MarinerOne

Just curious if anyone else has seen this movie ... my wife and I just saw it over the weekend and even SHE really enjoyed it, and she's not even a Trekkie™! I'm a fan of the original series and could really appreciate and relate to this movie version ... I give it 4.5 stars!

arctic9048

I saw it 3x within the first 10 days. I'm a bit of a nerd.

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MarinerOne

I'm going to definitely buy the BluRay™ version when it comes out ... I wanna watch it leisurely on our SONY HD TV ... the new-and-improved original Enterprise never looked better!

DINO

My son saw it. He definitely is NOT a trekkie, but he keeps telling me that's it's a real good film that I should see.

MarinerOne

I'll even tell you that!

A Tupolev

I thought it was the best ST movie to date. The new actors playing our favorite ST characters were fantastic.

The only part of the story-line that I did not like was the Enterprise being built in a cornfield in Iowa.

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B773ER

I've not seen it, but have heard nothing but positive comments on the film. I plan to add it to my netflix queue when it is released on DVD.

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I totally agree with you Tupe regarding the character actors ... they MADE the movie what it is!

As for the manufacturing facility in Iowa, I think that's what Boeing will be doing someday in the near future with their next-generation airliner!

Better get ready for a long wait!

L-1011-Heavy

Well, I'm A Bit Disapointed.
The Whole Thing Was Filmed A-la Spooks From The Hood Style.
Camera Shakes Everywhere As If Beavis And Butthead Got Hold Of The Camera.
And Don't Give Me Crap About How the Filmakers Are Trying To Make It "Realistic"
Nonsense.
Today's Professional Cameras Have Gyroscopes To Stabilize Them. Even If There's Heavy Blast, It Should Be Much More Stable Than That. So Are Gyro Scoped Hand Held Cameras.
Imagine Several Hundred Years In To The Future When Gyroscopes Will Be Advanced With Isolinear Chip Control For Handhelds.
The "In Space" Cameras Prolly Should Be In Ablative Shock Absorbing Housings, Further Stabilized By Multi-Phasic Thruster Control Or Some Other Damned Technology.
Furthermore, Since Space Is A Vaccum, There Would Be No Shock Wave To Knock The Cameras Silly Like They Did In the Film Anyway!

BOGUS!!!!!!
And I Really Hated The Lens Flare Everywhere Constantly Preventing You From Enjoying The Special Effects. I Nearly Went Blind. Not Only That, The Framework Was Too Fast,
Again Not Giving You Enough Time To Enjoy the Effects Or The Visuals Of the Ships & Other Technology.
And What's With The Engineering Section Of The Supposed Constellation Class?
What The Hell is With All The Water Plumbing? Did Someone In Production Have A Bad Case Mario Brothers Flashback?
Ever Since The NX Class, Engineering Always Had A Warp Core Of Some Kind.
I Saw None Here.

Toops Made A Good Point. The Starships In ALL Star Trek Sereis' Stated They Were Too Large To Be Built On Earth. And They Made A Big Point Of That Fact.
Did The Writers Get Sick Of Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards?

The Story. A Bit Disappoining.
I Can't Grasp the Idea That Vulcan Was Destroyed In A Quantum Singularity.
It Will Throw Off The Timeline Of All Other Star Treks.
The Explanation That The Space-Time Incursion By The Romulans Created A parallel Universe Rather Than A Rift Was A Bit Weak And If You Blinked, You Missed That Explanation.

Excellent Action. Good (But Not Great) Rendering Of The Young Classic Characters.
Only Noobs Who Weren't/Aren't TREKKERS (Not Fekking Trekkies)
Would Thoroughly Enjoy This Film.

BOGUS!

I Had To Watch Star Trek Nemesis And 5 Episodes Of Enterpise To Re-Align My Vision
And Regain Some Quantum Sensibility.

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I'd say it was very good cinematically, but acting and plot wise, it was kinda lacking...

Never the less, i saw it 6 times

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Heavy? NEMESIS? What a steaming pile of bull that was! At least it was accurate, but the storyline on that one was also a bit bizarre.

I loved the cinematography, but I agree the lens glare was A LITTLE DISTRACTING! Getting rid of that would drastically improve the movie.

Overall, a very good movie, and I hope a base for new star trek films. I liked it.

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Come on Heavy, tell us what you really thought of the movie.

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L-1011-Heavy

I Watched Nemesis Because It Was The Apex of All Star Trek Filmography And I Happen To Be Fascinated By The Scimitar...27 Torpedo Launchers...
52 Disruptor Banks...And the Thaleron Radiation Generator.

Story Line Was A Bit Awful At First (Hard To Follow With Clarity), But Not Seemingly So If You Watch It A Few Times.

Since I Already Watched All 7 Seasons Of STNG & All 4 Of Enterprise Just Recently, The Logical Choice Was A Feature Film. Nemesis Was It.

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Wow, you ripped this film apart like you rip many of the 1:400 scale models we get.

Yes, this film was good, and I overall enjoyed it, not the greatest Star Trek film in my opinion, but it was pretty good. If it were a model, I would say that it would be like a DW Concorde, an overall good model though the engines have a hole so you can see through them. At least it wasn't the Blue Box L1011 known as Star Trek V. Had to be more one of the stranger star trek films to date.

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You have to keep an open mind on this stuff. Remember, all of the Star Trek Universe is alternate history, since obviously we never launched a weapons platform (or did we?) that Gary Seven tried to interfere with, and never had the Eugenics War with Khan Noonian Singh ruling a third of the Earth in the 90's. And speaking of "Nemesis", didn't anyone notice that that was a movie about a crazed Romulan (ok, Reman/human, whatever) seeking revenge against the Federation for an imagined wrongdoing, using an advanced starship that is virtually indestructible until the Enterprise shows up to destroy it. Wait, wasn't that the plot of "Star Trek"? Oh, well, I liked the movie for what it was: a retro trip though a new Star Trek Universe, with Leonard Nimoy as the bridge, like William Shatner was in "Generations". Nobody should put a lot of thought into these movies and TV shows when they watch them, just give them some leeway and enjoy. The Star Trek Universe is a lot more interesting than ours, even with its flaws.

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Kind of like a mobile Death Star... sorry not my cup of tea. I prefer my Star Trek villains to be a little more cerebral... I though the Scimitar was clumsy and honestly a Borg cube would have destroyed the Scimitar with time to spare while the Thaleron Generator warmed up. Also the "I hate the world because the Romulans were mean to me and sent me to a dark planet," made for a predictable and kind of lame storyline.

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I didn't like the design of either Romulan ship. The Scimitar and the mining ship just looked like a collection of spikes, and yeah, a Borg cube would have zapped both in a heartbeat. Why the heck was a mining ship so heavily armed, anyway? The Warbirds in "Nemesis" were awesome, though.

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Moomins

Overall, I thought the movie was good.

I do have to agree with Heavy though. The character development was along the lines of the original series and the first six movies, but the storyline in this movie is contradictory. Makes it confusing for us older folk to understand.

One question: Is the relationship between Uhura and Spook new, or did I zone out and miss something in the previous shows/movies?

A Tupolev

I think many of you have completely missed the point about this "new" Star Trek movie. This movie was never meant to be a continuation of the original TV series or the movies from the original TV series. Its intent was to take a completely fresh start on the stories, using the original characters.

Producer and Director JJ Abrams was never a fan of the original TV show and movies. When he took on this project he purposely did not go back and watch the original TV show or movies. He wanted to take a completely fresh approach on the franchise. This is the same approach director Christopher Nolan took with the new Batman movies.

So there is no way he could have screwed up the Star Trek timeline with Vulcan being destroyed or a love affair with Spock & Uhura, because in this new franchise, this is the new reality.

I very much enjoyed this new Star Trek, because I went into it knowing it was not copying, or (except for the characters) a continuation or prequel of the original show.

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Nailed it, the scimtar was undoubtedly forboding, but the Romulans and their warbirds were pansies, and the only reason the ship wasn't destroyed was because the Enterprise was incapacitated. The borg would have Shinzon at his knees in moments, resistance is futile.

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That was a great movie! I'm a trekkie now

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A Tupolev

Thanks for proving my point. This movie was produced and directed for the "next generation" of Star Trek fans. Live long and prosper.

For you last generation trekkies you can still watch the classic TV shows and movies on DVD.

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L-1011-Heavy

I Did Like the New Ship Overall, Particularly the New Bridge & It's Crystal Computer Technology, But The Oversized Bussard Collectors Coupled With The Large Shrouds Gave The Warp Nacelles An Ugly "Bug Eye" look From Front On. Killed The Look IMO.

I Think That Proves My Point...You NEED To Watch It 6 Times Just To Get A Grasp Of What's Going On.

The Undiscovered Country Was Hailed As One Of The Worst Star Trek Feature Films Ever Made, However I Think It Beats This New Story Line Totally.

I Think The Spikes On The Mining Ship Are Supposed To Be Long Range Communications Arrays. Nevertheless, It's One Of the Ugliest Star Ships Ever Concieved.
The Mining Ship May Not Necessarily Be "Heavily Armed" At Least For It's Timeline. Remember It's Timeline Is Post Nemesis, Next Generation & The Dominion. It Needed To Defend Itself Against Interstellar Piracy Say From the Ferengi Or Other Marauders. Note, The Mining Ship Was A Giant. I'd Suspect The Cargo Would Be Quite Valuable To Justify that Kind Of Defensive Capability, Particularly From A Narcissistic & Xenophobic Species Such As The Romulans.

The "Collection Of Spikes" On The Scimitar However Had A Purpose. Large Scale Amplification Of The Thaeleron Generator For Planetary Destruction. At Least The Spikes On The Scimitar Looked Like They Had Some Order And Were Symmetrical.
They Were Quite Chaotic On The Mining Ship.

This Timeline Is At Least Several Years Before The Original Series. The Crew Were In Thier 30s In The Series, But In Thier 20s In The New Film. Note Spock Was Not Able To Control His Emotions Here.
I Didn't have Much Of A Problem Here Because It All Looked Plausible.


The Makers Knew This Movie Would Alienate A Lot Of Die Hard Trekkers.
It Was Catered To A Broader Audience, Particularly To Today's Youth And The "Gangland Subculture" Crowd.
If JJ Abrams Was Not A Fan Of the Original Series, Then He's Not A Star Trek Fan Of Any Kind.

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L-1011-Heavy

True. At least To Some Degree.

Not True.
First The Gary Seven Scenario And Khan Eugenics War Was Concieved Was Concieved In The 60s When The 90s Was Considered The Future.
Second Any Time There's An Infraction In The Timeline It's NOT
Necessarily An Alternate Universe, But A Result Of Usually A Corrective Rift In Time.
An Alternate Universe Would Be "Parallel" As In "Mirror Mirror" In The Original Series & "Mirror Darkly In "Enterprise"
Which Describe The Time Rift Phenomena Very Differently Than "Yesterday's Enterprise" , And The Time Loop Of "Time Squared" ,"Cause & Effect" Of STNG.


Your Logic is Flawed. It Is Absolutely Incorrect And Does Not Comply.
Connect Your Interface To This Datalink Node.

Gene Roddenberry, And The Makers of ALL Star Trek (Except JJ Abrams)
Have Made A Point For All Storylines & Technology To Jive To The Point That The Cult Following Is Bigger Than The TV Sereis' & The Movies Themselves.
If You Are A REAL Star Trek Fan, You Would Have Read Numerous Books, Magazines (Which Have Been Around Since The 70s) & Websites On The Subject. Even The Technology & Terminology
Are Theoretically Possible, And Information Are Gathered From Universities, And Some Technologies Are Already In Existence.
For Instance The Neutrino Lab In Sudbury, Ontario, (That's In CANADA Toops, Not USA) And Microtechnology Will Soon Adapt To Nano Technology.


Even The Fantasy Warp Drive Has Been Simply Described As Folding Space Between 2 Points, Much As You Fold A Piece Of Paper And Connect 2 Points.
The Theoretical Technology Is Not That Far Fetched Either. The Warp Coils Are Not Much Different Than A Long Radiator, However The Matter/Anti-Matter Warp Core Still Needs A Few Hundred Years I Suspect. The Warp Plasma Injectors (Plasma Is Electrical Energy, Found In Today's Technology As In Plasma Cutters & Plamsa Welders) Should Not Be Much Different Than Fuel Injectors Or Mould Injectors Of Today's Technology.
The Dilithuim Crystals Are Similar To Crystal Stone Found On Earth, But They Have Special Properties. They Are Used To Stabilize The Mixture.

We Already Do. There Are Inconsistencies In Almost Every Episode, But Most Are Minor.
However When The Inconsitincies Are Too Big To Ignore, They Become Huge Topics Of Discussion.
The Star Trek Universe IS Cool And Certainly More Interesting Than Ours, But Star Trek Fans Need To Assimilate Technoligical & Cronological Consistency In The Collective.
In Other Words, Order To Chaos.

I'm Still Trying To Find Out Why The Aged Excelsior Class Had Transwarp Drive ("Star Trek: The Search For Spock"), But No Starship Had Transwarp Drive In STNG, Voyager & Deep Space 9 When The Excelsior Class Were Already 75 Years Old In Those Timelines.

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A Tupolev

Heavy, I heard a rumor you live in an underground bunker in Toronto. I think you are spending too much time down there watching DVD's.

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arctic9048

You do not need to watch it six times to understand what is going on.

There was nothing wrong with The Undiscovered Country. He said Star Trek V which was The Final Frontier and that was extremely painful to watch.

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gospodin

"Undiscovered Country" was actually the third best of the six original ST movies, after "Wrath of Khan" and "The Voyage Home". "The Final Frontier" was embarrassingly bad, and is the only ST movie missing from my collection...I refuse to ever see it again. Basically a William Shatner production, he co-wrote and directed that mess...and it showed. To this day, no mention of Spock's brother Sybok has ever been made before or since that movie. If the Paramount franchise could make ST V disappear, they would. But you know, ST III was kind of a stinker, too. Having Robin Curtis play the role of Saavik instead of Kirsty Alley threw a lot of the audience, Christopher Lloyd's over-the-top Klingon performance had me laughing every time I saw him, and the whole story's premise was totally lame. I'm glad Spock came back, but only soap operas should be allowed to bring back the dead. Data won't be back...well, we have B-4 anyway.

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L-1011-Heavy

I Meant From A Visual Perspective.

DOH! I Meant The Final Frontier. Aside From The Shatner "Effect" That Movie Did Have It's Moments. Spock In The Captain's Seat Of A Klingon Bird Of Prey...(LOOONG Before The kitamher Accords Or The Treaty Signed In The Undiscovered Country) All The While Kirk (And The Audience) Were Expecting An Attack From The Klingon Captain. One Of The Most CLASSIC
Moments In All Of Star Trek.

I Think The Undiscovered Country Was The Best Of That Series Followed By Wrath Of Khan, The Voyage Home, The Search For Spock, The Final Frontier, And I Put The Motion Picture On The Bottom Simply Because It Was For The Most Part Lacked Vitality.

And Though Spopck Being Resurrected Was Hard To Swallow At The Time, I Got Over It. I And Many ST Fans Thought Star Trek Was Dead (At The Time) Without Spock. It Was Better To See Spock Again Rather Than Not. He STILL MADE Those Films. Just Imagine The Voyage Home Without Him. Who Would Mind Meld With The Whale?

That Is Until The Next Generation Was Introduced In 1987.

And If You Think Shatner's Production Of The Final Frontier Was Bad, You Should See Tek-War.

B-4 WILL Become Data. Make No Mistake.

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@ Rick....

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Although I think watching it 6 times is great for those inclined, I DO think that directors/producers PURPOSELY make movies rather vague and ambiguous, and purposely RUSH things such that it requires some to watch the movie more than once to get the full understanding.

I felt the same way in this movie, and by watching it a second and a third time, it would be easier to gain a FULL grasp of the entire presentation and details.

I'm not going to pay to do this at theaters though - I'm going to buy the DVD when it comes out so that I can review the details at my leisure - and more cost-effectively.

L-1011-Heavy

I May End Up Buying The Blue Ray When It Comes Down To 15 Bucks Or So.
In The Meantime I'll Watch It Again A Few Times Via Torrent Download.
Afterall, No Matter How Bad Star Trek Is....It's STILL Star Trek.
A True Fan Enjoys Even The Stinkers To Some Degree. That Includes The Final Frontier.

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Heavy, have you no respect for the copyrighted, intellectual property of others?

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L-1011-Heavy

Interesting How You Purposely Twisted What I Said Toops By Selective Quoting.
Did You Perhaps Omit The Fact That I Mentioned I Watched The Movie? 10 Bucks. Did You Also Perhaps Omit The Fact I Said I'll Buy The Blu Ray? 15 Bucks. Not Only Am I Respecting The Copyright (YOU ARE ALLOWED To Have Back Up Copies & Some Movies Actually Come With One) A lot More Than The General Public, I Just Wonder Who Appointed You Judge And Jury.
I'll Even Bet You Have Lots Of Free Downloads Yourself.

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A Tupolev

Nice save Heavy, this response might give you a legal loophole at your trial. I have a friend who's son is serving a 1-5 year felony conviction for illegal downloads of movies via bit torrent. So this is an area Tupi don't play in. Make sure you are not storing all of these illegally downloaded movies on your hard drive. The first thing the police will do when they knock on your door at 4AM, will be to take your PC as evidence. The more illegal copies on your HD, the tighter the case against you. I hope you have a good attorney and I wish you the best of luck.

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L-1011-Heavy

So How Many Downloaders Actually Get Prosecuted Toops? 1 In Every 100 Million?
I Don't Think Many Downloaders Have Much To Worry About.
I'll Sleep Good.

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A Tupolev

You are right Rick. The only ones that actual get caught are the ones that are stupid enough to post in a public forum that they download illegal material and will never get caught.

You are 1 in a Million Heavy!

Sleep tight.

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L-1011-Heavy

Yes I Suppose The Police Are Monitoring Every Post Of Every Thread Of An Extremely Obscure Forum That Has Little Or Nothing To Do With Torrents & Downloads.
Besides The Ones That Are Prosecuted Have Several Hundred Gigs Of Downloads. They've Created Enough Traffic On Their IP Address They Virtually Put Up A Sign "Come And Get Me"
No One Serves 1-5 Years For Downloaded A Few Dozen Movies Toop
So Stop Trying To Scare Everyone.
And BTW NO ONE Will Get Prosecuted In Canada Anyway, Regardless Of
How Many Downloads We Make Because the Canadian Government
Pays A Tax To The Movie & Music Industry. We Are Legally Protected
From Prosecution of Any Kind. They Have Waived Thier Intellectual Property Rights To Individuals, However, Distribution Of Any Kind For Re-sale Or Presentation Is Still Prohibited.
I'll Still Sleep Good.

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A Tupolev

Calm down Rick. You are getting a little defensive. I forgot you are in Canada were your socialist government protects its citizens who steal intellectual properties from the USA, as no on in Canada (except for RIM) has any intelligent ideas not stolen from the USA.

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L-1011-Heavy

I Am Calm, I'm About As Defensive As You Are Offensive About Everything
Not American. Mabe You're A Little Pis.sed Because You Couldn't Get Any Beaver On Your Last Visit To Toronto. How's That For Socialism?
And We Are Not Stealing Intellectual Properties From The USA, It's A Legal Contract Where They Waived Thier Rights So Why Are You Still Appointing Yourself As Judge And Jury? Who Died And Made You King?

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You know, I actually missed the Tupi/Heavy flame wars. This is a good one so far.

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L-1011-Heavy

Did Anyone Catch the "Mistake" In One Of My Replies? (Hint, In One Of My EARLIER Posts)

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A Tupolev

It's always fun to debate someone who takes themselves or there subject matter too seriously. Heavy is about as serious as they come. I'm happy to have contributed to the entertainment of you and the other members of the forum.

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A Tupolev

So what you are saying is the mistake is not in this post?

Maybe the mistake you made was debating with me on copy-write laws.

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