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Old 04-11-2008, 12:31 AM   #1
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Default 1:200 Custom Hasegawa Boeing 747 Dreamlifter LCF N747BC

this one is going to be one fun project! maybe be a long project too. i got the design and engineering all down in my head so hopefully it wont take that long to crank it out.

i really love winglets on the original LCF design, i may just leave them in on my model. still trying to decide

just finished studying some photos and drew the cut lines on the model already. this weekend i go to my local hardware shop and hunt down a tube i can use as the underlying shape and support. i think i need a 1.25in diameter tube, if i can find one.

glue is drying as we speak so i cant make the cut tonight....even though im dying to make the cut!
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My best wishes for you, the donor 747, and the final product. It's going to be awesome. That LCF is an awesome plane. I remember watching it take off from KBFI at about midnight, in the snow, with winglets. I'd vote for the winglets to stay on.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:46 AM   #3
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Can't wait your LCF to be finished! I know Risesoon produced LCF model for the ceremony hold for 1st LCF rolled out, but they used CNC method so very limited quantity is produced and hard to get.

Here are some pics I took and I hope this help.
Flickr: Search Lin.y.c's photostream

I went to the hangar when LCF 3 was building. Don't forget to convert the vertical stablilizer (rudder) since they did make it higher.

I intended to make a custom LCF in 1/200 too because 1/500 is too small but it's too hard to me.
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Just wondering, is she going to be painted up in bare metal on the original parts, all green, or white?

The Boeing Store also has a LCF model in 1:100 scale for $475.
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much thanks for the wishes guys.

thanks KHH on the tips. i didnt even notice the tail was higher. was that Risesoon LCF a 1:200?
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Just wondering, is she going to be painted up in bare metal on the original parts, all green, or white?

The Boeing Store also has a LCF model in 1:100 scale for $475.
all white like the final version. im not a fan of the bare metal.
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I am not sure about the scale of RS LCF, they should be 1/200 or 1/130 I think.
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Do you have a spare 747SP there? Cause the LCF is equipped with an "-SP tail"
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Do you have a spare 747SP there? Cause the LCF is equipped with an "-SP tail"
sure is.
there is no 1/200 plastic kit so you may have to vandalise a snap-to kit for the SP tail.
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now why didnt i think of scrapping a SP for it!??? i may be able to just order the tail from flight miniatures....through their shipping rates are through the roof.

i suppose i can also mod my own.
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No point modding it. Just get an extra tail for the SP from FM. If I'm not mistaken they're in CA aern't they, as are you?
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i think they are in arizona, a state away from me.

i may mod it myself as FM tails have no detail on them. plus they charge $8 in shipping for an item that can be easily shipped for less than $1.83. maybe even as low as $0.50. i dont even see a SP tail avaliable from them.
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Their shipping costs are astronomical. I don't know how the hell they work it out. I try not to buy from them if possible.
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sometimes things must get dirtier before they get prettier. i still am unsure if this project will be successful or not. im documenting my process for those who want to try it themselves. I'm taking all the risk for you guys already

im working off of these two pictures. make anet your best friend.






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bought a 1.25in diameter overflow kitchen sink drainage PVC pipe from my local hardware store and cut it down to length (PVC will NOT glue properly with epoxy or superglue to plastic. you MUST roughen the surface first...will be discussed later)


a quick test fit shows that i made the fuselage cut a tad too low as the bulge sits a bit lower. all you really need is the length of the flat part of the bulge, the sloping areas you will need to shape it with a product called milliput. will correct the height with boosters in the fuselage later.


always always remember to add weights. i got 47g of lead in here plus the standard hasegawa kit ballasts and i may add more just to be safe. this fuselage already weighs about twice the weight of a standard hogan model


make styrene backings for the windows so putty can fill it properly and smoothen up your edges with an utility knife or very coarse sandpaper. i think i filled that front door up that i wasnt supposed to. oops


Then you are good to go for the next round. Stay Tuned!


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The real plane under process was cut from the middle of the passenger windows. Just want to tell you that buy I think you can still use putty or sth to modify. Also, LCF is bit longer than 747-400.

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yea the whole point was to use putty for the sides, as the sides arent full circles in cross section and ill extend it downwards

the lcf is only 4 feet longer. im not going to do anything about that as it is neglectable.
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This is a mighty ambitious project!

I look forward to seeing the finished product.

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I look forward to seeing the finished product.
indeed this is a very ambitious project, i don't like destroying my planes personally, then again i dont buy any to destroy either. good luck with this, it looks like you're going to need it.
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good luck with this, it looks like you're going to need it.
hehe. sure. doubting my skills there a bit? =)
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Brass ones man, brass ones!
I consider the 747 to 747SP taper to be one of the few conversions I would give a 10 for degree of difficulty. Add that to the sculpted curves of the LCF and you're going to need a case of Shiner Bock handy!
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u guys are scaring me =P. haha not really. should be totally doable
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hehe. sure. doubting my skills there a bit? =)
Kai's skills?!?! nonono not a chance. but this does seem like an interesting project trying to modify an airplane by incorporating something that wasnt designed for anything of the sort. connecting the parts should be interesting but i'm sure u'll find a way.
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ok heres what i got so far.

made a rudimentary support for the tube to boost it higher up by about 2mm since i cut the fuselage down lower than i wanted it to go. added 2 more lead weights for a total of 9 7g weights. very heavy!


first time actually for me using epoxy. roughened up the tube and the supports with some coarse sandpaper so the glue will adhere better. i actually dont know if this will hold or if i mixed it right. its a 60min epoxy so i guess i will find out later. my wire cutters are just there to hold it down while it sets


so until tomorrow! tomorrow i will insert "covers" to cover the two ends of the tube so my milliput has a backing to stick to and also begin the mulliput process. this one is going to take the longest so while that milliput dries, ill go mod the tail.
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VERY NICE SO FAR! Can't wait to see the finished product!
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I am sure this first ever 1:200 Dream Lifter will be absolutely gorgeous when it comes out from the Eva Hangar!!!! Good luck Kai~

By the way, I have seen the first Dream Lifter in the real Eva Hangar when I was in Taipei about 2 years ago!!
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me too. don't know if ANYBODODY's everdone anyhting like this before. you gon be famous!
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im not aiming to be famous, i just want to inspire other people to do projects too and inspire me back!!
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Not a single doubt, you'll finish it and the result will be good. Seeing your other works turned out pretty awesome.
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the dirtiest job is adding milliput. loosely added some for this first round of puttying. spare sprues are actually my best friend too as it saves me from having to put just that much more expensive milliput. also added covers for both sides of the tube so the milliput can stick to something.

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she is taking shape!
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Extreme makeover plane edition.
Good luck with that Kai.
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thanks!

anyways, please excuse me as i post some pics for my own reference. this way i wont have to keep going back to anet.

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Could you change the thread heading to completed when done....these surgical pics are a bit too gruesome for me
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thanks!

anyways, please excuse me as i post some pics for my own reference. this way i wont have to keep going back to anet.
I know it's a downscaled scale model compared to the bigger model you are doing.
Thought it was useful as a referenceshot. Hope this helps. Good luck dude.

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How has it been going? Can't wait to see your update.. hehe
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Bless you man!!! Good luck and have fun building!!
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Dreamlifter - a set on Flickr

Kai, maybe you will need the above link
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mm, still plastering over =P. milliput aint the easiest thing to work with. i keep getting bad mixes as sometimes it turns out hard, sometimes its a tad soft

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Kai, maybe you will need the above link
much THANKS! thanks for the continual support. im beginning to think my tube was a bit too narrow in diameter. but ill worry about that later




will update with more pics of progress tonight. ill get to work on the tail tonight....or at least started on it
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the sprues all covered up. i got the general shape down. i think one more round of puttying and ill be good to start shaping! model is SO heavy!! im starting to work on the tail too, you can sort of see its getting a bit rough up there. drilled 3 holes down the tail but i think ill cut the entire tip of the tail off and work from there.

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Man, there is some SERIOUS modification going on here! I'm sure it will all pay off. Can't wait to see the final result. Keep at it Kai! One of these days I'll get myself into kit building...
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Wow the shape of model is looking good!! I think you will get the final shape of the plane soon. Good luck~

Also ,if the model is really heavy, you may have to reinforce the gears later on.
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been working hard to increase the width of the fuselage since the tube i bought was a bit small and extended the tailtip. next up is to sand everything down and fill in the tail so it blends smoothly. tail looks precarious and looks like i just slapped it onto the existing tailtip but i didnt, it has a foundation in the middle that stretches down into the original tail
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Go Kai Go! It is like a normal guy eating McDonalds and KFC to become... OVERWEIGHT! The plane ain't fat, it's just big boned.
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whew, sanding this bird down is a real chore! i need some ideas of how i can do this more efficiently than just sand paper and my hands! my dremel is too rough on it.
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You could leave it like that and say it sat too long in the desert and got melted...lol Have you tried a sanding block with balsa wood? I dont know how much easier that would be, but it seem easier when I sand that way.
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You could leave it like that and say it sat too long in the desert and got melted...lol Have you tried a sanding block with balsa wood? I dont know how much easier that would be, but it seem easier when I sand that way.
Whos making the decals for your model?
balsa wood is too hard. need some that will conform more to the shape

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Whos making the decals for your model?
how many times did you ask me this already
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:31 PM   #49
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Default Re: 1:200 Custom Hasegawa Boeing 747 Dreamlifter LCF N747BC

Im guessing that Mark is making the decals
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how has it been going kai? It has been one week.. did u meet with some difficulties?
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