Not to disparage the model, but this looks like HA3702 with 1960’s era markings.
Any chance of convincing William to produce the rare EF-101B???
Patience, I'm told the all black EF-101B is coming - but requires some tooling changes if you want an accurate replica.
I think this RCAF release is about as different from HA3702 as you can get for an operational Canadian scheme - Natural Metal finish, RCAF titles vs Canadian Armed Forces, Red Ensign Flag, Large original "Silver Maple Leaf" Roundel on the fuselage, earlier "B" Model without an infrared seeker above the radome, full Red and White rudder stripes. A real "looker" to be sure!
Ex USAF F-101B-120-MC s/n 59-450 delivered to the RCAF, Nov 1, 1961, 410 Sqn, Station Uplands, Ontario. Transferred (date unknown) to 416 Sqn Chatham NB till 1968. After integration transferred back to 410 Sqn CFB Bagotville, PQ. May 7, 1971 struck off and returned to USAF and converted to RF-101B. Sent to MASDC (Military Aircraft Storage and Disposal Center) as FF284 Feb 13, 1975. Declared excess Oct 13, 1975. To Allied Aircraft, Tucson AZ Jan 18, 1980 for storage then disposal.
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I'll have this one on pre-order as soon as they have it available.
I have all the Voodoos except the previous 2 (HA3707 and 08). They were just too similar to 3 of the previous ones. This is a great departure, and I hope we see a USAF bmf livery soon as well.
Dan. Do you think they could do some color variation on the exhaust, or will it most likely be like all the previous releases?
O.K., here are the latest corrections to the four view drawing.
1) The "RCAF style" of the numbers (#450) along the fuselage was not quite correct. In particular the "0" needed to be more square.
2) The Canopy has now been outlined in a brass metal colour. The Canopy trim can appear yellow after many years of use due to discolouration of the sealant used (i.e. HA3702). However, #17450 was newly delivered so a brass like metal colour is correct.
Aircraft #405 (Same numbers):
3) Clarification - The anti-glare panel on the nose is FLAT BLACK, and the nose radome is GLOSS BLACK in colour.
4) There is a metal ring between the nose radome and where it attaches to the aircraft. This appears to be close to the same colour as the brass canopy trim and is definitely not the same colour as the fuselage.
5) For Scott (Skinner67) - The last stage (afterburner) of the engine exhaust is now painted a darker colour to give some additional detail.
Thanks Dan. I like the way HM did the aft fuselage of the Hun. If they could add a little detail to aft portions of the engines on the 101, I think it would look great. Adding the darker end looks very nice and seems enough for me though.
Are they doing 405 or 450? I personally think the number 405 looks better, but that's just personal preference.
The Z formed by the red and white pin striping seems too high or long vertically. Should the top of the "Z" be lower. I am comparing the distance between it and the top of the intake and the bottom of the canopy as well as looking at the spacing between the Royal Canadian Air Force lettering and the pin stripe and the top of the fuselage.
All looks good except for the metal ring behind the radome. I think it should be aluminum and not brass.
I've been looking at photos of Canadian Voodoos all morning and I can't find one with a brass nose ring.
Yes, I was beginning to second guess myself on that concerning the nose ring (for lack of a better term). I originally came across a photo where the trim around the canopy and the nose ring appeared to be the same colour - but I believe that particular photo is questionable now.
On the second batch of Voodoos (post 1971) the ring appears to be more silver than the first batch (1961-1971) but perhaps aluminum would be a better representation that would still contrast with the silver on the fuselage. I will ask Hobby Master to switch the ring back to aluminum.
Dan
Below, not the best of photos colour wise - but the nose ring and the canopy trim are different. I know that the brass colour is correct for the canopy trim - but not sure if aluminum or gun metal would be best for the nose ring (definitely not silver though). Note it is probably just this photo that makes the anti glare panel appear to be almost olive drab - however I have confirmed that it is black on the subject aircraft #450.
Thanks Dan. I like the way HM did the aft fuselage of the Hun. If they could add a little detail to aft portions of the engines on the 101, I think it would look great. Adding the darker end looks very nice and seems enough for me though.
Are they doing 405 or 450? I personally think the number 405 looks better, but that's just personal preference.
The Z formed by the red and white pin striping seems too high or long vertically. Should the top of the "Z" be lower. I am comparing the distance between it and the top of the intake and the bottom of the canopy as well as looking at the spacing between the Royal Canadian Air Force lettering and the pin stripe and the top of the fuselage.
It will be 450 as it is from 410 Squadron with the red and white rudder stripes.
The Lightning flash is reasonable given a comparison of the drawing and a photo of #450. Perhaps the part of the flash to the right of the roundel (bottom of the "Z") may be angled upwards a bit on the drawing. However, this may be just a side effect of comparing a 2D Drawing with a 3D photo.
That's looking pretty good to me. Nice work, everyone! Thanks, Dan, for diligently working together with William to get these Canadian releases as accurate as possible.
Here is the latest revision on the artwork (Number 8 actually - I think Hobby Master's Graphic Artist is ready to shoot me on sight!).
Skinner67 mentioned that the Lightning Stripe did not look correct and he was right.
In fact the Lightning Stripe actually slopes slightly downwards from the back of the aircraft towards the front. This is reflected on the Official RCAF Drawings of the time and I have also found a photo that shows this to good effect. The overall result is that the distance between the upper and lower stripes is now less and reflects reality.
Thanks for your diligence Dan. I feel for their artist. He is doing a great job as well. We may have to send him a case of Molson for his troubles. It seems like the more you are involved in a project, the better it does on the market.
Are they ready to slap some paint on one yet? I'm really anticipating the pre-pros on this one.
Thanks for your diligence Dan. I feel for their artist. He is doing a great job as well. We may have to send him a case of Molson for his troubles. It seems like the more you are involved in a project, the better it does on the market.
Are they ready to slap some paint on one yet? I'm really anticipating the pre-pros on this one.
Probably not in production just yet.
William told me once that the total process takes about 45 days to complete once it goes into production. So probably next month before we see the Pre pros.
William did mention that the first HM project that I was fairly involved with (the first Canadian CF-18 release) sold more than any of their other F/A-18s.
I was also pleased to see the CF-18B that I suggested and advised on sold out at the Factory in a single day (which had not happened before).
William did mention that the first HM project that I was fairly involved with (the first Canadian CF-18 release) sold more than any of their other F/A-18s.
I was also pleased to see the CF-18B that I suggested and advised on sold out at the Factory in a single day (which had not happened before).
Dan
You are doing a fantastic job Dan. Please keep it up.
Speaking of the CF-18B. I missed it on the first go round but the Mule seemed to get some in stock about a month back and I was able to get one. They still have a few in stock if anyone was trying to get one
Speaking of the CF-18B. I missed it on the first go round but the Mule seemed to get some in stock about a month back and I was able to get one. They still have a few in stock if anyone was trying to get one
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HA3709 CF-101B Voodoo 17450, No. 410 Squadron RCAF Station Uplands early 1960s
THIS RELEASE IS COMPLETELY SOLD OUT AT THE FACTORY. SO WHEN
RETAILERS SELL OUT THERE AREN'T ANY MORE TO BE HAD. SOME
RETAILERS ARE REPORTING THEY ARE SOLD OUT WITH PRE-ORDERS.
Hi there, I really like the Voodoo but have not yet seen a version I want to buy.
How about this one as an option, keep those of us in the Uk and Europe happy. F-101F 56-0312
Hi there, I really like the Voodoo but have not yet seen a version I want to buy.
How about this one as an option, keep those of us in the Uk and Europe happy. F-101F 56-0312
Seen at RAF Alconbury in 1986
Regards,
Yonny
I'm guessing that the above would be an airframe used for battle damage repair training. The 101 was not in active service with the USAF in 1986.
I have to confess, that out of all the pre-orders I have done (and there are a few, including Hilda, Vulcan and B17), this is up there as the model that I am most looking forward to join my hanger.
I hope and hope they do a decent job with the NMF.
Noob question, is Flying Mule generally the cheapest place to buy this? Seems even with the shipping, it's cheaper than Modeler's Choice in the Hammer..
Noob question, is Flying Mule generally the cheapest place to buy this? Seems even with the shipping, it's cheaper than Modeler's Choice in the Hammer..
Usually The Flying Mule and Pete's Collectibles are the cheapest when using the pre-order coupon codes.
Noob question, is Flying Mule generally the cheapest place to buy this? Seems even with the shipping, it's cheaper than Modeler's Choice in the Hammer..
I find the same thing. However by the time you add shipping and exchange rate, the price is very close. Recently picked up the latest Falcon CAF grey T-33 from Modellers Choice. When I opened up the box the nose wheel was missing. A quick call to Modellers Choice and they put another one aside and no problem with the exchange. This is not the first time I have had a problem with a Falcon model. Not advertising for them but they do provide a good service and I have always received my pre-orders. Try that with an online company out of country...return postage alone. Yikes.
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I find the same thing. However by the time you add shipping and exchange rate, the price is very close. Recently picked up the latest Falcon CAF grey T-33 from Modellers Choice. When I opened up the box the nose wheel was missing. A quick call to Modellers Choice and they put another one aside and no problem with the exchange. This is not the first time I have had a problem with a Falcon model. Not advertising for them but they do provide a good service and I have always received my pre-orders. Try that with an online company out of country...return postage alone. Yikes.
My dad encountered the same problem with his grey T-33. He just contacted Falcon directly and they responded immediately and sent one out.
Although a very minor detail - I have confirmed with Hobby Master that the pilot flight suits will be painted an appropriate blue colour.
Dan
Not to get to picky.
Any colour pictures from the late 50's early 60's the RCAF flight suits appear to be light grey in colour.
Picture taken in 1959 suits look light grey.
On the other hand I also found winter shot where the flight suit was very dark. Almost a charcoal grey.
Then again another taken in 1963, in front of a CF-101, showing both colours. One on the left looks more dark grey than blue. One on the right definitely light grey. Did the RCAF have light summer, dark winter, flying gear?
Also have a colour picture of my Dad in RCAF flight suit, jacket and forge cap from 1960. His flight suit looks light gray and his RCAF forge cap looks blue.
According to my Dad the RCAF/CAF switched to the dark green (winter)/tan (summer) flying suits after integration in 1968. While I was serving I didn't see the blue flight suit till after 1987 when the Air Force switched back to the blue uniforms.
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Any colour pictures from the late 50's early 60's the RCAF flight suits appear to be light grey in colour.
Trust me they're Blue (There is a grey base to the blue with a hint of purple actually). Over time they would tend to look more grey as they faded. Old compromised colour photographs tend to show these as grey or something else entirely.
Originally the RAF received it's own separate uniforms in 1918 when the Royal Flying Corps (RFC) of the British Army formed into the Separate service RAF.
The history is interesting. During World War I, the Czarist Russian Army had ordered material from Britain for their uniforms - but the Bolshevik revolution put an end to that. The end result was a warehouse full of unused Blue/Grey material that came to be used as the colour for the RAF (and subsequently the RCAF in 1924).
There was a Summer/Winter RCAF uniform at the time your Dad was in service. The Summer Uniform was lighter weight material and was Tan in colour. The Winter Uniform was Blue/Gey..
When the forces were unified in 1968 all three services adopted a green uniform (including green flight suits for the former RCAF aircrew). Later a Tan Flight Suit was added for Summer conditions. In 1984 when the Mulroney Conservative Government was elected they promised to provide separate uniforms for the former three services. The Air Force (Air Command) element received an entirely new bighter blue colour for their uniforms and flight suits - not the original colour used before).
I know that the blue (with a hint of purple) colour is correct for the Canadian RCAF Voodoo Squadrons in early 1960s. When I was a Pilot in the Canadian Air Force during the early 1990s, several senior officers still had their flight jackets from when they served on the Voodoo Squadrons before 1968. They were blue and they also had a touch of purple (noticeable because they differed from the newly issued blue flight suits and jackets introduced in 1987).
Although a very minor detail - I have confirmed with Hobby Master that the pilot flight suits will be painted an appropriate blue colour.
Dan
Well finally opened my 101 for display. Very nice model indeed.
A minor point though. My pilot/nav figures seemed to be the standard figures, with olive drab flight suits, that come with their other models. ACpilot I noticed your pictures in your review post that your pilot/nav figures also have the olive drab colour suits. Did HM not have the appropriate blue colour promised?
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Well finally opened my 101 for display. Very nice model indeed.
A minor point though. My pilot/nav figures seemed to be the standard figures, with olive drab flight suits, that come with their other models. ACpilot I noticed your pictures in your review post that your pilot/nav figures also have the olive drab colour suits. Did HM not have the appropriate blue colour promised?
Yes, the promised blue flight suits didn't make it into production.
In my review I mention it as one of my OCD details I can live without.
Bought mine today too. Easily one of my favorite models in my collection. Got the Golden Hawk Sabre on hold at a local shop too. I'll pick that up this week.
Hobby Master HA3709 RCAF CF-101B Voodoo, RCAF Station Uplands (Ottawa) 1962
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