hey guys, i noticed quite a few people on the forum watch air crash investigation, so name your favourite, least favourite and one that you want made mine are
favourites
fanning the flames
deadly crossroads
under pressure
least favourites
all the unrelavant spin offs
jal 123 ,reason why,
the crash is lame, it needs to be bigger, more explosive and more dramatic
want made:
twa flight 800 (i know that seconds from disaster did it but id like to see aci do this)
specials such as crash of the century dont count even though i love that so much
regardss
kris
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mine is probably the klm/pan am crash at tenerife!! had a bomb not gone off at another spanish resort, those planes would never have been diverted there! and therefore, never happened.
would like to see the af a330 from last year at some stage.
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Personally i like them all, no real dislikes.
One that stands out for me was the Russian Airliner, think it was TU-154 and the DHL mid-air , if my memory serves me right!!
Also, another Russian where the pilots kid takes the controls and stalls it!!
Uh, guys...these were REAL events that killed lots of people. Saying that any of them was a favorite is like picking the best mass murderer or most fun natural disaster.
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That show is called "Mayday" in some markets. I regularly watch it. I can't say that I have any "favorite" episodes, I find all of them interesting.
However, I would like to suggest the producers spend less time on the "drama" of the crash itself, and more time on the investigation of it. Some episodes seem to spend more than 3/4 of their time on the former, and only a few minutes at the end, talking about the cause/larger issues raised by the incident.
I find the crash investigation intensely fascinating, the obviously CGI-generated plane footage much less so. The general public probably would disagree with me.
I was looking at Wikipedia, and it lists the upcoming episodes. I was going to suggest the AA DC-10 at Chicago in 1979, but they are already doing that one.
Uh, guys...these were REAL events that killed lots of people. Saying that any of them was a favorite is like picking the best mass murderer or most fun natural disaster.
My opinion exactly. I can't see how you could have a "favourite" air crash, unless you need some specialised help...
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Uh, guys...these were REAL events that killed lots of people. Saying that any of them was a favorite is like picking the best mass murderer or most fun natural disaster.
What is it with peoples preoccupation in regards to plane crashes ?
"jal 123 ,reason why,
the crash is lame, it needs to be bigger, more explosive and more dramatic"
I'm sure it was all of those things for the pax aboard JAL 123 but least of all lame .
Some of you need to think about what your posting in regards to this topic !!!!
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The fascination is why, where, when and how the crash occurred. They are important not only for the aviation industry but they give an in depth chronological synopsis. It's basically the accident report on digital. You get to see pilot error, airframe manufacturer
manual changes and why. They are part of the ever evolving aviation system.
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What is it with peoples preoccupation in regards to plane crashes ?
"jal 123 ,reason why,
the crash is lame, it needs to be bigger, more explosive and more dramatic"
I'm sure it was all of those things for the pax aboard JAL 123 but least of all lame .
Some of you need to think about what your posting in regards to this topic !!!!
no i didnt mean it like that i meant that the producers could of depicted the real horror of this crash alot better
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no i didnt mean it like that i meant that the producers could of depicted the real horror of this crash alot better
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Ok Kris I'll agree and say they could have done a better job on this and I don't know if the producers are under some kind of restraint or not when it comes to producing these episodes.
I will admit I was a bit too quick on the first reply.
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My opinion exactly. I can't see how you could have a "favourite" air crash, unless you need some specialised help...
Because it is interesting to see things when they go wrong, especially when it is spectacular, and also it is nice to see what has been done about it since (if anything).
Living in Scotland, the Lockerbie one is personal, seeing as my Uncle who was in the Police had to go and help (he has stories which would make your hair turn white), it was close to Glasgow (well, reasonably anyway), we were travelling in the Lockerbie area afterwards when they were still looking for bits of it, and also, it was on one of the flight paths which go over our town. Had the bomb gone off a little bit later then it might have landed here instead!
The Tenerife accident is just interesting - the circumstances leading up to it, the total destruction of the planes and yet, people survived, the fact that nobody really saw it despite being on the runway due to heavy fog, and also, well, it was a Pan Am and KLM '747. Two iconic aircraft!
Oh and I also like the one where the Pilot was sucked out of the cockpit window on the BAC-111 because I remember seeing it on the news and then things on daytime television where they interviewed some of the people involved and wondering how on earth the guy could have survived!
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Oh oh, and the one where the BA '747 flew through the volcanic cloud and everyone was treated to a light show, albeit with no engines running!
The Canadian one where the guy glided the plane onto a drag race track (an old runway) was good too.
There is also a series called Seconds From Disaster, and I think it was that one which did the Comet crashes, particularly the first one off the coast of Italy.
What marked that particular programme out though was that they actually told you what sort of injuries the people had sustained and how this helped in working out what happened, seeing as nobody had really seen anything of the like before.
As I seem to remember, a hatch on the top of the aircraft came off due to the fatigue cracks leading to it, the resulting explosive decompression meant that most onboard flew upwards, fracturing their skulls on the ceiling, before falling back down and injuring their lower legs, whilst at the the same time their lungs ruptured with the change in air pressure, and then the plane started to fall apart.
Lovely, I know, but at least it would have been quick.
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Because it is interesting to see things when they go wrong, especially when it is spectacular
"See the bubble-headed bleach blonde come on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry..."
But I agree with most of you, the anatomy of a plane crash is interesting...a little morbid, but then most of us human monkeys have that curiosity.
I still wouldn't say that any of them were my favorite, though. That's trivializing a traumatic event.
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Because it is interesting to see things when they go wrong, especially when it is spectacular
Never intended to argue about that. I like to see how things went wrong too, it's always interesting and educating, and some of these series do it better than others. It was only the "hey gimme five of your best liked air crashes ever" that got me a bit upset.
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I don't think anyone is trivialising any of the events!
We all have a fascination with Aviation in one form or another and
that fascination, for me anyway, makes me want to watch these programmes.
First of all to see how the accidents started, and especially, how they come to work out exactly went wrong and why. The Investigations themselves serve an important purpose, and have made air travel a lot safer for us all.
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What I wish they would do is use a simulator so that people would get an idea as to what a crew went through during a particular accident .
JAL 123 use a 747 sim and show what the crew went through .
BA engine out use the sim for that also .
You guys get the idea on this and it'll be as real as you can get.
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least favourites
all the unrelavant spin offs
jal 123 ,reason why,
the crash is lame, it needs to be bigger, more explosive and more dramatic
I respect the gist of your post, but please remember these are real accidents in which real people died, often horrendous deaths, its not just entertainment and gripping CGI like in a Transformers film.I'm with the other guys on here who said this statement is in very poor taste.
That said, I think most of the episodes are good from an educational/analysis perspective for those of us in the industry to learn from others' tragic mistakes, my most interesting being the Tenerife disaster episode. This series is actually used in CRM courses today and lots of Crew Resource Management case studies can very directly be studied from the events they analyse.
If I could change two things, it would be 1/ the wrong cockpits they show while re-enacting the crashes and 2/ the unnaturally spoken ATC-crew dialogues. Thes actual scripts are taken directly from CVR/ATC transcripts, but the tone etc is often way off what real life radio comms sounds like-far more like 'the bold and the beautiful' rather than real pilots and ATC officers!
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I respect the gist of your post, but please remember these are real accidents in which real people died, often horrendous deaths, its not just entertainment and gripping CGI like in a Transformers film.I'm with the other guys on here who said this statement is in very poor taste.
That said, I think most of the episodes are good from an educational/analysis perspective for those of us in the industry to learn from others' tragic mistakes, my most interesting being the Tenerife disaster episode. This series is actually used in CRM courses today and lots of Crew Resource Management case studies can very directly be studied from the events they analyse.
If I could change two things, it would be 1/ the wrong cockpits they show while re-enacting the crashes and 2/ the unnaturally spoken ATC-crew dialogues. Thes actual scripts are taken directly from CVR/ATC transcripts, but the tone etc is often way off what real life radio comms sounds like-far more like 'the bold and the beautiful' rather than real pilots and ATC officers!
In reply to your last line I still say that they schould use an actual sim. to recreate these incidents.
Trust me when I say that one has a better understanding for what these crews had to deal with when you use real time training .
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In reply to your last line I still say that they schould use an actual sim. to recreate these incidents.
Trust me when I say that one has a better understanding for what these crews had to deal with when you use real time training .
You mean like film real type rated crews in a real (type appropriate) sim to reenact these?
I agree, there will be nothing more realistic than that. But I guess logistically that would be very hard to pull off,and to find an airline willing to let their crew and sim be used for this...not likely.
not favourite, but was amazed to see how an aircraft survived even after the whole roof ripped apart and blown away. just the chief purser got lost in the blue. i am referring to aloha incident
Uh, guys...these were REAL events that killed lots of people. Saying that any of them was a favorite is like picking the best mass murderer or most fun natural disaster.
hehehe, that's why i don't have any favorite episodes of air crash investigation, unless they have "happy ending", i.e. gimli glider, taca 110, northwest 85, reeve aleutian 8, miracle on hudson river
Oh oh, and the one where the BA '747 flew through the volcanic cloud and everyone was treated to a light show, albeit with no engines running!
The Canadian one where the guy glided the plane onto a drag race track (an old runway) was good too.
There is also a series called Seconds From Disaster, and I think it was that one which did the Comet crashes, particularly the first one off the coast of Italy.
What marked that particular programme out though was that they actually told you what sort of injuries the people had sustained and how this helped in working out what happened, seeing as nobody had really seen anything of the like before.
As I seem to remember, a hatch on the top of the aircraft came off due to the fatigue cracks leading to it, the resulting explosive decompression meant that most onboard flew upwards, fracturing their skulls on the ceiling, before falling back down and injuring their lower legs, whilst at the the same time their lungs ruptured with the change in air pressure, and then the plane started to fall apart.
Lovely, I know, but at least it would have been quick.
I find the comet one interesting too, I also like seconds from disasters TWA flight 800
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The worst episode was the one about ZS-SAS, the "Helderberg" disaster. The crash was never properly explained in REAL life, so they had nothing except speculation in the episode, delivered by one of South Africa's most over dramatic investigative journalists who knows absolutely nothing about aviation.
Not exactly off topic but nothing to do with ACI...Anyone in the UK that can get movies4men or men&movies they show a series called Crash Files..There's only 6 but worth watching....
It is possible to download crash reports as pdf's from the authorities NTSB, CAA etc. They make very interesting reading.
Sad occurrences.
The one that I find upsetting is the horrific BEA trident Papa India @ Staines crash 40 years ago. As I was about a mile away when it came down.
Of the programs it has to be United Flight 232 DC10 Sioux City. There is quite a good film under the name of "1000 Heroes" containing footage.
I managed to pick up a cassette transcript of the Tower/Cockpit which is the last 20 minutes or so. Harrowing.
I would only refer to the ones with no casualties as my favourite. But if there ever was one with casualties that impacted me it would have to be DHL and Bashkirian Airlines crash over Uberlingen, and the Saudi Arabian Airlines and Air Kazakhstan over Charkhi Dadri.
For some reason, the only one I can really find is this, but the series included things such as the Comet crashes, Concorde visiting New York for the first time, Lockerbie, 9/11 and the Concorde Crash.
Anyway, as I say, I can only find this, so enjoy, even if you can't remember where you were when you heard the news:
The episode that meant the most to me, was the Korean Air 747F crash at Stansted. I was 45mins into my night shift as an Operations Controller, when that dreadful event took place. Its a shift that I'll never forget
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I think some people might have taken this the wrong way, by 'favourite' I meant the one that impacted you the most, really affected you, not liking the fact that people die
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I think some people might have taken this the wrong way, by 'favourite' I meant the one that impacted you the most, really affected you, not liking the fact that people die
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Anyone remember ANZ 901 ?
There used to be a clip on you tube which has since been removed which contained an interior shot right up to the point of impact .
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Saudi Arabian Airlines and Air Kazakhstan over Charkhi Dadri.
Now this one gave me horrific flashes every time I was about to sleep after watching the episode.
There's a rare never seen, classified video on youtube showing Indian rescuers scrounging the debris & found a sadistically charred bodies that looked like as they were screaming!
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