Make Your Own Models ... Please read.

Gordon Werner · 07-03-2002, 12:30 AM

OK folks ...

a serious question for y'all.

If a manufacturer were to release "blank" models so that skilled artists like some of those here could make their own planes ... how would you like them to be released?

Please keep in mind that such a model would have to be generic enough so that the majority could make use of it ...

Thanx

Gordon

AV8TOR · 07-03-2002, 12:41 AM

ZERO-Decals please...go with the printed versions all the way!

Westjetter · 07-03-2002, 02:34 AM

Printed all the way!

edwardtumath · 07-03-2002, 04:29 AM

Printed please! Would love to see the Airbuses released in the all white ser. from Dragon. Would love to get Vikings to make me a BI (Royal Brunei) A340!!!!!!

AirDar · 07-03-2002, 04:29 AM

I like the idea of decals for the cockpit and passenger doors/windows. Masking is a BIT¢H!!! If you want it to come out looking REALLY good, the ONLY way is to do all of your painting first and then apply the windows LAST! I'd also want the details like hatches and vents all on the same sheet, indexed for location.

niels · 07-03-2002, 05:18 AM

How about both printed and decals in the same box?
The relative final cost difference should not be too significant.
Printed seems to be popular with most of you but if you have a colourful scheme there's no way you can mask passenger or even cockpit windows that easily. The decals would be quite handy. And if you are `anti-decal' on the basis of old kit decals what you had when you were a kid, then you haven't seen the excellent quality (i.e. invisibility when applied) of current aftermarket decals.

Vikings770 · 07-03-2002, 07:54 AM

I just wish that DW or GJ would do this with their full line of models, no more stripping liveries.

I picked printed cockpit but decals for the windows/doors because the cockpit is a breeze to mask off where the windows/doors are impossible.

Please Dragon, make me blank L-1011's!

Edward, right now I am too busy to start another new model, maybe in the fall.

CB

edwardtumath · 07-03-2002, 08:11 AM

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	Originally posted by Vikings770 I just wish that DW or GJ would do this with their full line of models, no more stripping liveries. I picked printed cockpit but decals for the windows/doors because the cockpit is a breeze to mask off where the windows/doors are impossible. Please Dragon, make me blank L-1011's! Edward, right now I am too busy to start another new model, maybe in the fall. CB

That's OK Chris. Let me know when you are OK to do it and maybe I will settle for a 767 as opposed to an A340!

Regards

Eddy

niels · 07-03-2002, 08:12 AM

Don't forget to cast your vote over in the Custom Models forum on -which- airframe you want to see as a blank:
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...threadid=10199

Vikings770 · 07-03-2002, 08:21 AM

Neils,

We already did,, but so far it has done no good, there have been 0 new blanks released since that thread was created and that is one old thread.

HannibalHays · 07-03-2002, 08:42 AM

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	Originally posted by Vikings770 I just wish that DW or GJ would do this with their full line of models, no more stripping liveries. Please Dragon, make me blank L-1011's!

... it is sooooo difficult to have to choose an existing L-1011 to strip and gut!!! Quite an emotional undertaking.... whew!

Vikings770 · 07-03-2002, 08:43 AM

I use the UA o/c by DW

HannibalHays · 07-03-2002, 08:43 AM

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	Originally posted by Vikings770 Neils, , there have been 0 new blanks released since that thread was created and that is one old thread.

I'm sure I saw some retailer listing a DW MD-11 blank as a new release or "due soon" just recently.... hmmm

Vikings770 · 07-03-2002, 08:53 AM

The MD-11 Blank has been out for some time, it is a special blank version of the World MD-11.

tdh8192 · 07-03-2002, 08:59 AM

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	Originally posted by niels How about both printed and decals in the same box? The relative final cost difference should not be too significant. Printed seems to be popular with most of you but if you have a colourful scheme there's no way you can mask passenger or even cockpit windows that easily. The decals would be quite handy. And if you are `anti-decal' on the basis of old kit decals what you had when you were a kid, then you haven't seen the excellent quality (i.e. invisibility when applied) of current aftermarket decals.

It also help to know how to prepare the model's surface, how to apply the decal and how to finish the model after decaling. I voted for the printed cockpit / decal for the side windows but I like your idea better.

HannibalHays · 07-03-2002, 09:04 AM

How about 1:400 GSE firetrucks that spray acetone...

Steven T De Lisser · 07-03-2002, 09:06 AM

You have to release a blank white plane with a decal sheet for the cockpit and window sets and maybe 1 or 2 alternate configurations. It is virtually impossible to mask around printed windows and doors.

The wings should remain unpainted because anyone wishing to recreate for example, a 707 from the 60's and the 70's, will find that a lot of airlines painted stuff on the wings or the entire wing itself.

Steven

Spider-man · 07-03-2002, 09:14 AM

I think it all comes down to the type of livery you want to do. For example, if you were to make a model of KLM, you would prefer the windows to be decaled as it is very difficult to go around each printed window. Then again, I find decaled windows a pain to apply. When dragon wings were releasing the 1/400 plastic kits, the dealed windows would always rip a part. I would prefer everything to be printed. Mabe having both versions being sold is good?

Peter Johnson · 07-03-2002, 10:48 AM

I voted for decals. Today's decals are invisible when properly applied and overcoated. While you're at it, why not include two sets of decals, just in case... or a way to get replacement decals.

Caravelle · 07-03-2002, 03:49 PM

I am unfortunately not a skilled artist, but starting with your first option "white, with cockpit and passenger windows/doors printed" would be my preferred choice.

Min · 07-04-2002, 08:17 PM

I'd prefer the windows and doors as decals. Makes it easier when painting and applying cheatlines.

MNL · 07-05-2002, 10:49 AM

Printed pls ....... and is it possible a A330/340 , 772 All-white ?

HannibalHays · 07-06-2002, 08:47 AM

Chrome blanks... shiny bellys. Heck, even polished!

MD's.

smoothjazz · 07-07-2002, 10:30 PM

I would like to see printed cockpit, but decals for windows and
doors... It's impossible to cover windows and doors...

07-10-2002, 09:55 PM

Why Gordon...is something in the works

?

I would like to see printed cockpit windows but decals for the passenger windows and doors.

View Poll Results: How would you like blank models released?
white, with cockpit and passenger windows/doors printed	100	36.10%
white, with cockpit and passenger windows/doors as decals	43	15.52%
white, with cockpit windows printed and passenger windows/doors as decals	39	14.08%
white, with cockpit and passenger windows/doors printed AND a set of window/door decals	95	34.30%
Voters: 277. You may not vote on this poll

07-03-2002, 12:30 AM	#1
Gordon Werner Insane Collector Join Date: Jun 1998 Location: Somewhere else Age: 37 Posts: 2,058 Country:	Make Your Own Models ... Please read. OK folks ... a serious question for y'all. If a manufacturer were to release "blank" models so that skilled artists like some of those here could make their own planes ... how would you like them to be released? Please keep in mind that such a model would have to be generic enough so that the majority could make use of it ... Thanx Gordon

07-03-2002, 05:18 AM	#6
niels Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: , Location, Location Posts: 1,517	How about both printed and decals in the same box? The relative final cost difference should not be too significant. Printed seems to be popular with most of you but if you have a colourful scheme there's no way you can mask passenger or even cockpit windows that easily. The decals would be quite handy. And if you are `anti-decal' on the basis of old kit decals what you had when you were a kid, then you haven't seen the excellent quality (i.e. invisibility when applied) of current aftermarket decals. Last edited by niels; 07-03-2002 at 05:22 AM.

07-03-2002, 08:12 AM	#9
niels Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: , Location, Location Posts: 1,517	plug plug Don't forget to cast your vote over in the Custom Models forum on -which- airframe you want to see as a blank: http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...threadid=10199

07-03-2002, 12:41 AM	#2
AV8TOR Insane Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Age: 34 Posts: 1,041 Country:	ZERO-Decals please...go with the printed versions all the way!

07-03-2002, 02:34 AM	#3
Westjetter Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Age: 27 Posts: 2,650	Printed all the way!

07-03-2002, 04:29 AM	#4
edwardtumath Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Age: 25 Posts: 2,341	Printed please! Would love to see the Airbuses released in the all white ser. from Dragon. Would love to get Vikings to make me a BI (Royal Brunei) A340!!!!!!

07-03-2002, 04:29 AM	#5
AirDar I'm watching you... Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Land of BBQ & thin chips Posts: 1,787 Country:	I like the idea of decals for the cockpit and passenger doors/windows. Masking is a BIT¢H!!! If you want it to come out looking REALLY good, the ONLY way is to do all of your painting first and then apply the windows LAST! I'd also want the details like hatches and vents all on the same sheet, indexed for location.

07-03-2002, 07:54 AM	#7
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 40 Posts: 2,957 Country:	I just wish that DW or GJ would do this with their full line of models, no more stripping liveries. I picked printed cockpit but decals for the windows/doors because the cockpit is a breeze to mask off where the windows/doors are impossible. Please Dragon, make me blank L-1011's! Edward, right now I am too busy to start another new model, maybe in the fall. CB

07-03-2002, 08:21 AM	#10
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 40 Posts: 2,957 Country:	Neils, We already did,, but so far it has done no good, there have been 0 new blanks released since that thread was created and that is one old thread.

07-03-2002, 08:43 AM	#12
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 40 Posts: 2,957 Country:	I use the UA o/c by DW

07-03-2002, 08:53 AM	#14
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 40 Posts: 2,957 Country:	The MD-11 Blank has been out for some time, it is a special blank version of the World MD-11.

07-03-2002, 09:04 AM	#16
HannibalHays Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 841	How about 1:400 GSE firetrucks that spray acetone...

07-03-2002, 09:06 AM	#17
Steven T De Lisser Senior Collector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Toronto, Canada Age: 42 Posts: 397	You have to release a blank white plane with a decal sheet for the cockpit and window sets and maybe 1 or 2 alternate configurations. It is virtually impossible to mask around printed windows and doors. The wings should remain unpainted because anyone wishing to recreate for example, a 707 from the 60's and the 70's, will find that a lot of airlines painted stuff on the wings or the entire wing itself. Steven

07-03-2002, 09:14 AM	#18
Spider-man Insane Collector Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada, North America, Earth, Milky Way, Universe Posts: 1,636	I think it all comes down to the type of livery you want to do. For example, if you were to make a model of KLM, you would prefer the windows to be decaled as it is very difficult to go around each printed window. Then again, I find decaled windows a pain to apply. When dragon wings were releasing the 1/400 plastic kits, the dealed windows would always rip a part. I would prefer everything to be printed. Mabe having both versions being sold is good?

07-03-2002, 10:48 AM	#19
Peter Johnson Collector Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: From KDAW, 316deg 3.11nm Posts: 108	I voted for decals. Today's decals are invisible when properly applied and overcoated. While you're at it, why not include two sets of decals, just in case... or a way to get replacement decals.

07-03-2002, 03:49 PM	#20
Caravelle Master Collector Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 686	I am unfortunately not a skilled artist, but starting with your first option "white, with cockpit and passenger windows/doors printed" would be my preferred choice.

07-04-2002, 08:17 PM	#21
Min Senior Collector Join Date: Aug 1999 Location: Seoul, Korea Age: 35 Posts: 198	I'd prefer the windows and doors as decals. Makes it easier when painting and applying cheatlines.

07-05-2002, 10:49 AM	#22
MNL Senior Collector Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: land of the good looking men (Narf) Posts: 396	Printed pls ....... and is it possible a A330/340 , 772 All-white ?

07-06-2002, 08:47 AM	#23
HannibalHays Master Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Valley of the Sun Posts: 841	Chrome blanks... shiny bellys. Heck, even polished! MD's.

07-07-2002, 10:30 PM	#24
smoothjazz More Korean Air in 1/200! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SEOUL KOREA Posts: 5,966 Country:	I would like to see printed cockpit, but decals for windows and doors... It's impossible to cover windows and doors...

07-10-2002, 09:55 PM	#25
metz31689 Guest Posts: n/a	Why Gordon...is something in the works ? I would like to see printed cockpit windows but decals for the passenger windows and doors.