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Old 01-28-2015, 07:38 AM   #1
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Post them here. I'll start off, how come we haven't seem this Viper made yet ?

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you want new mould ideas or new scheme/variant ideas?
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Mostly new schemes. But variants of models already released would be acceptable.

The reason I came about this topic is after looking at all the Viper and Hornet schemes already done, not many of them were very interesting (well to me anyway).

I am just really surprised the above scheme hasn't been done by HM, it's got cool graphics down the side, bombing markings and it's an operational scheme
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As you know, I have a too large colletion. My want list based on existing moulds is quite small. I've excluded the e2 and vigi as those are in their infancy.

limiting the following to existing moulds 1/72 only and excluding the phantom for now

Hornet: just this one:



Dauntless (1/72):



and




worlds first jet ace seems like an obvious one. i wonder why corgi didnt think so:



another obvious one:







other SNJs/T6s also possible. the US was overwhelmingly the largest operator of the type, but the number and scope of releases is far, far, far from complete.


1/72 Hellcat:

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Speaking strictly for myself and for what I collect (WWII, 1:72)

I'd like to see a re-release of older schemes that are out of production than any newer ones. There are a lot of old schemes that are impossible to find these days like th Pearl Harbor Kates or Alex Vacriu's F6F-3.

And needless to say we need more moulds too as the pickings are few in WWII genre aside from Corgi.
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I would say that there are still many 1/72 mustangs and thunderbolts to be had, that being said there are also a few griffon engined spitfires that I would love to see.

I would love to see some more centennial of naval aviation birds, im surprised they are not more popular, and there are some quite interesting superhornets and growlers out there.

As for new moulds i would love to see russian aircraft better represented such as the su-25/27/30/35 and mig-15/29. I firmly believe that HM has yet to make the big cash cow mig-15 scheme so i would call that a fair chance.
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My favorite Wild Weasel please!
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I would say that there are still many 1/72 mustangs and thunderbolts to be had, that being said there are also a few griffon engined spitfires that I would love to see. I would love to see some more centennial of naval aviation birds, im surprised they are not more popular, and there are some quite interesting superhornets and growlers out there.
This is a HM "existing mould, new schemes" thread. HM has never made 1/72 mustangs, thunderbolts, not spitfires though in 1/48 surely there are many to be made and it's a shame that some of their thunderbolt choices in particular so far have been, well, bizarre. Between HM and witty, most of the doable centennial birds are done. Witty did the digital centennial bird beautifully while the HM scheme dumped badly since it just looked so very boring. HM has never done a superhornet/growler, though I think they will before too long once the witty stock dries out. When they do, I am all for a HM JR VF-103 superbug to replace my witty -15 bird which was hailed far and wide as a great model but i found to be just very, very average even by witty superbug standards.
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My JASDF collection needs these 2 Phantoms.





and all of these Eagles

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Hobby Master, please consider this E-2 for a future release. I've shown this to William a number of times already, but I'll post here.

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I'm a fan of MiG-21, so:







(Most of them are MiG-21bis but I don't think it has much difficult to make a MiG-21bis from a MiG-21MF mould).

And if these ones can be counted as "existing HM"





p/s: I hope they'll make stands that allow the inflight display with centerline fuel tank attached, too.

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My favorite Wild Weasel please!
If they do a Spangdahlem Weasel, I'm hoping for a Euro1 scheme like this one - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._F-4G_F16C.jpg
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My JASDF collection needs these 2 Phantoms.

and all of these Eagles
what, no Amigo Phantom?
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A night variant of the A-20 might be interesting.

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If they do a Spangdahlem Weasel, I'm hoping for a Euro1 scheme like this one - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._F-4G_F16C.jpg
Cool one, I say: do both!

Actually, HM has already done the one I have proposed, as their HA1981 1/72 McDonnell Douglas F-4G Wild Weasel 69-7582, 37 TFW, USA. But that one was of course in SEA camo.

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I'd like to see new schemes for 1/72 & 1/48:

South Vietnamese A-1 SkyRaider.
F6F-3N Hellcat.
British Pacific Fleet Avenger.
F4U Birdcage Corsair in Royal Navy colors
F4U Corsair Royal Navy with the small SEAC roundels.
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I'd like to see new schemes for 1/72 & 1/48:

South Vietnamese A-1 SkyRaider.
F6F-3N Hellcat.
British Pacific Fleet Avenger.
F4U Birdcage Corsair in Royal Navy colors
F4U Corsair Royal Navy with the small SEAC roundels.
all very sensible and decent suggestions. the first one in particular is pretty obvious, but I think HM's failure to sell its skymax south vietnam bearcats is what may have put them off.

likewise, while I'd certainly go for the FAA/RN stuff, HM must me smarting about how badly all their FAA/RN stuff sold before. Some of the original 1/72 hellcats are still available new in Britain and at one point they couldn't give the two 1/48 corsairs away - again, even in Britain.
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I love flying the Texans, the yellow livery is what I certified in myself. A great aircraft.
Been asking for a NASA F-18 FOREVER.
Finally, just really want to see HM start working on the National Guard F-16 liveries again. Preferably this one:

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Didn't know that about the British versions. Even with plastic models it's a pain to get a clipped wing Corsair, you have to cut the wing yourself. I figured they would be selling pretty well. I've bought 4 HM HellCat kits and built 3 out of 4 into FAA versions. I wish someone would do a MK III Seafire.
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Didn't know that about the British versions. Even with plastic models it's a pain to get a clipped wing Corsair, you have to cut the wing yourself. I figured they would be selling pretty well. I've bought 4 HM HellCat kits and built 3 out of 4 into FAA versions. I wish someone would do a MK III Seafire.
the HM 1/48 corsairs are available with clipped wings for the british ones that need it. this is an 'advantage' of the system where they made the outer wing panels in plastic. Franklin mint's RN corsairs also had clipped wings - so this is not really a big deal.

I'm surprised you bothered making RN corsairs from the Kits, as the major variatns are already more or less readily avalable on ebay. Of course, there are some variants that could be made, but still.

I also bought a number of the kits. however, in general, i realized that buying them is not that smart (even if i only paid GBP 3 for one and not more than GBP 7-10 for the rest). This is because it is just as easy to find a cheap, say, corgi hellcat which already has key parts like the canopy and prop painted. So, when I did for example my done F6F, i used the minisi iii as this got my a realistic dark blue undercoat without additional work. I wonder what I will do with the kits... honestly, I'm almost out of ideas except for even more exotica like the yellow drone one. As much as I love the hellcat, there just arent that many schemes to do that aren't covered with decent releases already (and things like uruguyan hellcats dont interest me).
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Nice suggestions, defo sign me up for the PLAAF J-2 and the Polish and Iraqi MiG-21's

All scales are welcome. At this point I'm focusing on jets but post your WWII wish lists as well, hopefully HM will see the error of their ways

Here three more for me:

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Site won't let me upload more then one at a time

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Nice suggestions, defo sign me up for the PLAAF J-2 and the Polish and Iraqi MiG-21's

All scales are welcome. At this point I'm focusing on jets but post your WWII wish lists as well, hopefully HM will see the error of their ways

Here three more for me:

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hey, how about UA MiG-21!

I am totally against that F-4 since i have the decals to do it myself . But seriously, I am baiscally waiting to see if HM will release that one. If they don't after a few years, then I may use the decals.

I actually have a candidate for "attractive, but pretty historically obscure/unimportant" phantom that i'd like to see:

great looking bird (note the stencils!)



your tomcatters hornet idea is fine too, but i already have that perfectly adequately in witty.
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the HM 1/48 corsairs are available with clipped wings for the british ones that need it. this is an 'advantage' of the system where they made the outer wing panels in plastic. Franklin mint's RN corsairs also had clipped wings - so this is not really a big deal.

I'm surprised you bothered making RN corsairs from the Kits, as the major variatns are already more or less readily avalable on ebay. Of course, there are some variants that could be made, but still.

I also bought a number of the kits. however, in general, i realized that buying them is not that smart (even if i only paid GBP 3 for one and not more than GBP 7-10 for the rest). This is because it is just as easy to find a cheap, say, corgi hellcat which already has key parts like the canopy and prop painted. So, when I did for example my done F6F, i used the minisi iii as this got my a realistic dark blue undercoat without additional work. I wonder what I will do with the kits... honestly, I'm almost out of ideas except for even more exotica like the yellow drone one. As much as I love the hellcat, there just arent that many schemes to do that aren't covered with decent releases already (and things like uruguyan hellcats dont interest me).
I have the HM RN/FAA Corsairs, along with the HM and Corgi Hellcats. Still looking for a Minsi III by Corgi. I should have went Diecast shopping instead of drinking and partying when I stayed in Brixton. The HM kits I made 1 drone then the others I bought the Yanks With Roundels #3 decal sheet and used them on the other 3. I'm cursed with buying almost every version/scheme of aircraft I like so my display is full of Hellcats, Corsairs, and Zero's.
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I have the HM RN/FAA Corsairs, along with the HM and Corgi Hellcats. Still looking for a Minsi III by Corgi. I should have went Diecast shopping instead of drinking and partying when I stayed in Brixton. The HM kits I made 1 drone then the others I bought the Yanks With Roundels #3 decal sheet and used them on the other 3. I'm cursed with buying almost every version/scheme of aircraft I like so my display is full of Hellcats, Corsairs, and Zero's.
I have all the hellcats too, plus all the Dragon wings ones . Just recently got the first two 1/32 hellcats. The vraciu one is very nice. The Minsi III one a little less so (QA issues on mine), but still excellent and highly recommended.

1/72 Corgi or HM minsi III are regularly available for cheap on ebay UK. it's a very common model as they overproduced.
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I didn't want to be biased but ok, this one would be nice

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The reason I pick that Phantom was because it was Marine Phantom, otherwise most post war Phantoms aren't very interesting enough to be considered

I know Witty has done those exact two schemes but I'd prefer a HM Super Hornet when it comes out believe it or not. Chances of these being done again..... rare but I'm hoping HM do more livelier schemes then they did with their Hornets and Vipers
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I prefer this scheme done by a modeller but I haven't seem a real life pic of it so not sure how accurate it is, one would think somewhat accurate when done by a modeller but hard for HM to reference if there's not much I to out there about it

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i second airwolf's jasdf's eagles suggestion... and perhaps the mount fuji scheme as well?
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Enough with the modern jet suggestions, let's get more WWII ideas.
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Oh i didn't see that it was HM only, and in relation to me talking about the Superhornes it is inevitable that HM will bring them out.
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A night variant of the A-20 might be interesting.

The P70 an older variant that does not match HM's current tooling, so not likely for the moment.

However there are some all black or semi black A20G/Js that HM have in the pipeline.
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Enough with the modern jet suggestions, let's get more WWII ideas.

Damn straight.

Could not agree more.

Although it must be said, I am keen to see some new toolings. Namely the early A20 and Hudson/Harpoon.
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My JASDF collection needs these 2 Phantoms.



and all of these Eagles

Yep, agree with the lot. Can't wait for HM version those F15s. I nearly purchased the Witty version a dozen times....but I held out in the HM will come to the party.

Its just a matter of time now.
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How do lads feel about a 1:32 Phantom??

I have been saying for an age the Pooch should release a 1:32 Lightning (something that apparently has been discussed at length at the Hound).

So a matching 1:32 tooling would be sweet and ya cannot be the old Spook.
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I heard from William that a F-15 Baz (don't know which variant) and more F-15Es will be coming soon.

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There's some interesting Aussie Hornet schemes left to do...

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I've got more photos and info on each if any of them generate interest...The 20th anniversary of RAAF F/A-18s is pretty striking, IMHO.
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That 2OCU Hornet is kewl.
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A-10 schemes...Not many more to choose from but the "Flipper" scheme looks pretty sweet. Hard to find real photos of though!

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BTW - Anyone know why HM have given up on the Mirage 2000? They haven't made one on the 2-3 years I've been collecting. I'd personally love to see a couple more French Desert Storm birds. Yes, they've done both the blue and desert cam schemes before, but it was many, many years ago and they're now going for stupid prices on eBay so there's clearly demand out there...One possibility...

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BTW - Anyone know why HM have given up on the Mirage 2000? They haven't made one on the 2-3 years I've been collecting. I'd personally love to see a couple more French Desert Storm birds. Yes, they've done both the blue and desert cam schemes before, but it was many, many years ago and they're now going for stupid prices on eBay so there's clearly demand out there...One possibility...
I seem to remember a quote from AC Pilot some time ago about licensing problems with Dassault concerning HMs Mirages.
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I seem to remember a quote from AC Pilot some time ago about licensing problems with Dassault concerning HMs Mirages.
Ah. That's a real shame. Seems odd - surely Dassault making money and promoting their brand with one of the most respected modelling companies in the world would be a pretty straight forward decision to make. Not that there is anything straightforward about licensing.
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I seem to remember a quote from AC Pilot some time ago about licensing problems with Dassault concerning HMs Mirages.
doesn't seem to have stopped altaya or falcon.
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I seem to remember a quote from AC Pilot some time ago about licensing problems with Dassault concerning HMs Mirages.
That was the line that someone came out with... yet a fledgling company like Falcon was able to release the Mirage III... something doesn't ring true

I regret selling my one and only HM Mirage 2000
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Old 01-29-2015, 07:20 AM   #47
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BTW - Anyone know why HM have given up on the Mirage 2000? They haven't made one on the 2-3 years I've been collecting. I'd personally love to see a couple more French Desert Storm birds. Yes, they've done both the blue and desert cam schemes before, but it was many, many years ago and they're now going for stupid prices on eBay so there's clearly demand out there...One possibility...

Unfortunately, "stupid prices on ebay" don't usually tell the demand story of diecast airplanes. This only tells you what marginal demand is, and that's quite different to overall demand.

Diecast airplanes are unique in that there are two types of sellers:
- Sellers who will generally sell at the market clearing price (retailers)
- Sellers who have high inertia against selling at any price (collectors)

We've seen this many, many times: when they were first released, the mirages that now go for high prices "dumped." Those blue and sand french mirages were selling for well under $20 in some cases, new from retailers who would rather take a small loss than a 'big' loss of holding on to dead stock. Eventually, they all ended up in collector hands and then...

and then collectors hold on to them because they are, after all, collectors.

only relatively rarely does a collector want to get rid of one of these since nothing better in mirage2000s has come along. so, in the rare time one does, the prices on ebay can go crazy, even if the total demand at such prices is really just a few individuals.

we've seen in the past situations like this:

CW releases black aces F-14. It first sells for retail price or cheaper, but soon is out of stock. Aftermarket prices on ebay after a while go through the roof. CW releases a virtually identical model. It dumps. (though now enough time has passed that the cycle can coninue).

there are many cases like this.

I am not against re-releases - i'm just saying that you have to be careful differentiating marginal demand from actual demand.
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Fair call, FortunateSon. You're right, of course. It's hardly something a manufacture could hang their hat on as far as volume of demand goes, but it does suggest there's some specific interest out there.
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Fair call, FortunateSon. You're right, of course. It's hardly something a manufacture could hang their hat on as far as volume of demand goes, but it does suggest there's some specific interest out there.
yes, indeed I'm sure there's interest, just as there is interest in nearly all releases. it's bound to build up. the question is how much.

like i think CW is pretty silly for not releasing another JR tomcat at this point in the classic scheme. clearly, a whole run would be bought up since it's been several years since the non-special black/yellow ones were available.

mirages? not sure. i loved HM mirage 2000's from the moment i set eyes on them, but the issue now is that if you release a new one, which would it be that would attract a substantial number of purchasers? lord knows there are a ton of special and tiger schemes, but i think you're looking for a regular one, presumably grey. would it sell out? maybe. hard to say.

By contrast, a showtime 102 phantom is a no brainer for HM and you just have to be asking "what the hell are they doing?" other than apparently waiting for air commander to release one and ruin their market. and corgi's just being torpid by not releasing a b-17 that people want, namely, little miss mischief.

i think that quite a number of retailers have in the last few years started a new strategy of 'holding back', on the theory that if they get through the 'dump' phase that their stock can then be sold near or even above rrp later on. it's probably not a bad strategy, but when a lot of retailers happen upon it at once, as i think has happened, i'm not sure they win that much or they have to be prepared to play a long game. jumblies and cheltenhammodels in the uk both do this to some degree. additionally, there are probably quite a few private sellers who do this with CW tomcats as they're seen as one-way bets.

the real mystery is the lack of self-discipline of HM. They continuously shoot themselves in the foot with 'split runs.' Virtually every 1/48 aricraft in recent memory has been subject to a "one good / one derivative" split run recently where the derivative one bombed / dumped. Really.. there are too many too name, and they show no signs of stopping with the today-announced sure-to-dump 'missouri mauler.' I guess warehousing must be prohibitive in china, as all they really need to do is hold on to the split runs for about 2-3 years (and choose better liveries where possible for them) and their sales would increase dramatically. Maybe, just maybe, DoDo doesn't need to be released a few months after Jersey Jerk. Maybe just maybe, the market doesn't need two bunker hill corsairs or. Maybe, just maybe, if they spent that little extra on both making the second model better / more differentiate and had the disipline to wait a bit before releasing them, all would do better.

but hey, i guess it's good for the financially strapped collector who doesn't mind the "DoDo"s, "Hairless Joes", and "Scat VIs" of the world (or is it "Boomerang" that is the dump one? Ah, they both dumped).
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I'd love to see another Avenger release in the later RCN colours to go with my Witty Sea Fury. Does anybody know what the modification is on the side of 388 there? Or under the nose? I see there's an extra bubble on the top of the canopy too. I assume it all has to do with maritime surveillance, but I'm certainly no expert on that stuff.














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