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Old 03-28-2013, 05:04 AM   #1
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guys, been thinking about modern vs. classic airliners in diecast collecting, so came up with this idea, but i only manage to write down some of them. so please add up if you have more ideas

1. classic airliners are history so that's why they are more suitable to be called "collectible items"
2. classic airliners are more interesting, and not just some boring twin jets
3. most airlines are changing their liveries, so instead of collecting airliners with liveries that do not exist anymore, it's far more better to collect the real extinct ones
4. classic airliners come with colorful liveries, the modern ones are just dull euro white schemes
5. there's no need to collect modern airliners, because you can still see them everyday

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Classic airliners are wayyyyyy cooler than modern ones, even though modern planes are pretty awesome themselves.
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You forgot the nostalgia factor for us dusty old farts. The classic airliners take us back to when air travel was mysterious and exciting, and the airplanes were so awesome to a young child or teen.
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I collect a few of each -- retro and modern. Why limit ones self to only one level of recollection? I've had wonderful experiences travelling recently as I have travelling over the last 50+ years. For me, it's like being a kid in a candy store.

I will, however, wholeheartedly agree that retro-era aircraft were far more unique.
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In 40 years, A320s, A330s, 777s, and even 787s will be classics!
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Gentlemen, I'll soon be selling some 1/200 classic airliners soon on the DAC. Just have to get my flickr account working on the DAC, so I can provide some pics.

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This exactly. Myself being only 17, I can't claim the "bringing back memories" factor Steve mentioned, but I'd take a smokin' DC-9 over first class on an Arabian whale jet any day. We need to get today's upcoming youth collectorette into classics. Every time a new young collector posts pictures of his/her collection, it's the same "look at my Singapore Airlines fleet".
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Definately nostalgia for me. All the airlines and airplanes I used to fly on and watch land and take off as a kid are gone. So I must admit whenever a model comes out that brings back alot of memories, Im buying it...
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Can't beat the beautiful sound of the screeching and thunderous engines on the 707's or DC-8's with all the black smoke trailing behind.
I never understood why people who hate noise buy houses near airports.
Do they like complaining about noise abatement curfews being broken all the time??
Long live the classics!!!
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Classics give you an avenue to explore the history of the airline industry and really enable an understanding of how it works and worked. They certainly are more varied than todays aircraft in terms of configuration and manufacturer. There's just so much more to discover with the classics - plus you can chart the whole career of the individual aircraft itself which is often really varied and globetrotting.
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Classics give you an avenue to explore the history of the airline industry and really enable an understanding of how it works and worked. They certainly are more varied than todays aircraft in terms of configuration and manufacturer. There's just so much more to discover with the classics - plus you can chart the whole career of the individual aircraft itself which is often really varied and globetrotting.
I couldn't have put it better Richard. Charting the history of the major carriers in model form is a wonderful way to collect and learn something of their history. Pumping out endless current airliner models may be good for those that want to record what they are seeing today, but they have no character and the bland Eurowhite liveries can't touch the classic cheatline schemes.

The only trouble is, as the years go by, there will be fewer and fewer of us that remember these classics and will want to buy them. There may be lots of young collectors out there, but most are too hyped up on PC games and technology not to be interested in anything historical.
If manufacturers are going to produce more retro classics, they need to do it sooner than later and sell to the market that still exists.
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The only trouble is, as the years go by, there will be fewer and fewer of us that remember these classics and will want to buy them. There may be lots of young collectors out there, but most are too hyped up on PC games and technology not to be interested in anything historical.
If manufacturers are going to produce more retro classics, they need to do it sooner than later and sell to the market that still exists.
so true adrian
nowadays if you look at phoenix or gemini jets fan page on facebook, you will see hundreds of requests from youngsters who cry to have more on modern airliners..
so that's why i made this thread to make fun of this phenomena, and i didn't include the nostalgic aspect because of course, it's the main reason for us to collect the classic ones
just wanna show some rookies out there, that it is more fun to collect the classic ones
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I think to an extent, everyone has certain nostalgic feelings for things past. I get that. But people of different ages have a different idea of what to feel nostalgic about. My earliest memory of aviation was seeing CX green and white stripe 742s and L1011s flying a few metres off rooftops in Kowloon on approach to Kai Tak. I now have a BB CX 742 in the green and white stripes which I treasure, and am on the hunt for an L-1011.

But I just don't have any nostalgic feelings for anything before that. I have CX's 'Betsy' DC-3, a CX CV-880, and a CX 707-300C that has mostly stayed in its box because I don't appreciate it as much as I do the Classic Jumbo. I do, eventually, want to collect a 1:400 scale model of every aircraft that CX has ever had in its fleet, but there will be some I treasure more than others.

I'm much more of a fan of modern airliners than I am of classic jets. I'm excited about new technology that allows manufacturers to build long range and ultra long range large widebodies with only two engines to improve efficiency. I'm excited about new styles, elegance and luxury. Frankly, if I had a choice between flying on a modern jet or a classic airliner, I'd choose the former every day of the week.
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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be!
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I'd jump at the chance to fly on a DC-8, Caravelle and a Mercure. I kick myself now thinking that I had the money in the early 90's to do the Mercure and the Caravelle but didn't because it involved a couple of nights staying away from home and I was doing enough of that with work at the time.
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Last week I re-established contact with an old college buddy who I hadn't seen since graduation 50 years ago. A fraternity brother who flew Navy attack aircraft in Vietnam, then on to Northwest airlines where he flew 727s and ended with DC-10s. I asked him what he thought about the L-1011 vs. the DC-10, and he had never considered it. We 'enthusiasts' have an entirely different take on the airliners. I still prefer the classics, but there are alot of great planes flying today. Probably my particular favorite is the Lufthansa A340-600, but that's just me... Keep 'em flying, Doug
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I love modern planes for their awesome capabilities, i love classic planes for their style and the way they flew!
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so true adrian
nowadays if you look at phoenix or gemini jets fan page on facebook, you will see hundreds of requests from youngsters who cry to have more on modern airliners..

just wanna show some rookies out there, that it is more fun to collect the classic ones
Relax guys some younger people love the classics. airport-1600 above was still in diapers when the first 777 flew and I grew up in the 80s and we both love the classics.

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I'm much more of a fan of modern airliners than I am of classic jets. I'm excited about new technology that allows manufacturers to build long range and ultra long range large widebodies with only two engines to improve efficiency. I'm excited about new styles, elegance and luxury. Frankly, if I had a choice between flying on a modern jet or a classic airliner, I'd choose the former every day of the week.
I struggle to get excited by technology which is in effect just a magic electronic box most of the time (and I work in IT). I don't consider modern jets to be particularly elegant or stylish compared to classic props like the Connie or the first widebodies like the Tristar. Certainly the 787 is a pig. If it was a short flight I'd much rather fly a classic - however if it were a long-haul I agree a modern plane would be better.

However the whole point of being an aviation enthusiast is that you don't care about the inside of the plane which is really all you're talking about in terms of which you'd rather fly?
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However the whole point of being an aviation enthusiast is that you don't care about the inside of the plane which is really all you're talking about in terms of which you'd rather fly?
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the old saying goes. I happen to think that the 747-400 is the best looking subsonic airliner ever built, along with the 747-8, 777-300ER and A340-500. I just can't get excited about older prop liners - they're just not appealing to me.

You're right, though, it's not necessarily about the inside of the aircraft, but rather what it looks (and sounds) like from the outside. But even so, I'd choose to fly on a 747 or a 777 over any other airliner, whether for short haul or long haul, because I just love the way it looks and sounds.

Perhaps if I was 50 years older and actually flew on these "classics" that you speak about, then I might feel differently. I know that the 747-400 is one plane I'd miss dearly when they're all gone, so I can definitely understand other people's appreciation for older aircraft that are no longer flying.
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I'm not specifically into collecting classics except where it touches on some fleets I maintain such as KLM, Aeroflot, LOT, etc. Those who are very much into only collecting "classics" to me at times come across as snobs claiming that they are the "true collectors" and looking down their nose at the younger generation. To each his own I say.
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Those who are very much into only collecting "classics" to me at times come across as snobs claiming that they are the "true collectors" and looking down their nose at the younger generation.
This is the impression I got after reading some of the posts in this thread.
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Like a local vintage guitar shop owner once told me (when I was much younger): "one day you'll wake up and your favorite song will be 10 years old".

I missed the 707, but I got to ride in the 727, the L1011, and the DC10 a few times. Ergo, the tri-jets are classic for me.

I am modeling a time period in aviation, so if I can fit an airplane into the time period somehow, I make a point to collect it. My time period happens to be the last 4 or 5 years.. So I do collect some classic aircraft as they are currently being used, but not as they appeared in their prime.

A good example of this would be the Everts DC-6 fleet.
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Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the old saying goes. I happen to think that the 747-400 is the best looking subsonic airliner ever built, along with the 747-8, 777-300ER and A340-500. I just can't get excited about older prop liners - they're just not appealing to me.
Ah but the 747-400 is effectively a 1960s design except for the extended hump and winglets.

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I'm not specifically into collecting classics except where it touches on some fleets I maintain such as KLM, Aeroflot, LOT, etc. Those who are very much into only collecting "classics" to me at times come across as snobs claiming that they are the "true collectors" and looking down their nose at the younger generation. To each his own I say.
You're probably right but it is a ludicrous conceit of many young people everywhere (hell I'm only 34 perhaps its just human nature in general) to see new things as somehow superior to older things. To write off 100 years of powered flight to just collect the last 13 years seems ludicrous to me but hey as you say 'each to his own'. Its a bit like those best films lists that are done regularly which always have loads of recent releases in the top 100 movies - just ridiculous.

As a passenger air travel has got vastly superior without a doubt, however as an enthusiast the industry has gotten demonstrably vastly less interesting in almost every detail. Going to a major airport nowadays is pretty tedious except for the occassional colourful livery. Its just a procession of Airbus and Boeing twins which by no means ugly get a bit tiresome after a short while. Then you have the constant mega-mergers.

I think that many people who collect classics see the tide of collectors asking for new 'boring' models and feel their collecting future is threatened. As it is there is almost no useful Phoenix or Gemini releases for a classics collector leaving just AC with regular releases of interest. In that sense it is a war and so I feel the need to big up classics wherever I can to try and turn the tide which I consider to be detrimental to the whole area of model collecting in general.
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The post above is 100% accurate. Flying today is not the "event" it once was ~40 years ago. I'm not old enough to have experienced it, but just watch some old videos on YouTube. It was enough to make me realize how much flying today blows to the point where I don't even bother to bring a camera on board anymore.

When it comes to inflight service (in economy, for that matter), yesteryear's service would be vastly superior to that of today.
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The post above is 100% accurate. Flying today is not the "event" it once was ~40 years ago. I'm not old enough to have experienced it, but just watch some old videos on YouTube. It was enough to make me realize how much flying today blows to the point where I don't even bother to bring a camera on board anymore.

When it comes to inflight service (in economy, for that matter), yesteryear's service would be vastly superior to that of today.
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I hate Classics!!!

I can't resist buying them!!!

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The post above is 100% accurate. Flying today is not the "event" it once was ~40 years ago. I'm not old enough to have experienced it, but just watch some old videos on YouTube. It was enough to make me realize how much flying today blows to the point where I don't even bother to bring a camera on board anymore.

When it comes to inflight service (in economy, for that matter), yesteryear's service would be vastly superior to that of today.
Camera? You'd probably have it confiscated if you tried to use it.

I was able to experience the golden age of air travel in the late 50's/early 60's and I have to say, it was civilized -- and vastly superior to many of the standards today that I've experienced. I remember my Mom made a deal out us two kids being 'dressed properly and having our hair combed'. Yup. A different age, alright. Nobody sees it as an 'occasion' worth cleaning up for.
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Those who are very much into only collecting "classics" to me at times come across as snobs claiming that they are the "true collectors" and looking down their nose at the younger generation. To each his own I say.
This. I agree entirely. Not just with classics, but with modern airliners as well, but instead of the classic v modern debate, it's re-release v something that hasn't been done before. These sorts of debates seems to bring out the worst in collectors. "To each his own" is right, but I'd also add another old cliche: "live and let live".

You want classics? I want modern jets. Why can't we have both?
You want a previously unreleased livery/aircraft combination? I want another SQ 777 with a different registration for my fleet. Why can't we have both?

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You're probably right but it is a ludicrous conceit of many young people everywhere (hell I'm only 34 perhaps its just human nature in general) to see new things as somehow superior to older things. To write off 100 years of powered flight to just collect the last 13 years seems ludicrous to me but hey as you say 'each to his own'. Its a bit like those best films lists that are done regularly which always have loads of recent releases in the top 100 movies - just ridiculous.
On this point, I agree. Newer does not always means better. For example, in my view the best James Bond film (indeed, my favourite film overall) is From Russia With Love (this year marks the 50th year since its release). The newer films haven't quite lived up to that standard. Some people prefer newer films, but that's fair enough. "To each his own".

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Its just a procession of Airbus and Boeing twins which by no means ugly get a bit tiresome after a short while.
I can't tell you how much I love watching 777-300ERs take off and land, as well as hearing the distinctive 'mooing' noise that those gigantic GE90-115Bs make on start-up. I don't think I'll ever get sick of it. The noise from those twin GE90s is music to my ears. I also love the stylish raked wingtips. Tiresome? Boring? Hell, no!

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True.

But for someone like me who flies but once or twice a year, it is an event, even though it may not feel like it with the mad rush at the airport. People don't take their time to relax anymore.

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When it comes to inflight service (in economy, for that matter), yesteryear's service would be vastly superior to that of today.
Again, true. Blame the ever increasing demand for lower prices, combined with the ever increasing cost of Jet-A1.
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Well said! Also what some people here seem to forget is that in the 40s and 50s, air travel was limited to the upper class, the equivalent price of a ticket in modern currency would be upwards of USD 5000 - 10000 for a return trip from Europe to the US. So no kidding it was more luxurious but you can get the same (better) comfort today if you're willing to pay those prices. Classics really look a lot better viewed from the outside. I travelled on a "classic" L-1011 from Toronto to Paris and it was the most horrific and cramped flight I can recall. I'd love to look at an L-1011 but I'll take a Boeing 777 anytime if I need to go somewhere.
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