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Originally Posted by JOHN JOHNSON
Please pardon me, I want to ask that kiddo over the block that question.....(Jetsetter)
Market Condition......
MD-11 and 777
Price tag $130,000,000 per aircraft v.s. 200,000,000> per aircraft. $70,000,000 difference a piece.
Load factor on two of those are similar but 777 can carry more psgr in 3 classes than the MD-11
777 are rumoured to be known as gas-guzzler as well. Around 10-30% more consumpation than the MD-11! However considering the passanger load factor so 777 seem to win..... When people said that MD-11 is gas guzzler and I do not buy to that. It is engine design that is causing poor result on an MD-11 even they have corrected all of the drag problems. Blame to the engine-makers.
Let me ask you that question, Such Airliners like United and AA have excessive 777 fleets and they are struggling!!!!!! Delta deffering to buy any more of 777..... ETOP costs..... etc etc etc is making 777 costly to have.
I do not personally believe that 777 is a right specification as an MD-11 replacement. It is consider as the between size of MD-11 and 747. Look at those Asia-regions are buying more 777 than they are buying the 747.
Soon we will see the Death of 747 if this trend contiunes.
Let me ask you question: After 777F unveiled..... Why don't I see 100+ in order? It is $$$$$$$$$ friggling expensive $$$$$$$$$! Just to carry a cargo of dogs****? You can buy a MD-11 for $10,000,000 to 30,000,000 depending on their age and able to fly more years!!! That makes an AAA+++ for cargoliners to make lot of money with less "plane" payments than if they own an 777F.
MD-11 remain in the best market and remain a great demand.
Soon parts will become a problem for the MD-11. Again, Thanks to Boeing!
Overall, 777 won big time is because it is ALL-NEW aircraft. MD-11 is just an another "DC-10". Suppose if MD-11 is ALL-NEW aircraft than the DC-10 at the price of $130,000,000 and better performance result than the MD-11. It will cripple the 777's success. Without a question!
Do search on fuel consumpation that was debated sometime ago....... You will see the chart of aircraft's fuel consumpation by wizard guy.
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Where Do You Get Your Info?
THE MD-11's Last Price Tag Of 135,000,000 Dollars Was About The Time A 777 Was $140,000,000.
Infaltion, New Developments (And A Little Boeing Greed Due To The Fact This Is A MONEY MAKING MACHINE)
Brought The 777-2LR & 777-300ER To These Levels, But I Think With Discounts An Airline Can Get Basic Versions Of 200 ERs For About 160-170 Million.
You Can Bet If MDC Was Still In Business, The MD-11 Would Be About 180 Million At Least & Over 200 Million For The Proposed MD-12.
As For Fuel Consumption, The 777 Is About 10% Lower Than An Airbus 340- 5 & 6.
If They Were Such Gas Guzzlers & SOOO Expensive, Why Did American & Delta DUMP Thier MD-11s For 777s?
Airlines Are Revelling At The Performance & Operating Costs.
Airlines Are Not Making Money Overall, Because Of Low Passenger Count, Discount Airlines,
As Cheap As Second Hand MD-11s Are, 20-30% More Fuel Burn Than A 777 Or Airbus, Lack Of Spare Parts(Makes Them Costlier) & Delays Do Not Make For Economic Operations. Delays Are More Expensive Than Buying New Planes.
Don't Get Me Wrong, I Like The MD-11. It Is Unfortunate MDC Is No Longer In Business, And I Would Have LOVED To See The Would Have Been MD-12!
It's Just The Way Things Are.
Peace Out
