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Old 05-06-2011, 04:41 PM   #1
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Default 1:72 Vs. 1:48 or Your favorite scale

Please, I need the help of the board. I have a full collection of 1:48 Franklin Mint - Armour. There seems to be bias towards 1:72.

Can you reply in this thread and tell me what logic you use (if any) in the scale that you prefer?

I mentioned in my other thread that when I was a kid, most plastic models were 1:48. And G.I. Joe was 1:12 . Then some time in the eighties, models got smaller and G.I. Joes shrunk to 3.5 inches.

I've seen those marvelous pics of the 1:72 Gemini Aces and the detail looks pretty damn good. But I still can't find a 1:72 B-17 Flying Fortress.

Any way, I'm open to all suggestions and reasoning. Certainly the storage is a huge advantage. I know they generally cost much less. But do you think they stand up to the detail of the "Original" Franklin Mint 1:48s ? (Not the Armour)

I really appreciate your input.


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Default Re: 1:72 Vs. 1:48 or Your favorite scale

There are just so many more different types of aircraft (especially in fighter/attack/light bomber types) available in 1/72, it is generally less expensive, takes up a lot less space and the detail and finish is excellent in many of the available models. I have one Armour F-86F in 1/48 and two Hobby Master F9F Panthers in 1/48, but I do not intend to buy any more 1/48 scale models unless something unique that is not available in 1/72 comes out that I have to have.

I especially like 1950's and 1960's era U.S. military aircraft and vintage propliners, so I primarily like 1/72 and 1/200 in diecast. I have several older 1/144 Corgi Post-WWII U.S. Military aircraft and some airliners, but there isn't much coming out in 1/144 anymore.
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I think that you will find that most collectors who want a large variety of models and have space limitations regarding displaying or storing their replicas, prefer the 1:72nd scale. Cost is also a factor where the larger scale renditions are concerned.

In my case, I collect 1:48th scale fighters and attack planes but draw the line there due primarily to space reasons. I collect large numbers of 1:72nd scale models ranging from WWI to modern era planes, including fairly big replicas such as the JU-52, B-17, Lancaster, etc. as well as various mediums. I also go in for still smaller scales, such as 1:87, 1:100, 1:120 and 1:144 put out by various publisher initiated thematic collections because these are the only way to obtain models of unusual subjects like the SM-79, MS-406, Nate, Jake, etc. that are too risky for regular diecast makers like Hobby Master or Corgi to tackle. Put all of these scales and sources together, and my interest in acquiring a very comprehensive collection is satisfied. Others, however, tend to stick to certain scales and themes or eras, and won't touch anything smaller than 1:72nd.
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Wow guys thank you so much. I am seriously thinking about picking up one of those Gemini Aces "Crypes a Mighty" P-51s just to see if the detail is as good as my Franklin Mint "Big Beautiful Doll".

As for guys not wanting to collect anything smaller than 1:72; That's like collecting key chain ornaments or "charms". I can see the reluctance to go any smaller than 1:72. Again, I think there's a fine line between collecting and "hoarding". If you don't appreciate what you have; I think it's hoarding. (again that's just my opinion)

Being a musician, when I finally started making money from music, I bought all kinds of guitars I didn't need. Now this was expensive. Good guitars start at 700 US and go up to the 3-4K amounts. At one point I had 28 guitars. I had always wanted a Rickenbacker like John Lennon. I got it. (never used it) I bought a 5 thousand dollar guitar from Joe Perry of Aerosmyth. (stopped playing it after I got my Wolfgang) . I had 4 Les Pauls, 3 Stratocasters, 3 Telecasters, It was an impressive collection. But they just sat there. I only had about 5 that I used in the studio and 3 that I play live with. It just seemed to be a sin to have something and not use it. So I sold off all of my guitar collection until I got down to the guitars I couldn't live without. I think I have about 12 guitars now. (and I could still sell a few and not miss them) But guitars are different for a working musician. They're like power tools for a contractor.

I use to collect Baseball cards. I still have binders full of rookies and future hall of famers. I have complete sets I've never even opened. But like my guitars, my Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Ricky Hendersons etc.... are in a box in my bed room. I rarely look at them, but they're safe and I know where they are. The "thousands" of commons are in the garage in shoe boxes. (Hoarding)

But my Franklin Mint Air Force is special. It's relatively new. I started collecting last year. I just wanted a BF109 to hang over my desk in my studio office. As I got into collecting, I started selling my mistakes and buying really cool stuff that came up. Unlike baseball cards, Planes are pretty finite in real quantity. Unlike guitars, they're a lot cheaper. I know some collectors get their rocks off collecting "Sets". And I really think that also is a form of hoarding. It's like when I started collecting guitars I never played. It was about the hunt. It was about aquiring. It was about having a HUGE COLLECTION.

I think now I'm into catch and release. Unless I really like it. Then it becomes a part of my life. If not; it's just "Stuff". At one point I thought it would be cool just to buy planes, take cool pictures of them, then sell the planes so others could enjoy them, and I would have the tangible memory of it. As I look back at news paper or magazine articles from the past, I look at the guitar I was playing back then and say: " That was a cool guitar". But I don't need to still have it.

Soloman wrote in Ecclesiates (I'm paraphrasing) "We accumulate great riches in our lifetime and when we die; they go to someone that didn't work hard for them and can't appreciate them". That's sort of how I feel about collecting. I have this mohogany X-15 that I bought on EBAY from a guy whose father passed away. He said that it sat on his father's desk for years and he loved it. Personally, I don't see how the guy could have sold it, but now that I have it; I realize how much it meant to this deceased Air Force officer and it sits in my "Curio cabinet" with respect.

As you get older, material things lose their value. Stories and memories gain value. To quote a line from one of my favorite movies (Lady and the Tramp) "Come on midge, life is short. Let's go make some memories" So as King Soloman learned; Memories are all you can take with you when you pass.


I apologize for rambling on.

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Old 05-06-2011, 11:39 PM   #5
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I think the 1:72 scale is the best scale of choice in military models collecting.
They are not too big, or too small, with great details & features and wide variety of model planes (fighters, bombers, transport...etc...) and helicopters.

The 1:48 scale it's too big and if compared with 1:72...they are not as detailed (i.e. antennas, opening canopies, moveable rudder, flaps...etc...).

I used to collect 1:48 scale back in the "old" days (2001-2005) and the model selection (Armour/Franklin Mint) was somewhat limited and I did not like them very much hence I sold them all and started 1:72 scale collection, a decision I'm glad I've made...

After reducing my collection a bit, selling over 25 models, currently I'm at a modest 100 models all in 1:72 scale...with a few new ones in pre-orders (T-33, Stirling, Whirlwind...)

As for smaller scale...1:200 seems to be great if you like collecting airline models. This scale also offers a great selection of fighter planes too.
See here >> Wings 1/200 Military - News

I could not resist the 1:200 scale CF-18 in RCAF markings, the model is super detailed and almost as good as the 1:72 scale version...

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Old 05-10-2011, 12:08 PM   #6
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Default Re: 1:72 Vs. 1:48 or Your favorite scale

In your humble opinions:

Who makes the best 1/72 P-51 Mustang/BF 109

The best 1/72 Modern day fighters ( F-14/ Raptor etc...)

The best Bombers (B-17 and B-25s) And in addition to the latter; Does any one know of a company that makes a 1/72 B-25 Tondelayo ?
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Corgi makes the 1/72 B-17's. Right now you will probably only find them on ebay. Corgis last one they made was the 2nd edition Memphis Belle, and before that the Hells Angles. I haven't heard of any new release B-17 planes. Go to DiecastHangarPub.com and snoop around, its all Military forum. You can also go to tricatus.co.uk. This is a good website with losts of pics of models.

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Go to DiecastHangarPub.com and snoop around, its all Military forum.
Right. I got banned in 2 days by the Hypocrites in charge because I objected to their usage of the word (forgive me my Japanese brothers) JAPS. And I don't mean the princesses. There's a click at that board that seems can do no wrong while others get "Bullied" for voicing an opinion contrary to any one.

I will check out the UK site though. Thank you.
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Right. I got banned in 2 days by the Hypocrites in charge because I objected to their usage of the word (forgive me my Japanese brothers) JAPS. And I don't mean the princesses. There's a click at that board that seems can do no wrong while others get "Bullied" for voicing an opinion contrary to any one.

I will check out the UK site though. Thank you.
So the PC crowd got you. Oh well you can still go there without logging on. I am a member but do not post alot over there. When I do ask a question I never seem to get a response. So I just gave up. Besides on of the most knowledgeable person on Military stuff SuperKuFu is here on this site.
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Check out Gemini Aces for some very good P-51Bs and Dragon is the best for P-51Ds, despite its fiddly bits and loose wing flaps. As for the BF-109, Dragon made some pretty good Gs but lousy Es. In fact the old Corgi BF-109E4s are still the best option, though they are limited in detail and I don't like the canopies. If you want a good F it's Gemini, again.
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I have a few of corgi's 1:32's (i know we arnt talking about that scale)
Spitfire, hurricane, mustang and a bf-109. Great detail on them!
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So the PC crowd got you. Oh well you can still go there without logging on. I am a member but do not post alot over there. When I do ask a question I never seem to get a response. So I just gave up. Besides on of the most knowledgeable person on Military stuff SuperKuFu is here on this site.

No I can't even "visit". My IPA has been banned. But you're right. SKF is right on the money and to my knowledge not involved in the power hungry hypocrites that run that board. But enough of that board. I've been more enlightened here in 4 days than I have the last year.

I must admit. I've fallen in love with Gemini Aces. I would trade out my collection of Franklin Mint today if I could find a 1/72 replacement for the B-25 Tondelayo. But all I've been able to find is the 144. (toooo small).

And another thing that's tempted me is that Hobby Masters makes a 1/48 version of Crypes a Mighty. I'm so tempted..........
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I NEED A GROUP HUG. I BOUGHT MY FIRST REAL 1/72 diecast P-51. I actually have a Matchbox 1/72 corsair that has pretty damn nice lines. So I decided to grab a Gemini Aces P-51B Ferocious Frankie (lol, sounds gay) But I can't wait to see the detail.



Interestingly enough; I looked at Hobby Masters' 1/48 version of "Crypes A Might" and the detail looks really poor compared to the Gemini Aces 1/72 scale that were posted here (in pics) So I wanted to invest in a "inexpensive" 1/72 Gemini Aces to see if the smaller version really has better detail. It seems "Counter intuitive" but it also seems to be the overwhelming census of the internet.

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cant comment on 1/48s from HM as i only have 1/72....now you see the popularity of 1/72 scale, needs less space,at more times more detailed and more brands to choose from....wish you luck to your future collections
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For jets, 1:72 is an easy choice. FM 1:48 is larger, but I find them far less accurate overall. With props, larger often does mean more detailed. But that is not the case with jets, as FM almost has a monopoly in 1/48 jets, and I don't rate them very high.
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Does Anyone have any comments on the IXO 1:72 P-51 ?
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Default CONCLUSION 1:72 vs. 1:48

I recieved my "GEMINI ACES" P-51B Today. I also took out my Franklin Mint collection (just the chosen few- Big Beautiful Doll, Berlin Express, BF-109 etc......)

And my decision to stay with the 1:48 scale was made quite easily.

It's a given that diecast is basically "brittle". My Gemini Aces came with an LG that was separated from it's wing flap. (nothing a little S glue won't fix) but the one thing I was completely opposed to were "All the little parts I had to assemble".

I started collecting Diecast because as I got older, I didn't have the same patients to put together models. (Hell I'm a thrash guitarist, it's hard for me to sit still) So the last thing I want to do is take a "tenuous" metal model and stick pegs into holes that might not fit anymore.

But assembly aside; I finally got this cute little Mustang together. (flying position mind you) I put it next to my Franklin Mint BBD and BE and there was no contest in my mind. Slightly bigger is better (for me).

What really made my mind up was looking through all the ME-262 models that don't come close to the FM version. Same with the B-25 Tondelayo (which I haven't been able to locate) or the B-17 "Nine-O-Nine" (same thing). These are my favorite models.

Detail: I think the detail on the smaller scale is a matter of perception. Granted I was impressed by the moving parts on the G.A. Mustang, but not enough to sell off my collection of awesome F-14s, Migs, Bombers, F-15s, 16s,18s, F-4s, F-4Us, F-86s, Spitfires, Tornadoes, F104s,BF109s, etc...

In the end; I found myself saying the trade off (which I percieved as minimal) was not great enough to try and collect again what I have collected. Another issue that I noticed was, even though 1:72 scales are cheaper (and getting more expensive I might add) I feel Franklin Mint will keep it's value and appreciate as time goes by. Until one of the smaller producers steps forward and assumes the position of dominance in 1:72 scale; I see 6 companies fighting it out with great product that all have their flaws.

Damn, I was really looking forward to buying an F-14 with wings that moved. (But who knows, maybe Hobby Master will do it)
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There's nothing wrong with deciding to just collect 1/48 models. Collecting diecasts is a matter of personal choice. Some collect 1/48, some collect 1/72, some collect 1/200, etcetera

Question - do Franklin Mint still make 1/48 diecast aeroplanes?
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There's nothing wrong with deciding to just collect 1/48 models. Collecting diecasts is a matter of personal choice. Some collect 1/48, some collect 1/72, some collect 1/200, etcetera

Question - do Franklin Mint still make 1/48 diecast aeroplanes?
As far as I know...the last few FM models are selling out for more than 50% of the original price at my local hobbyshop just to get rid of it and no more........
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Thank you Mar_ji. I was informed similarly by a hobby shop manager. He wasn't 100% certain and presumably he is correct with his information.
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Yes some dealers are dumping their FM, and I will buy them all day at 50%. FM chose NOT to flood the market with unlimited runs. This will make the market even more collectable. Try finding a Franklin MInt Big Beautiful Doll. The MSRP on BBD is 40.00 US . The going price on EBAY is between 100 and 125. The last one I sold went for 125.

I'm quite sure you won't see your local shop selling BBD for 20.00 US. If so, please forward his/her phone number to me.

Is collecting simply buying? Or is the search most of the fun? Topps no longer makes 1952 Mickey Mantle Rookie Cards. (I'd love to have one) But I don't have 275,000 US.

In the late 1980s, Baseball card collecting took an upswing in sales. At the time there were only 3 companies producing the sports cards. In 1989 The Seattle Mariners promoted a young center fielder named Ken Griffey Jr. that changed the hobby of card collecting for about 20 years. In 1990 the card companies started making extra sets. Then in 1991 there were 12 companies making sets. By 1994, many card shops just closed their doors because a .35 cent pack of cards turned into a 3.00 pack. Collecting sets was impossible. It destroyed the hobby. Until just recently, (after 2 decades of declining sales) all of the companies that sprouted in the 90s were purchased or went out of business.

Back to Mickey Mantle; The most recent sale was for 275 K . Barry Bonds ? The all-time Homerun leader? (and most recent) 15.00 US.

But I agree with Eagle Driver; Collect what you like. Collect what makes you feel good. Not what makes others feel good.
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