. I am not going to tell you what to do since there are people out there that have no problems with the quality of your work. I wish you best of luck with your "customs" and "dioramas". __________________

12-11-2002, 07:15 PM	#13
USAirways85 Master Collector Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 643	Mingjim: I know what you mean about Metz, although i like the custom plane he did for me, his starting price was $50 for a custom 1/500 767, he eventually dropped it down to $35, but i still think its probably worth $25-30. It was kinda funny because i priced a Delta 767 "Spirit of Delta" (NC) by Vikings and he said $55 for a 1/400 custom as Metz wanted to charge me $50 for a 1/500 custom

12-11-2002, 11:57 PM	#17
bigredvmi Master Collector Join Date: May 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 786	I stand by my original statement ... it was not the questioning of the price or quality level, but that it was Mingjim who took this thread down to name calling level ...... in my eyes that makes him the imature one ... __________________ - Drew Sell crazy somewere else were all stocked up here

12-12-2002, 07:56 AM	#18
Mingjim Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,865	I realize that my choice of words regarding tdh8192's statement were very poor at best and for that I apologize. __________________

12-12-2002, 10:58 AM	#19
tdh8192 Mmmm... pep'roni pizza Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,241	I was prepared to reply to Mingjim's post this morning when I read through this thread. I have now changed my mind and will not post anything further in this thread. __________________ - Tom

12-12-2002, 11:27 AM	#20
HNL-Chris Insane Collector Join Date: May 2000 Location: Honolulu, HI/Denver, CO USA Age: 24 Posts: 2,087	Too much? As one who builds a few airport buildings, I would suggest that $600 is probably a bargin price. My estimate on the materials alone is at least half the cost. The Evergreen plasitic runs between $3 to $4 a sheet and you all know the cost of those jetways. And, I don't know how much most of you value your labor at, but in my opinion there is a lot more than $300 worth of work in this project. Anyway, this is a nice, well thought out project and will make someone very happy at the asking price. __________________ To visit Chris and Jack's 1/400 & 1/500 photo albums at, Click here or our web site at http://www.hnl-chris.com

12-12-2002, 05:19 PM	#22
Diecast Wings Master Collector Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: USA Posts: 556	Honestly, what Mingjim did here to Metz was no different than what 98% of the people on DAC do to Tucano. __________________ Diecast Wings - Rare 1/400 scale models Verona Clothing - Clothing worn by Strata, Hawthorne Heights, Halifax, Silverstein and more!

12-12-2002, 08:51 PM	#23
AA311AA Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Age: 41 Posts: 1,774	I think what makes us collectors distinct and unique is what we share. It's amazing how many people I found on this forum share the same loves as I have always. From building airports, to capturing images of these scale planes, its all the same; the enthusiasm. I've sold to a few people on DAC in the past years. Now, not considering the money, "metz" - Brian, is one loyal customer, one whom you can't find a lot of these days. As well as Ramon. Brian's a real nice young fellow whom I've known for a while. I think if anything, the detail he added to what I made for him on BDL took a lot of his valiant time and effort. Things are what you make of em. Good luck on selling it Brian...

12-14-2002, 06:44 PM	#26
Westjetter Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Age: 27 Posts: 2,650	I think a reasonable price for Metz airport is around $400. For all the work that was put into it, who can really argue!

12-14-2002, 06:47 PM	#27
Westjetter Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Age: 27 Posts: 2,650