ct2399

I know this topic has been touched a few times already and I'm pretty sure there will be many of you who'll have the same reaction..."not this again" but it's just amazing to see the prices you can find on Ebay now a days...for example...I wrote "hogan 1:400" and hit search...got a bunch of results, some nice models I must say...but at the same time I found some crazy prices like for example, the Atlas Air 747-8 1/400 for $119.99 + $16.99 for shipping...that's insane! I got my Atlas Air 747-8 and I did not even pay $30 with shipping included...I know that Ebay has nothing to do with the pricing, but there should be something done...I mean, something like a "pricing cap" on models...I know I'm asking for too much but it's just an idea...

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Garuda747400

heres a example of schill bidding , dont bid and dont encourage it

i bid on this model and lost out which was fair enough but the very next day its back on ebay, when i asked why it was listed again i was told because she wasnt selling for that price, she should stop wasteing peoples time with 99 cent start and just get to the point,

Qantas Airways B747-400 Wunala Dreaming Dragon Wings - eBay (item 160381394293 end time Dec-01-09 19:45:37 PST)

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Scottish_DC-10

To be honest, on Ebay I don`t bid until the last 5 seconds - I have superfast DSL and can get away with that. Problem is collectors get in a bidding war and the prices go SKY High, when they should set their realistic limit and bid in the last few seconds! I also set my limit, if I don`t win, there will be another along I`m sure! Example, I got a model whose average was around $80 for under $10, it also helped being incorrectly listed, spelling mistakes, etc! There are some sellers who shall remain unamed who take the P*ss claiming models are rare when they are not, and set the prices at crazily high levels on buy it now, I don`t encourage them. They just take advantage of collectors desperate to get their hands on certain models, and they probably frequent these forums to see who is after what, they then post one available on Ebay, Trap Set...! Fair enough make some money, but not at the expense of genuine collectors.

Give us a good deal, we`ll probably come back and buy from you again. This does not apply to all Ebay sellers by the way, just a handfull!

Just my Tuppence!

United Airlines DC-10

I just won 3 Gemini's for under 6 dollars each... However the shipping costs more than the FREAKING planes! Oh, and the seller is sending them domestically from New Hampshire to North Carolina.

ct2399

That's the point tho...for example, the Qantas 747 that is listed for $0.99 to start has a shipping cost of almost $14.00. So in some cases the seller can get away with it because half the time people only see the cost of the item and don't bother to look at the shipping price. And in some other cases, the shipping cost is not even listed so they can catch you at the end when you have already won the item...I guess it helps when you establish good communications with the sellers so they can see you're serious about purchasing you desired item.

The majority of my models have come from Ebay and let me tell you, upto now I have no complaints from the sellers I've done business with. As a matter of fact I keep going back to the same people.

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gospodin

Why would you want to put a cap on what the seller is asking for? If it's too much for you, don't bid on it. I sure wouldn't like it if I wanted to sell a model for a certain amount, and knew someone would buy it, only to be told I had to ask for less. If I want to sell a PX V-Australia 777 1/400 for $150, and somebody actually paid for it, I'd be ecstatic. But hidden fees, like excessive shipping fees, should be disclosed at the start of bidding, I agree. Nothing like getting a model for a bargain price and finding out you'll be raped on shipping.

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ct2399

You got a point Steve...if you have a model that can go for $150.00 then more power to you...but what I meant about the "cap" is the exaggerated prices you find on Ebay...I mean, come on...$120.00 for a model that you can easily purchase it from the company's website without having to bid on it for less than $30??? I guess it's just me then...heck...for $120.00 I can get 4 models and I'm pretty sure they'll throw in a free pen...lol

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Yeah, the seller won't even change his price. On USPS.com I found a price less than half of his! I'm considering filing a claim with Ebay. It is unacceptable to profit off of shipping.

gospodin

EBay catches the noobs on those huge prices. Those that have been collecting awhile know better. Can you imagine how excited one of these guys is to win this, then a few days later he opens the package...and that's all there is for his money. Then he sees the same model go up again on bid for $9.99 with no takers. Hee heee!

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ct2399

You know UA-DC10...that happened to me a while ago, I paid close to $10 for shipping and when I received the model, the USPS label was less than $6...but I thought there was nothing I could do about that...

Scottish-DC10 has a good way of going about things...there have been a few times that I've done the same thing...I wait until I have less than 10 seconds to make my move. But at the same time I've lost a few chances because of this.

In order for you to deal with Ebay you have to have a great deal of patience...lol

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goldy

The last time that someone dictated what the price of something would be both collusion and Socialism broke out. Free of restraint trade is one of the founding principals of Capitalism.

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goldy

Shipping and handling. Shipping was $6.00 while handling, the cost of the box, tape, packing, time to assemble and pack the box, and then drive it to the post office is handling. How or why would you deny someone the cost of doing business?

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The more I read from you the more I understand what you do not seem to understand about free trade and marketing. Because something is offered for sale for $120.00 does not mean that someone will opt to purchase it at that price. It will only sell for and hence the value of that item is established if someone actually purchases said item for that price. Otherwise at $120.00 it shall remain a dust collector on someone's shelf.

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Sigh the drama continues, the arrogant seller I'm dealing with won't give in. He insists that his shipping charge is fair and he won't accept the fee that I quoted from USPS. So he brings up EBay's 3 strike rule and says that if I don't pay for the models I will be Ebanned. This then led me to file a claim with EBay.

I'll let you guys know what becomes of this and if you are intrested with the sellers name PM me.

N1011

So you are saying that you agreed to the auction terms and now are changing them based on saving a few dollars for shipping?

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gospodin

I send packages at cost of shipping, but that's just me. If someone wants to tack a few bucks for their trouble and shipping material, I don't have a problem with that. It's those who ship an item that would normally cost $5-$6 postage for $15-$20 that bother me. That's excessive. $10 is at the limit of acceptable, more and it's taking advantage...but once again, only if it isn't posted. If they post $20 to ship, I wouldn't bid. That's why I stopped bidding on junk from overseas. I've seen postal rates as high as $25 for one 1/400 model.

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Ahhh, more like $11 dollars. The total for the 3 1:400 scale models I bought was $17.80. He is trying to charge me $18.18 to ship them from NH to NC. I also asked if he combined shipping, his response: Yes. He did not combine shipping and is charging an exuberant fee.

gospodin

Sounds like a guy who's trying to make up the loss he took on the models. If he told you he combines shipping, what was his original cost to ship one model? And what kind of discount was he offering on additional models? If he charges $10 for one model, and $4 for each additional model, that would be about $18 (don't know where the $.18 comes from, though).

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Here are the items I bought and their respective shipping prices(All 1:400 scale Gemini's)

Winning Bid the the shipping fee.

United Airlines 757-200: $6.70 $11.18

US Airways 757-200: $5.70 $11.18

US Airways A320: $4.95 $11.18

$11.18 seems a bit to much for 3 1:400 scale models...

N1011

Report him....that's ridiculous and outright robbery if shipping via USPS....

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Yeah, thanks for the support. I would be more than fine paying $11.18 for all 3, but $11.18 PER model seemed ridiculous. I understand you are an Ebay seller aswell?

N1011

Yep, Combined shipping policy posted in Bold Print in the description which would be $9.50 for 3 models and BTW, I spend about $60.00 a week on shipping supplies....

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$60.00 a week? That's quite a few sales.

I already have atleast 1 of the models I bid on, however they were just so cheap I had to bid, it seems asthough the seller doesn't like the fact that nobody else bid on them.

Do you know what Ebay will do in a situation such as this?

Garuda747400

United Airlines 757-200: $6.70 $11.18 total $17.88

US Airways 757-200: $5.70 $11.18 total $16.88

US Airways A320: $4.95 $11.18 total $16.13

should give you a decent rate on shipping , but at these bargain prices whos robbing who, i just paid $28AUD for 1 AC 747 from australia - uk i know thats a rip off because a guy just sent me a model recorded for $18AUD but considering i got the model at a bargain price im not to bothered, if you dont like the guys postage rates dont bid, ever thought everybody else noticed the shipping rates and decided not to bother and thats why you got the bargains all to yourself.

When bidding on ebay look at the whole picture and take the postage into consideration on what you will spend on the item.

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I did consider that shipping, that is why I asked him about combining it for multiple items. And yeah, these are a steal

N1011

Probably suspend the seller for high shipping and of course, he will have an excuse. $60.00 a week is an average, sometime more and sometimes less.....tape bubble wrap, labels and brown boxes for international shipping.....

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goldy

What some ebay sellers do is to list the item low so as to save on listing and selling fees but make up the difference in shipping fees because there are no ebay fees associated with shipping fees. You can report the seller for abuse of the ebay listing policys.

With that said why would you complain at paying around $17.00 average per model. Do you know of any normal retailer that would sell those models at those prices? MSRP is over $30.00 I do believe. And with that said I will add this disclaimer. I sometimes sell a NOS (one that collects dust for 2 or so years) model for as low as .99 cents as a loss leader if I need to get it out of my infventory and move on. But then still only charge my normal $7.50 for shipping and handling.

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It is very important for potential bidders to have detailed information on what exactly the business transaction is that they are entering into especially with combined shipping costs, some sellers are quite vague with their combined shipping policies especially domestically.....

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Do you ship overseas? I just sent a bunch of models to Australia, Britain and Canada, and postage rates suck for those countries. I didn't sell near the volume you do on a weekly basis and it still cost me $48 to post 6 packages (yours will be posted tomorrow, BTW).

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Yep. Ship worldwide....

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Geez, Lousie! ! Do any of those models sell for more than $9.99?

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You are averaging $8.00 per parcel. How is that expensive? Canada should be about $3.00 to $4.00 each. UK is about $8.50 each and OZ might be $10.00? Still not too expensive you are shipping via First Class International.

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Well you have capped some of your auctions setting the market with lesser known releases but sold out at the retailer level, jacking up the price with a Buy It Now Price and offering free shipping. A seller has to do what a seller has to do....... Oh and yes, they do sell for more than $9.99....

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Although subject to the "Oh, I have never received the model yet" scam in which some countries don't scan the Custom label.....

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That may be true for maybe a 1:500 DC3 if you're lucky a 1:400 747 goes as follows: US Priority 8.70 coast to coast, cheaper the closer you are, FedEx Ground coast to coast 8.60, Canada 5.93, Australia 12.48, UK 11.98, and so on and so forth with minor variations between countries. Shipping increases in January again too, so shipping goes up. Oh and my shipping bill this year has come in the tune of somewhere around 56k and counting. Last three days was 3k alone.

Either way it is importrant for people to ask questions about shipping, BEFORE they order on eBay..an online store..whatever, it saves hassles, heartaches, and headaches downt he road.

Darryl

I am a fan of the free market as well, however, eBay does have a few rules to follow if you want to play. Don't want to follow their rules? Well, you don’t play, then.

One of eBay’s MAJOR rules is that "Thou shall not charge the customer for eBay fees, nor tack them on as Shipping and Handling costs.”

I recently had a Seller admit to me that their “Shipping” costs included all of their eBay fees, handling, materials, driving to the post office, shipping fees, glue for the box, tape, the air they breath, etc. I reported this knucklehead.

These are stated No-No’s when you agree to the Seller rules upon listing an auction. It is known as the cost of doing business, and though I should be able to recoup my costs, Fleabay forbids it.

I also charge actual shipping on my own auctions, as I know what it is like to get raped by Sellers. Many of my positive feedback's include comments on me charging actual shipping. This tells me that many Sellers are indeed overcharging.

Just be smart, folks.

United Airlines DC-10

I did read it before, and I asked a question about combining shipping. You are very fair with your shipping costs. $8.70 coast to coast is a lot better than $15(Yes, he sent me an email saying he will to lower the price by $2)




I filed a claim with Ebay. I have no idea what they will do but this guy says I am the only person to complain thus far about his shipping methods... I find that hard to believe and asked him to email me some of his older auctions and how much those sellers paid for shipping.

goldy

In a way you are being a pain-in-the-butt to this seller. Why not instead view the seller's profile. If he is rating 4 or 5 stars in the "shipping and handling" then he is telling it true. For one or two moels I price at between $7.50 to $8.50 for domestic US via priority mail and between $8.50 and $13.00 for international 1st class. My Ebay star ranking is just a tiny percent short of the full five stars. Virtually everyone is happy with my shipping fees.

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Garuda747400

Pain in the butt buyer expecting something for free, you paid $6 for a model and $17 in total, much better then buying at $26 and getting free shipping.
Im not happy with paying $28 for shipping from australia but the guy had what i wanted at a good price, i charge £7 international thats about $11`, yet i am charged between $10-$18 sometimes a parcel only costs £5.-- £6.--- and i gain but sometimes with good packing and a large box it costs more and i take the hit to make everybody happy,

expensive shipping has obviously worked in your favour, other potential bidders have stayed away because of the shipping and not even got involved, you got these for about $17 all in, if shipping had been free or $5 these models could have been up to $20 + shipping, meet half way , whats the guy really makeing on postage after costs ? $4? whats he lost on the models RRP $20-$25

whos the real winner ?

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He is charging me $4 PER model in handling fees. That's $12 to ship 3 models. And yes he does have a great rating but that doesn't give him a right to overcharge shipping.


It is not the buyers job to pay for fees, also the reason nobody else bidded on the models was because he didn't have them listed under toys of collectables so they were harder to find. And anyway it's not my job to make sure he makes money selling the model.

goldy

Yes, lad, but it is a matter of total perspective. I would suspect that if this seller had paid the usual wholesale price for these models and then added Ebay fees and shipping that you would quickly know that he lost a good amount of money on each model that he sold to you. You, in my mind anyway, have nothing to be unhappy about. At $17.00 each I may have considered buying those models had I needed them for restocking my inventory. If he has any that I do need I may well look at his offereings as $17.00 each is most reasonable. Unless I was interested in unloading unwanted inventory, and I have done it in the past, I would not sell those models at those prices because it's not a good idea to lose money on a consistant basis. Too many customers like you I do not need in large quantities.

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United Airlines DC-10

Customers like me? (I'll make a note not to buy from you) I was raped by shipping costs. Do you not agree that what he is charging for shipping is robbery? The price I purchased the model for is irrelevant! I could pay $100 or $5 and shipping shouldn't change.

Delta747

Did you know that he had these high shipping prices? Also, did he say he was going combine shipping if you bought more than one model from him? Just wondering as these may play a factor in your PayPal or Ebay (whichever) dispute.

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j.patroni

I won a Doyusha 1011 for around 60 so it works out sometimes.

goldy

My point was that any company cannot afford to continually sell at a loss. Assuming the aforementioned seller is lossing money then he eventally cannot afford you and those like you. That is not a derogitory statement because I am assuming that he is selling at a loss, which is your gain, but if he is merely selling off a collection and is not an established business then all is well. This is not my case. I sell to make a profit, in most cases. My customers are not discount shoppers...which would be you. So that is why I said you would not be my kind of customer.

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United Airlines DC-10

I normally shop at retailers(Airparadigm, Jetway). I only use ebey for good deals or models that are sold out elsewhere. Who doesn't bargain shop? It's natural to find something for the cheapest price!

AirCanada881

Don't forget that if paying by Paypal, they will still take their share of the shipping costs... Why? Go figure... So I understand if a seller ups the shipping costs by a couple dollars, but yes I agree that more than that is excessive. I've sold dozens of models on eBay, and also bought some, it helps to know both sides of the coin to be empathetic towards both buyers and sellers :-)

Garuda747400

I,m happy the DW was re-listed, i got my much preferred Phoenix version for $46 last week, might not be a perfect mould but what i was looking for and at a reasonable price for arare model so im hjappy.

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