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gospodin · 05-13-2007, 10:04 AM

Man, you have twisted up everything I said. The issue here was what Russia did to the Germans, not what they did the everyone else. You want to get into the whole shebang, it would take a lot more than this forum to deal with it. I am NOT anti-German, you are being a bigot by suggesting that, and I am not an ignorant American, you are being ignorant yourself for suggesting that. Let's just call this quits, since I obviously am not going to be able to say or convince you of anything, you have your viewpoint, and I have mine. I'm sorry your country screwed everybody during the war, I'm sorry the Russians came and screwed you back. I spent seven years as a guest in Germany in the Air Force, first at Ramstein AB, then at a small MUNSS in Memmingen. I love the German people, and have quite a few friends there that I still keep in touch with. If I'd had my way, I would still be living there. But nothing changes what was, not your anger at having an Ami tell you he's read up on your history for 35 years, or that I've seen all the monuments to German and Soviet aggression in the eastern half of Germany, Hungary, Czech Republic, Greece, Italy, France, and Finland. I know about it, if you want I'll dig out a bibliography from my library and you can be the judge. I don't know what kind of history courses they teach in Germany, but I imagine they don't dwell on that chapter of your history. I don't put much faith in American history books, either, so that's why I've read from independant sources, many of the best historians that have published accounts of the times. Before you outright condemn a person for what they know, check your own sources. Being German doesn't mean you know it all, just as being American doesn't mean I know everything about my own history (although I read voraciously about it, too), and having family invovled, as sad as that is, doesn't make you an expert on ALL facets of an event. I suggest we abandon this thread, go to our corners, and have no hard feelings. I'd like to deal with both of you as fellow collectors, interesting people from Europe, and as friends within DAC. I wasn't looking for a fight with anyone, and if I've stirred up hard feelings, I'm sorry.

05-13-2007, 10:04 AM	#13
gospodin Diecast Blasphemer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ceti Alpha V Age: 52 Posts: 3,451	Re: Happy Victory Day! Man, you have twisted up everything I said. The issue here was what Russia did to the Germans, not what they did the everyone else. You want to get into the whole shebang, it would take a lot more than this forum to deal with it. I am NOT anti-German, you are being a bigot by suggesting that, and I am not an ignorant American, you are being ignorant yourself for suggesting that. Let's just call this quits, since I obviously am not going to be able to say or convince you of anything, you have your viewpoint, and I have mine. I'm sorry your country screwed everybody during the war, I'm sorry the Russians came and screwed you back. I spent seven years as a guest in Germany in the Air Force, first at Ramstein AB, then at a small MUNSS in Memmingen. I love the German people, and have quite a few friends there that I still keep in touch with. If I'd had my way, I would still be living there. But nothing changes what was, not your anger at having an Ami tell you he's read up on your history for 35 years, or that I've seen all the monuments to German and Soviet aggression in the eastern half of Germany, Hungary, Czech Republic, Greece, Italy, France, and Finland. I know about it, if you want I'll dig out a bibliography from my library and you can be the judge. I don't know what kind of history courses they teach in Germany, but I imagine they don't dwell on that chapter of your history. I don't put much faith in American history books, either, so that's why I've read from independant sources, many of the best historians that have published accounts of the times. Before you outright condemn a person for what they know, check your own sources. Being German doesn't mean you know it all, just as being American doesn't mean I know everything about my own history (although I read voraciously about it, too), and having family invovled, as sad as that is, doesn't make you an expert on ALL facets of an event. I suggest we abandon this thread, go to our corners, and have no hard feelings. I'd like to deal with both of you as fellow collectors, interesting people from Europe, and as friends within DAC. I wasn't looking for a fight with anyone, and if I've stirred up hard feelings, I'm sorry. __________________ Steve When you wish upon a star, your dreams could come true. Except if it's a comet heading for Earth, then you and everybody else are pretty much hosed. Unless your wish was death by comet.