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Old 03-27-2013, 04:24 PM   #1
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Default I want a diecast 1:72 scale MiG-25 Foxbat!

Anybody know if there exists a diecast model MiG-25 Foxbat in 1:72 scale, preferably with detachable ordnance load outs and in a Russian paint scheme? If there aren't any available, will a manufacturer eventually produce some?
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Old 03-27-2013, 05:48 PM   #2
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Very high on my Want List as well. I missed out on the Altaya Mig-31, which may be as close as we get.
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Old 03-27-2013, 06:26 PM   #3
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A small start up company called Red Falcon was planning a whole series of 1:72nd scale Soviet jets, starting with the Mig-23, which got to the pre-pro stage. Unfortunately, Red Falcon ran out of funding and folded. At present, the only diecast version of the Mig-25 is available from the DeAgostini publisher subscription series but this is a very crude replica in about half the size you desire. As for any company eventually making a quality version of the Mig-25 in 1:72nd, it's possible that Hobby Master might try such a venture, but only if it tries a Mig-17 or 23 and gets a good sales response. I rate the prospects of this happening as doubtful, leaving a future, Altaya-style, low quality replica as the only realistic prospect.
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:02 PM   #4
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The last time I contacted William he wasn't exactly all for doing more Russian planes. I think MiG-15 and MiG-21 is all we're going to see from HM.
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How much do you figure it would cost the average joe to put a plane into production? I'd be really curious to see the financial end of Hobbymaster, etc. Seems like there would be enough collectors for one of us enthusiasts to commission a model and make a little bit of money on it.
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I find it hard to believe that soviet models are in low demand, every forum I've read always has few people interested in them.

Now if HM can make the T-4, T-2 / F-1, F-2 and F-CK-1, which in my opinion, would be for a very limited asian market, surely soviet models that appeal to alot more collectors would do well.

HM, just want to produce more low vis F-18's, F-16's and SEA F-4's, that's their cash cows and use the fact that they did a few really average MiG schemes (god only knows why they did some of them) as a reason to not venture into more soviet models

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Old 03-28-2013, 07:34 AM   #7
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Now if HM can make the T-4, T-2 / F-1, F-2 and F-CK-1, which in my opinion, would be for a very limited asian market, surely soviet models that appeal to alot more collectors would do well.
I suspect the Japanese and Taiwanese distributors wanted HM to make those planes, kinda like Emirates asking Gemini to do the models they want.
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I guess so, it was good of them to get some unusual models into the market but theres nothing more unusual then soviet aircraft lol
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How much do you figure it would cost the average joe to put a plane into production? I'd be really curious to see the financial end of Hobbymaster, etc. Seems like there would be enough collectors for one of us enthusiasts to commission a model and make a little bit of money on it.
This comes up from time to time and the answer is that starting from scratch, you need something like $200,000-300,000 to get all of the toolings and sub molds designed and made for a quality diecast model of, say, a Mig-23. Then, you have to make the models, paint and detail them, package them and ship them to your distributors around the world. In other words, a start up requires a lot more funding that is realized. On the other hand, if a vendor did a pre-sell on a custom order using a new scheme for an existing tooling, the start up costs are far less. The problem is that many of these small orders are of little interest to the Chinese factories, who often delay their production way beyond what is reasonable and make careless errors. One still sees such limited editions sponsored by vendors, but not as often as in the past, due, in part, to the attendant problems in getting them completed and, frankly, the relatively small payout, even if there is a full sell out.
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This comes up from time to time and the answer is that starting from scratch, you need something like $200,000-300,000 to get all of the toolings and sub molds designed and made for a quality diecast model of, say, a Mig-23. Then, you have to make the models, paint and detail them, package them and ship them to your distributors around the world. In other words, a start up requires a lot more funding that is realized. On the other hand, if a vendor did a pre-sell on a custom order using a new scheme for an existing tooling, the start up costs are far less. The problem is that many of these small orders are of little interest to the Chinese factories, who often delay their production way beyond what is reasonable and make careless errors. One still sees such limited editions sponsored by vendors, but not as often as in the past, due, in part, to the attendant problems in getting them completed and, frankly, the relatively small payout, even if there is a full sell out.
Wow, good information, thanks.
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I guess so, it was good of them to get some unusual models into the market but theres nothing more unusual then soviet aircraft lol
As a frequent poster on numerous forums, I frequently start threads and display pictures about warbirds from all countries. I must say that of all of the major powers, you get the least response about Soviet and Japanese planes and the most about U.S., German and, to a lesser, extent British aircraft. I'm not talking about minor differences. As a rule. a thread about Japanese or Soviet warbirds----including unusual subjects that should be of interest to aviation buffs-----get barely a quarter of the views that are accorded to threads about U.S. and German birds and even less when it comes to replies, comments, feedback, etc. I'm not sure why this is. It might reflect ignorance about Japanese and Soviet aircraft and accomplishments or it may be due to some sort of bias.
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Love to see a Mig-25 in 1:72 scale, along with a Mig-23/27, SU-24, SU-17/20/22, SU-25 or Mig-31 along with others from Russia. Would prefer them over IDF/AF scheme aircraft.
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Love to see a Mig-25 in 1:72 scale, along with a Mig-23/27, SU-24, SU-17/20/22, SU-25 or Mig-31 along with others from Russia. Would prefer them over IDF/AF scheme aircraft.
I'd take all of them, especially the Mig-25. Add a Su-15 too, along with a MiG-19 and a Yak-28 !
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How much do you figure it would cost the average joe to put a plane into production? I'd be really curious to see the financial end of Hobbymaster, etc. Seems like there would be enough collectors for one of us enthusiasts to commission a model and make a little bit of money on it.
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This comes up from time to time and the answer is that starting from scratch, you need something like $200,000-300,000 to get all of the toolings and sub molds designed and made for a quality diecast model of, say, a Mig-23. Then, you have to make the models, paint and detail them, package them and ship them to your distributors around the world. In other words, a start up requires a lot more funding that is realized. On the other hand, if a vendor did a pre-sell on a custom order using a new scheme for an existing tooling, the start up costs are far less. The problem is that many of these small orders are of little interest to the Chinese factories, who often delay their production way beyond what is reasonable and make careless errors. One still sees such limited editions sponsored by vendors, but not as often as in the past, due, in part, to the attendant problems in getting them completed and, frankly, the relatively small payout, even if there is a full sell out.

Maybe a CROWD-FUNDING campaign on Kickstarter, Indiegogo, GoFundMe, etc. would be ideal for this purpose?

I actually emailed both Kickstarter and Indiegogo and both said raising funds for campaign on their sites is totally acceptable according to their rules.
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Old 03-08-2015, 03:11 PM   #16
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As I mentioned earlier in this thread, this idea comes up periodically and then dies away rather quickly. However, if one were to get, say, 2000 collectors, somehow, to agree to fund a start-up tooling of a plane like the MIG-23, and accept one scheme as their choice, plus be willing to pay up front, sight unseen, I think that this miracle would cause HM to at least consider undertaking such a venture. You would have to get each founding collector to pay into an escrow account, at an average price of, say, $65 per plane, which would be a discount over the anticipated retail price of, say, $75. Naturally I would talk to HM first, before undertaking such a difficult venture and get its agreement---if a certain amount of firmly committed dollars were obtained.

To be honest, I doubt that 100 collectors could be recruited in this manner, not 2000. But, I could be wrong.
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If you were serious, you or could go with a crowd funding site to get commitments to a model start up. Heck, for those molds that I was not sure about as a model company owner, it would be a great way to fund the cost to make something new. Donate funds with the caveat that if the total is raised, it is a go ahead and if not, the funds refund back.

Sites like Indiegogo would be a great way for some die cast to crowd source the funds needed to do such.
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To be honest, I doubt that 100 collectors could be recruited in this manner, not 2000. But, I could be wrong.
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I think models of the rarer Soviet jets are kind of one-trick ponies to collectors. People will say "I'd like one", not saying I'd like MiG-25s of all operators, or all different units, etc. For a company like HM this will be far less attractive than making an F-4, or F-16.

I'm eager to see how the Vigilante will hold up, as in a sense it's quite comparable to a Foxbat. Not many people will collect a whole fleet of these. Just one to represent the type. And the Vigilante is a jet that has flown in Vietnam and there are many different squadrons to be represented, meaning lots of variants in markings at least. Sizewise it will be a showstopper, but just like a MiG-25 I doubt it will be a big cash cow for HM.
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In the discussions I have been having with those who know some background it seems that the costs for a run of 1000 units of a 1/200 airliner [using an existing mold] is on the order of 40 or 50 dollars per unit landed at your door - then their is the distribution costs etc. I concur with Richards comments on any of the big bird models like the Hawkeye and Vigi I will buy 1, not likely 2 of more of each. Would I buy a good Mig-25, 27, 31 or Su-34 - one each for sure but not 12 different liveries.

The other thing that must be in HM's mind is Air Force 1 seems to be mirroring their release(s) - they have an E-2C in 1/72 due out shortly according to their web site
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