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Old 01-16-2012, 03:27 PM   #1
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I just don't see how such a "Titanic-like" accident could happen in the modern world with all the technology at hand ... obviously the truth will come out soon, but at this point, the speculation points towards "human error" on the part of the captain ... thank goodness it wasn't an even worse tragedy in terms of casualties ...



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How expensive an "oops" was this? The layout is really great.
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Not only was it Friday the 13th but almost 100 years to the sinking of the Titanic.
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Yeah, great graphics! I heard on Sky News that the story going around is that it has become a bit of a 'thing'amongst the Costa captains to get really close in shore at this location to wave at friends who live there. It apparently was started by a Costa captain whose home was on the island. He used to come as close in as he could to wave at his wife...

Now I really don't know if this is even remotely true, or if its just the usual press hype, but it certainly looks like a bizzarre pickle they got themselves into...
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Not only was it Friday the 13th but almost 100 years to the sinking of the Titanic.
I am actually going to be on a cruise ship on the day of the 100th anniversary of the Titanic sinking.
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what the hell was the captain smokeing to take a huge ship that close to shore?

My wife just got information this boat had balinese crew, Horrific for everybody who died but i hope my wifes family and friends werent working this ship.

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a few more,,,,,,,,,This is the problem with mass transport, the bigger it is the harder the fall.

How many people have died in this incident so far?
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Yeah, incredible how this could happen, I've heard rumours that the captain was distracted from steering the boat.
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I can hardly wait for the movie version of this to come out in a few years time.
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I believe they are going to rename the ship "Costa Bloodylotta".
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This happen Friday and you guys are just now discussing this?
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How expensive an "oops" was this? The layout is really great.
The current estimate is $1.8 Billion loss. The value of the ship was $.5 billion and thought in about a billion in liability for injuries and loss of life. Now if there is a fuel spill and environmental disaster the cost will go up. That's a big ticket for the head waiter to wave at his family on the island.
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Yeah, incredible how this could happen, I've heard rumours that the captain was distracted from steering the boat.
The Captain was steering the ship. He took it off it's pre-programed GPS course (without the approval of the company) to to do the shipping equivalent of buzzing the island so the head waiter, who is from the island, could wave at his family (the waiter posted on Facebook before the ship hit the reef they were going to do this). Even the waiter told the Captain he was too close.
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I haven't heard anything more about this, but it was suggested that since the area has some sceimic events every so often, someone had suggested that perhaps the rocks under the water had moved since the last time a ship came through the channel, hence why it hit rock.

Either that or the Captain must be feeling like his life has just ended.

I have not heard any jokes (although there must be some about) about the captain abandonning the ship early yet - he's Italian, and we all know how easily they surrender.... eh? eh??
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Hey Captain Crunch, I hope you enjoy Italian prison.
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Hey Captain Crunch, I hope you enjoy Italian prison.
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I heard that people enjoy this cruise line because it really rocks!
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Just watching the news there and they are using explosions to get into the ship to rescue people (there are a group of Germans still missing apparently).

There was the news reporter guy giving the usual banal 'Live' news whilst not actually saying anything new, when all of a sudden there was a large bang behind him.
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a few more,,,,,,,,,This is the problem with mass transport, the bigger it is the harder the fall.
Precisely my fear some day with a fully-laden A380 ... let's just hope it NEVER happens!
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Precisely my fear some day with a fully-laden A380 ... let's just hope it NEVER happens!
But you know it will inevitably. Laws of probability, and the fact that humans are fallible. This is not the first time stupidity has sunk a ship, but it is a first for a cruise ship. The other cruise ships that have sunk or had an emergency at sea have been weather related or fires/engine failures.
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Or enemy action (Lusitania).
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Just a question: Don't these modern cruise ships have a depth-finding sonar?
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Just a question: Don't these modern cruise ships have a depth-finding sonar?
You would think that it should be equipped with every conceivable collision-avoidance technology known to man ... right? But if you defy the rules and perform a "sail-by" most likely all alarms or warnings would already have been triggered (or ignored) and therefore rendered irrelevant and inconsequential perhaps?
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I heard 3 dead and 29 still missing.

A tape apparently from the coast guard was released in an Italian newspaper today in which the coast guard basically ordered the captain back on board to do a head count and check if there were injuries or any pregnant women or children or elderly people aboard still. He refused to back on board.

They then ordered him back and he refused again. The coast guard warned him he was in dereliction of his duty and still he refused.

Now I've been captain of a burning aeroplane with 12 pax on board.Its not fun but it's your duty to see each last passenger off. The captain stays on board until every last passenger has evacuated. Its just not good enough to run off like he did.
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I heard 3 dead and 29 still missing.

A tape apparently from the coast guard was released in an Italian newspaper today in which the coast guard basically ordered the captain back on board to do a head count and check if there were injuries or any pregnant women or children or elderly people aboard still. He refused to back on board.

They then ordered him back and he refused again. The coast guard warned him he was in dereliction of his duty and still he refused.

Now I've been captain of a burning aeroplane with 12 pax on board.Its not fun but it's your duty to see each last passenger off. The captain stays on board until every last passenger has evacuated. Its just not good enough to run off like he did.
The entire scenario is extremely bizarre in our modern world ... from the "sail-by" for the benefit of the head waiter to the collision itself ... to the defiance of the captain in times of emergency.


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This is a sad reminder from the Universe that's it's bigger than we are.
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What, bigger than the ship?
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What, bigger than the ship?
yup. This was an "accident" but I'm sure it was a series of small mis-steps that lead to this situation. imo, it's just a wake up call that no matter how big we build it, or how sophisticated we've become, sh_t can happen. I wonder if the Captains friends are still his friends?
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yup. This was an "accident" but I'm sure it was a series of small mis-steps that lead to this situation. imo, it's just a wake up call that no matter how big we build it, or how sophisticated we've become, sh_t can happen. I wonder if the Captains friends are still his friends?
Just looking at the graphics & you gotta wonder, with todays sophisticated navigational aids, how in the hell did he get so far off course? Captain Stubing (The Love Boat) never got lost!
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I wasn't there, so tough to say. It was a fairly new technology laden vessel, so it was probably a host of small mistakes that lead to this big mistake. News reports mention the captain bailed before the passengers. That's gotta be bad for his, and his families, future if true.
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yup. This was an "accident" but I'm sure it was a series of small mis-steps that lead to this situation. imo, it's just a wake up call that no matter how big we build it, or how sophisticated we've become, sh_t can happen. I wonder if the Captains friends are still his friends?
As Tupé stated above, it was primarily due to the fact that the head waiter wanted to "wave" to his family on his home island of Giglio ... as simple as that. They have done this before, but probably never quite this close ... and the results speak for themselves.

Captain's favor to head waiter to blame for cruise ship disaster?

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Francesco Schettino made the dangerous maneuver so that the Costa Concordia's head waiter could salute his family on land, according to reports.
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As Tupé stated above, it was primarily due to the fact that the head waiter wanted to "wave" to his family on his home island of Giglio ... as simple as that. They have done this before, but probably never quite this close ... and the results speak for themselves.

Captain's favor to head waiter to blame for cruise ship disaster?
Crap.....what a bad reason to crash something that big just say "hi"!
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Crap.....what a bad reason to crash something that big just say "hi"!
Yup ... the bigger they are ... the faster they SINK ...

BTW ... I was watching some "World News" channel last night and they mentioned that there very well may be a "disaster recovery" team sent there (presumably by the insurance company) that will do the following tasks to the wrecked hull:
  1. Pump out all the fuel oil in the storage tanks
  2. Patch up all of the external damage
  3. Pump out all the water
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  5. Tow it back to the repair shipyard for refurbishing

Does that sound amazing or WHAT? They're gonna FIX the dang thing!!!
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I guess if one can float a National Airlines 727 out of Escambia Bay, Fla., and make her fly again, anything is possible.
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It will takes them several weeks or months to determine the salvage status. It still remains to be sen if the ship does not slide into the sea and completely sinks.
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Does that sound amazing or WHAT? They're gonna FIX the dang thing!!!
They have salvaged and reused other things before, it isn't that out of the ordinary.
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They have salvaged and reused other things before, it isn't that out of the ordinary.
Yes, look how many times Joan Rivers has had a face left.
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Even if they fix this ship, who's going to want to sail on it? An old sailor's superstition about re-floating a sunken ship, especially one where people have died, will have a lot of people reluctant to want to work on this poor wreck. They might change the name or even sell it if they can.
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An example were the battleships sunk during Pearl Harbor. Many of the crews swear they were haunted.
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Even if they fix this ship, who's going to want to sail on it? An old sailor's superstition about re-floating a sunken ship, especially one where people have died, will have a lot of people reluctant to want to work on this poor wreck. They might change the name or even sell it if they can.
But what are the chances of this happening a second time to this ship?
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But what are the chances of this happening a second time to this ship?
Not likely, but that's not the superstition. It's an unlucky ship. And now a haunted one.
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Reminds me slightly of that Argentinian '747....
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As far as refloating the Concordia, it's possible but maybe not so likely ... there are plenty of articles on this topic, and here's a portion of one of them:

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Refloating the ship would be the cleanest of the two options, but is extremely difficult because of the luxury liner’s size, he said, adding that the ship had about 45,000 tons of steel alone.

Efforts to find those still missing from the Costa Concordia disaster and to begin pumping out the fuel were temporarily halted Wednesday after the vessel shifted slightly. It was not known when those efforts could restart. Weather forecasts predicted increasing waves in the area for Thursday.

In addition, rescue workers blew several small holes in the ship’s hull this week, to speed their search for any survivors.

To refloat the stricken liner, salvage crews would likely use pulling barges strongly anchored to the sea bed and cables secured to the ship, Van Rooij said. They would likely also put cables on the land side of the ship to prevent its huge bulk from sliding toward the pulling barges as the vessel is righted.

But he said the forces involved in attempting to pull upright a ship built of tens of thousands of tons of steel make refloating the Concordia unlikely.

“Refloating would be the preferred method and everybody will look at it but I think it’s very doubtful that will be the final method,” Van Rooij said.

That means salvagers are more likely to cut up the ship where it lies, a process that risks releasing pollutants into the waters off picturesque Tuscan coast near a maritime sanctuary for dolphins, porpoises and whales.

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Old 01-19-2012, 11:29 AM   #45
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Perhaps Concordia will become the most expensive artificial reef off the coast of Italy?
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Old 01-19-2012, 06:19 PM   #46
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Perhaps Concordia will become the most expensive artificial reef off the coast of Italy?
From what I've been reading/watching, they definitely have to remove the vessel one way or the other - whether by floating it away for repairs, or by deconstruction and hauling away by barges.

Here's an interesting video from CNN ... the technique they might use to right the ship is call "parbuckling" ... a term I've never heard of that's for sure!

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Reminds me slightly of that Argentinian '747....
I haven't heard about that...please share the story? Is it similar to the Eastern L1011 that crashed in the Everglades? Salvaged parts and after they had put them on other Tristars, crews said they started seeing odd things?
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Its possible he's referring to this. F-GITA was repaired and continues to fly.
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What ? Artificial reef ? I couldn't and wouldn't want to scuba dive where people have died, I think pull it out of the water chop it up and that's that.
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What ? Artificial reef ? I couldn't and wouldn't want to scuba dive where people have died, I think pull it out of the water chop it up and that's that.

Divers visit WWII sunken ships in the South Pacific all the time.
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