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Old 05-05-2017, 02:22 AM   #1
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Hobby Master HA0189 MiG-21PFM Fishbed, Soviet Aerobatic Team, Soviet Air Force, Kubinka AB, USSR, 1967


Looks like HM corrected this scheme
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Old 05-05-2017, 02:27 AM   #2
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I think this is much better looking as well as being demonstrably accurate, which as I understand matters the previously announced version was not.

Sick of fantasy schemes, and I don't think they are great for the hobby either.
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i agree... this looks better. but again, not my cup of tea...
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Of course it's not a cup of tea, it's a plane!
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Yeah can't say the original version was that good but this scheme is abit more unique/odd as well as being accurate so will probably pick it up for the Soviet/Fishbed fleet themes.
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Come to Papa!!! Glad the changes were made.
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Ya seeeeeee William does listen! Cool UF .... Don't know yet if I may even get it........bring on the PrePro's

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Ya seeeeeee William does listen! Cool UF .... Don't know yet if I may even get it........bring on the PrePro's

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Yeah one of those rare non expert suggestion moments I guess

Yep, still not 100% buy, will wait to see the QC on the application of the red sections, on the Aerobatic MiG-15, they were abit rough around the edges in some places.

Good result in any case, score for the legit collectors
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Not a rare event if you can provide accurate info and not come across as some pompous jerk about why it needs to be corrected.

Nice that it's been corrected. You know, for the legit collectors (whoever they may be) that are still on the fence about buying one.
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Should that red really be on the front of the coaming under the windshield?
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Should that red really be on the front of the coaming under the windshield?
Well spotted, that should probably be bare metal, you should suggest that to HM.

EDIT: It should probably be egg blue like the rest of the cockpit but HM have always painted that section as the same colour as the scheme. So pretty much always wrong from HM lol more so on camo models then bare metal, bare metal I can kinda accept as plausible in some cases.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:10 PM   #12
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While looking up something else, I found this by chance

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Mmm. I suppose I can live with wrong coloured numbers. William said they'll correct the red under the windshield. So, we'll see.
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Mmm. I suppose I can live with wrong coloured numbers. William said they'll correct the red under the windshield. So, we'll see.
HM got the bort colour right I reckon, maybe when they added colour to that B&W pic, they got it wrong ?


Great news about correcting the windshield section. I like this new step in the right direction HM are taking.
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Oh and thanks for getting that corrected, this what we need more of in this hobby. Cheers
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Old 05-19-2017, 07:24 AM   #16
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Well, I have this ordered so it was in my own self interest. Hopefully it will turn out fine. It does look like that picture was "hand colourised" incorrectly, including perhaps the green intake rims.
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Still, you could have also stood idly by and not done anything about it. I wasn't planning on getting this till HM revised it, then when you rightly pointed out the red under the canopy I was rethinking my order again but now it's a definite yes.

Yeah I don't believe that the cone ring was ever green, it's mostly to point out the silver spine. Guess this just shows multiple sources are needed when it comes to odd subjects like this one. They probably thought oh communist Soviet Union, bort must be red lol
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Jusssss adding a couple more pics.

I know....for the other red HM demo Mig 15 .... The stars on top of the wings were errors. In a cursory glancing search....I could not find pics to show stars on top or the undersides of the wings on this demo Mig Fishbed.

So who is to say if they are there or not?

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That small patch of red would be easily fixed with alittle paint and a brush. As was taking stars off the wing of the red MiG-15. Made it accurate, but destroyed its resale value I know.

I wonder why this same issue with all other non silver MiG-21s never came up?

That's not defending anything, that's a simple question.
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That small patch of red would be easily fixed with alittle paint and a brush. As was taking stars off the wing of the red MiG-15. Made it accurate, but destroyed its resale value I know.

I wonder why this same issue with all other non silver MiG-21s never came up?

That's not defending anything, that's a simple question.
That's too funny ... I was going to address within this thread by what method did (specifically) you, remove the stars on the Mig 15 ...wow.

You possibly did not "destroy its value" ......if you decide to sell...just add the word(s) Custom(ized) For Accuracy some where in your selling title

Personally I don't know why myself, about the same issue on the non-silver Migs 21s never came up.

So what method did you use to remove the stars on the Mig15?

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That small patch of red would be easily fixed with alittle paint and a brush. As was taking stars off the wing of the red MiG-15. Made it accurate, but destroyed its resale value I know.

I wonder why this same issue with all other non silver MiG-21s never came up?

That's not defending anything, that's a simple question.
Well, 27 previous releases, an embarrassing oversight for the rivet counting department. All I can say is that I never noticed until it was highlighted in bright red.

An easy fix on this version of canopy, but not the fixed windshield version. An easier fix (assuming of course, that it is actually fixed), was a 30 second email.



I presume star removal was by non-acetone nail polish remover. Mine will stay on until someone proves they're wrong with a photograph.

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That's too funny ... I was going to address within this thread by what method did (specifically) you, remove the stars on the Mig 15 ...wow.

You possibly did not "destroy its value" ......if you decide to sell...just add the word(s) Custom(ized) For Accuracy some where in your selling title

Personally I don't know why myself, about the same issue on the non-silver Migs 21s never came up.

So what method did you use to remove the stars on the Mig15?

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Converted a dry erase marker into a tampo remover using acetone. They came right off, but there is a ghost image if you really look for it.
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Well, 27 previous releases, an embarrassing oversight for the rivet counting department. All I can say is that I never noticed until it was highlighted in bright red.

An easy fix on this version of canopy, but not the fixed windshield version. An easier fix (assuming of course, that it is actually fixed), was a 30 second email.



I presume star removal was by non-acetone nail polish remover. Mine will stay on until someone proves they're wrong with a photograph.
Oh I have repainted several MiG canopy frames. It's not that difficult. But to each their own.
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Jusssss adding a couple more pics.

I know....for the other red HM demo Mig 15 .... The stars on top of the wings were errors. In a cursory glancing search....I could not find pics to show stars on top or the undersides of the wings on this demo Mig Fishbed.

So who is to say if they are there or not?

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This MiG-21 team video (first half) is inconclusive to me:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pRKkhMubtac


However, this MiG-19 team film clearly shows upper wing stars:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o4k4zzVjfHo
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Yep that's the video I was using to research this scheme. There was another video and pics of the MiG-15 that showed no topside wing stars. Considering that standard soviet Fishbeds had topside stars, it's safe to say this one would have as well.

While I'm not sure Soviet and even Nork MiG-15s had topside stars, certainly there's enough doubt about the Nork scheme.

As for not picking this up early, good question, most are bare metal so not obvious but looking at the current Arab MiGs, it is obvious, the Syrian even has a striped pattern inside the cockpit
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In this vid at time 1:18 to 1:23 you can see both that the topside and bottom side of this red...Mig 19 .....has Stars...

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Converted a dry erase marker into a tampo remover using acetone. They came right off, but there is a ghost image if you really look for it.
Thanx.....I had seen that method mention in a Diecast car forum a while back...and it worked for them as i can see ....it worked for you....

Now Adour mentions non-acetone nail polish remover....So Adour, question to you...does this liquid leave a ghost image as acetone apparently does?

Thanx in advance....

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In this vid at time 1:18 to 1:23 you can see both that the topside and bottom side of this red...Mig 19 .....has Stars...

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt9NB-WjCe4
Notice there were no rear fuselage stars ? I'd say they applied stars to the tail and rear fuselage on early jers, then later ditched the rear star in favour of the wing stars, which makes sense as why would you want so may stars around the rear so that the enemy had an easier time identifying the target and there're the vulnerable spots are, almost like a bulls eye.

Polish Airforce had similar MiG-15 marking layout and once they operated the MiG-21, only had emblems on the tail and bottom of the wings, ditching the rear fusalage emblem and not applying it to the topside wings at all.
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At the end of the day, I'd still like to see other Eastern European users that have not been made yet.
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Yeah there's still quiet a few nice models to be made for the Czech, Romanian, Croatian, Bulgarian, Uzbek and of course Ukrainian, airforces.
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...So Adour, question to you...does this liquid leave a ghost image as acetone apparently does?

Thanx in advance....

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It seems to depend on the underlying paint. Usually no, but beware of over application.
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