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Old 02-02-2017, 06:36 AM   #1
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I've never really liked the gloss finish on my first HM Tomcat (HA5203), and now I have one in a matt finish (HA5212) it looks even more ridiculous to me. The subject doesn't seem to come up on this forum - though I've admittedly only been on here a few months - so I wondered if I am in a minority here?

It just looks, well, odd. It makes the model look less real. I've decided to get rid of models in my collection that have a gloss finish (which is, fortunately, only a few) and avoid them from now on.

Anyway, so do you prefer a gloss or matt finish on your models?
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I think it depends on whether the actual aircraft has a gloss, semi-gloss or matt finish. If the model has too much of a deviation then yes it is incorrect. A few years ago, a KC-10 model was done in a gloss finish and that was wrong. Photos of the actual plane showed it to be matt. It did attract a lot of comments on the forums with some collectors saying they would respray the model.
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I just voted matt; however, I will say that is because most of the time that is how the real aircraft appear.

If the real aircraft has a gloss finish (eg certain special schemes are very glossy) then I would expect the model to reflect that.
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I'd like it finished in whatever the real aircraft was, simple.
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Most older aircraft have a semi or gloss finish to help with cleaning off impact materials as well to reduce parasite drag.

The newer ram (radar absorbent material) paint coats on the USAF aircraft are a matte finish.
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Yeah, I think it was the Aardvarks Sqd release this topic came up but the apologists during that time claimed that there should be extreme gloss, I thought it was "overscale"
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The thing is, IMO, more often than not a matt finish on a model closer resembles the gloss finish on a real plane due to scaling effects, etc. There are some exceptions (chrome and aluminium finishes, for example) but in general I reckon that is the case. I'd argue that is certainly the case for most F-14 finishes.
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The thing is, IMO, more often than not a matt finish on a model closer resembles the gloss finish on a real plane due to scaling effects, etc. There are some exceptions (chrome and aluminium finishes, for example) but in general I reckon that is the case. I'd argue that is certainly the case for most F-14 finishes.
That's exactly it, 100% agree.
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The thing is, IMO, more often than not a matt finish on a model closer resembles the gloss finish on a real plane due to scaling effects, etc.
I think it's a case of personal preference for something like that. I'm sure someone will complain if the model was done in a matt finish and a photo of the actual aircraft showed it to be gloss.

However, it isn't wrong if you decide not to collect models with a gloss finish - the usual buy the models you like.
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However, it isn't wrong if you decide not to collect models with a gloss finish - the usual buy the models you like.
Well, exactly, and I'm only offering up an opinion and asking for others'. If people love the gloss finish then clearly they're going to love the models they believe that finish she be used on, and good luck to them. For me, though, they just don't look right.

You know for some of the higher gloss (non-chrome non-Al) finishes on real planes perhaps it doesn't even have to go as far as matt; perhaps a moderate satin, but not a full-on gloss for me - it looks odd.
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correct me if i'm wrong... but didn't the glossy finish of the cw wolfpack cause much hue and cry when it was released? as i recall it was kinda like cw's fall from grace back then. but now it seems glossy tolerance has increased somewhat. trip is right about the use of paint on the actual aircrafts and somehow, personally i wouldn't mind a pearly sheen if the actual aircraft was gloss... but definite no no to high gloss models.
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A satin gloss would be my preferred type of paint for most models.
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I was just comparing my CW/HM Jolly Rogers F-14s and have to say that CW looks better to my eyes because of more matt. Actually from the military aircraft my only gloss model is CW F-14A Tomcat VF-114 Aardvarks. And speaking about CW Aardvarks F-14 - is there any no-need-to-airbrush satin gloss coating which can be used on diecast models? - Satin Future, satin shoe polish, semi-matt cream, waterproofing spray or whatever stuff that gives a semi-matt finish and does not harm diecast models?
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I chose Matt and I don't mean the guy missing both his arms and both legs

I suppose for 1:1 military aircraft, a Matt finish is less reflective thereby less noticeable by enemies on the ground and in the air in time of war.

For diecast purposes, I'm not gonna refuse a scheme I like because of the Matt or Gloss Finish.

What the survey did not account for is the choice of Both or None ...it's either one or the other. None would infer other types of Finishes other than the choices given.

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If its suppose to be gloss, I want it matte.

And if its suppose to be matte, then gloss.

Just to see heads explode!
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I was just comparing my CW/HM Jolly Rogers F-14s and have to say that CW looks better to my eyes because of more matt. Actually from the military aircraft my only gloss model is CW F-14A Tomcat VF-114 Aardvarks. And speaking about CW Aardvarks F-14 - is there any no-need-to-airbrush satin gloss coating which can be used on diecast models? - Satin Future, satin shoe polish, semi-matt cream, waterproofing spray or whatever stuff that gives a semi-matt finish and does not harm diecast models?
I would imagine that you could find a spray can of matte varnish at any modelling store. But first, I’d test it on a not-so-valuable diecast to see if there aren’t any chemical reactions. (ie paint starting to peel or crack).
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If its suppose to be gloss, I want it matte.

And if its suppose to be matte, then gloss.

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Somebody prefers gloss, nobody cares, someone requests matte and everybody loses their minds
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Is the gloss really that bad? Looking at the following photos, that is quite a strong reflection in the wings. A matt or even a satin finish wouldn't reflect that amount I don't think




Then again, perhaps I've had one too many at the pub and mis-interpreted the pics
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I would imagine that you could find a spray can of matte varnish at any modelling store. But first, I’d test it on a not-so-valuable diecast to see if there aren’t any chemical reactions. (ie paint starting to peel or crack).
Thanks, mate. Unfortunately ALL my models are valuable for me and I dont want to go into any risk. Maybe some day I´ll buy whichever cheap diecast model for testing purposes only, but even then - it can happen that different manufacturers may use different chemicals for colors and pad printings. Also with spray can I could end up with sagged varnish or frosty / "rough" finish, therefore I wonder if there´s possibly some other stuff on the market.
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Thanks, mate. Unfortunately ALL my models are valuable for me and I dont want to go into any risk. Maybe some day I´ll buy whichever cheap diecast model for testing purposes only, but even then - it can happen that different manufacturers may use different chemicals for colors and pad printings. Also with spray can I could end up with sagged varnish or frosty / "rough" finish, therefore I wonder if there´s possibly some other stuff on the market.
Could always try it on a cheapo Easy Models ? It should react the same way in theory. But yeah, I'd be more worried about how it's applied and that ends up ruining the model rather then a chemical reaction, it's basically clear paint over paint
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I can't vote on this one as it makes no sense. An aircraft is either gloss, satin or matt in real life and I want it depicted realistically. It is what it is and personal preference shouldn't come in to it.
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I can't vote on this one as it makes no sense. An aircraft is either gloss, satin or matt in real life and I want it depicted realistically. It is what it is and personal preference shouldn't come in to it.
I tend to agree. perhaps he should of included a third option.
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I can't vote on this one as it makes no sense. An aircraft is either gloss, satin or matt in real life and I want it depicted realistically. It is what it is and personal preference shouldn't come in to it.
I said something similar in my earlier posting and also did not vote.

What I can say as well is - I have noticed a variation with the finish on model kit builds. Some apply a gloss while others a matt for a similar scheme. However, this only occurs with the high visibility liveries such as the F-106 in the photos above. Lo vis is nearly always matt or satin.

Personally, I would go with gloss if photos of the real aircraft show it in that finish.
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I can't vote on this one as it makes no sense. An aircraft is either gloss, satin or matt in real life and I want it depicted realistically. It is what it is and personal preference shouldn't come in to it.
It makes complete sense. Your view is a rather simplistic one that doesn't take into account scaling effects - if only it was that easy! Google images of the real VF-84 1977 Tomcat and see how many of them look matt, and how many of them look gloss. Some from some angles might have a bit of a shine to them, yet the majority very definitely look matt.
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It makes complete sense. Your view is a rather simplistic one that doesn't take into account scaling effects - if only it was that easy! Google images of the real VF-84 1977 Tomcat and see how many of them look matt, and how many of them look gloss. Some from some angles might have a bit of a shine to them, yet the majority very definitely look matt.
The key word here is “scaling” effect. That, IMO, is why satin or matt finishes lend 1:72 models a much more realistic look.
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The key word here is “scaling” effect. That, IMO, is why satin or matt finishes lend 1:72 models a much more realistic look.
Totally. There are some exceptions but as a general rule I think it holds.
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The key word here is “scaling” effect. That, IMO, is why satin or matt finishes lend 1:72 models a much more realistic look.
Thinking about it, I'm not even sure if "scaling effect" is the right phrase to use. Whenever I've come across a discussion about it, it's usually about adjusting the color to a lighter or darker shade or something like that. Matt or gloss finish isn't mentioned as a factor. I vaguely recall it mentioned, scale effect isn't relevant to 1/48 and larger scale models. I don't think many modeler's worry about it as it's bad enough trying to nail down the right color never mind factoring in a scale effect as well.
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Thinking about it, I'm not even sure if "scaling effect" is the right phrase to use. Whenever I've come across a discussion about it, it's usually about adjusting the color to a lighter or darker shade or something like that. Matt or gloss finish isn't mentioned as a factor. I vaguely recall it mentioned, scale effect isn't relevant to 1/48 and larger scale models. I don't think many modeler's worry about it as it's bad enough trying to nail down the right color never mind factoring in a scale effect as well.
I agree you see more discussion about the scaling effects of colour perception, but there is an effect on glossiness, too. Compare a model and the real thing side-by-side and both have the same glossy finish; the Sun is behind and above both of them from your point of view. In the model the glossy reflection of the Sun would probably cover it's entire length, whereas on the real thing it will be seen on a relatively small part of the object. So as a whole the model looks glossier than the real thing, and so its glossiness needs to be reduced to better represent how the real thing looks.

Matt is far from a perfect representation, but it's a lot closer than gloss for most examples, I reckon.
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Just thought of another related effect while in the shower!

Glossiness varies with distance - the farther away, the less glossy something appears. If you place a model on the wing of the real plane and both had the exact same glossy finish, that finish would indeed in that circumstance look the same if you ignore the larger reflections like that described in my last post. Now pick up the model and hold it in front of you at arm's length with the real plane behind it and keep stepping back until the model and real plane look identical in size. In this situation that finish won't look the same because there is much more distance between you and the real plane than there is you and the model. Since we generally view our models at a much closer distance than we do the real plane (certainly if we want to see the plane as a whole), the real thing will always look less glossy than the model and so the model requires a less glossy finish to better represent that appearance.
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wow feynman... you've got it down to a science with your depth of field analysis. me? i just like the satin/matte finish, that's all
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One more factor involved is that a less maintained aircraft, especially in a war time theater will not get the proper maintenance and the first thing you see is the weather of paint on aircraft over time. Especially with Navy and Marine aircraft.

The worse thing to deal with in cleaning aircraft is frankly bug hits. An incredible pain to clean up made easier by a good coat of paint. Constant washing as well produces micro scratches which also dull the finish. Have cost cuts and maintenance is cut including care on aircraft which has been huge on the current inventory as well. A museum finish is what is expected but it is difficult to maintain in the field over time.
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One more factor involved is that a less maintained aircraft, especially in a war time theater will not get the proper maintenance and the first thing you see is the weather of paint on aircraft over time. Especially with Navy and Marine aircraft.

The worse thing to deal with in cleaning aircraft is frankly bug hits. An incredible pain to clean up made easier by a good coat of paint. Constant washing as well produces micro scratches which also dull the finish. Have cost cuts and maintenance is cut including care on aircraft which has been huge on the current inventory as well. A museum finish is what is expected but it is difficult to maintain in the field over time.
That's a very valid point. You only just need to look at any airliner fresh out of the paint shop. It arrives with a lovely gloss finish but look at the same aircraft after several yeas and it's looking rather shabby in comparison and definitely closer to a matt finish even if it is getting the occasional wash.
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To add to Trip....when painting 1:1 aircraft a lot of painting aircraft is the preparation of the surfaces. The most common aircraft surface material is aluminum, steel, wood, and fiberglass. Whereas our critiquing of paint on Diecast planes...the surface material is zinc.

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One more factor involved is that a less maintained aircraft, especially in a war time theater will not get the proper maintenance and the first thing you see is the weather of paint on aircraft over time. Especially with Navy and Marine aircraft.

The worse thing to deal with in cleaning aircraft is frankly bug hits. An incredible pain to clean up made easier by a good coat of paint. Constant washing as well produces micro scratches which also dull the finish. Have cost cuts and maintenance is cut including care on aircraft which has been huge on the current inventory as well. A museum finish is what is expected but it is difficult to maintain in the field over time.
...or even factory fresh. Dragon did release models with weathered finish and non-weathered versions. heathpete makes a good point about airliners but it appears the "factory fresh expectation" comes into play again. As manufacturers such as Inflight, Gemini, JC Wings do their 1/200 airliner models in a gloss rather than matt finish.
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Couldn't vote because to me it varies according to whether the plane is supposed to be matt or gloss in real life. By & large I collect planes that have a matt finish. However, I have two gloss planes, a Skymax Jet Provost & a Dragon Warbirds Top Gun F-18B- & they both look spot-on realistic. Also, do natural metal finishes count as gloss, as metallic paints are displayed in the gloss paint racks in model shops, & are sold as such?
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do natural metal finishes count as gloss, as metallic paints are displayed in the gloss paint racks in model shops, & are sold as such?
Metallic paint in model shops is usually sold and classified as metallic... basically - you have your gloss, matt, satin and metallic
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However, I have two gloss planes, a Skymax Jet Provost & a Dragon Warbirds Top Gun F-18B- & they both look spot-on realistic.
Wil......You peaked my interest in the Top Gun F-18B. I had not known about it till you mentioned it. Lo and behold one was available on eBay. I Like the Black scheme, and since I live a few short miles of where Top Gun used to be..although I remember seeing Top Gun planes training, I never was near the airfield when the Black one may have been flying.

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