Jet-X Customers Duped Again!

ZX1100F1 · 11-01-2001, 02:38 PM

Dragon and Jet-X have suckered their customers again.

Jet-X has made claims of: only releasing a limited number of each model.

Check out DML’s site http://www.sky-club.com/ almost any Jet-X model ever made is available and at very low prices. JX-001 (either version) for $20.00 U.S

All you suckers that keep snagging these things up on Ebay need your head examined.

Dave

Travelin' Man · 11-01-2001, 02:44 PM

Exclusive releases to whom?

Are they releasing ALL their models to the public?
Or do they release 500 out of 1,000 and sell the rest on eBay?

I have wondered about this with all these manufacturers. Without an independent audit, the truth will never be known.

tdh8192 · 11-01-2001, 02:57 PM

Here's a chance to fund our retirement accounts... buy up all this $20 stock and flip it onto eBay for big profits!

Criton · 11-01-2001, 03:32 PM

Speaking of troubling....Just saw a retailer advertising the Jet-X United 727 twin-pack for $13.50. I though things were fishy when these started selling for low 20s after being released at $34.00.

Diecast Wings · 11-01-2001, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZX1100F1
Dragon and Jet-X have suckered their customers again.

Jet-X has made claims of: only releasing a limited number of each model.

Check out DML’s site http://www.sky-club.com/ almost any Jet-X model ever made is available and at very low prices. JX-001 (either version) for $20.00 U.S

All you suckers that keep snagging these things up on Ebay need your head examined.

Dave

Umm, generally Jet-X models HAVE BEEN poor sellers on eBay with the exception of the TWA/AA MD83, and the special promotional models (i.e. AA 777 - 150 pieces). The only one I see that someone is "paying too much" for right now is the Dragon Wings / Jet-x B747F American "Chrome" for $50.

axelofc69 · 11-01-2001, 04:26 PM

I dont know if I would order anything from them. Looks a little fishy! I ordered my Pan Am 747sp from a place in Hong Kong and the first on never arrived. I took for ever to get throught to these people that I had not recieved it and I finally got it 2 months later,

Wingman · 11-01-2001, 04:29 PM

Alright Mr. Aaron.

What exactly should we make of this?

I believe that Jet-X has a good product, but it is a different story when trying to construct a sound business operation.

Perhaps if they used Gemini models instead?

P.S. I understand the situation, but I want to read your response just for laughs.

_____________________________

WE NEED A TWA B747SP!!!!!

ZX1100F1 · 11-01-2001, 05:07 PM

Easy on the "Mr. Aaron" stuff there big fella.

My point being:
As far as a collector piece, these planes are zilch. The numbers produced are not limited.

Jet-X has been saying that: Most of these have been sold out for months, when it's obvious they have not been.

AUS2001,
You are right! Jet-X is not much of a player on Ebay. (or anywhere else)

axelofc69,
Your 747SP was not purchased at www.sky-club.com cause they don't sell GJ's.

Andy · 11-01-2001, 05:10 PM

Dave,

Thanks for the wonderfully informative post. And by the time I've paid postage on those models from Hong Kong, I'd have paid just about as much for them as if I'd bought them locally.

Besides, retailers have sales sometimes - what's wrong with that. I suppose some Hong Kong collectors will get a bargain.

Jet-X have produced some different models that neither of the mainstream manufacturers have had the guts to commit to. If you don't like em, don't buy them. Those that want them, will.

Andy

tpozstl · 11-01-2001, 05:37 PM

Yeah, if I like a product I buy it. If I don't like a product, guess what? I don't buy it! Each to their own.

ZX1100F1 · 11-01-2001, 06:43 PM

Your point pinheads?

watthanothai · 11-01-2001, 08:52 PM

How many times have I told you guys about the dirty games Dragon play, now they are even turning on Jet-X !!. This just shows I was correct all along !!!

ContinentalCrew · 11-01-2001, 10:21 PM

It seems pretty obvious to me that Dave is trying yo take his "I hate Jet-X aganda to a new level."

Guess what Dave, I just added you to my "ignore" list. I suggest others follow suit.

And I'm missing the World Series for this? Sheesh.

CX Flyboy · 11-01-2001, 10:36 PM

On many many occasions Dragon etc tell you buy models before they sell out etc... and you guys all fall for it!! The models then appear in huge numbers in the shops in Hong Kong. You guys in the states have been taken for a ride......over and over again....but you don't real care do you?

odarwin · 11-01-2001, 10:59 PM

i'd say the best place to buy models is in Hong Kong! hehehe
the next time i go there i'll bring really lots of money, hahahaha

-darwin

AirDar · 11-02-2001, 01:41 AM

I deal with all this so-called collectible stuff like this:

If it looks cool or reminds me of my youth, I buy it as soon as it is available or I can afford it. If I get a good price on it, I'm that much happier... I don't really CARE WHO makes it as long as it meets my personal standards for WHY I want it at the time. How many are made, or what they sell for on EBay has no effect on me.

Case in point: I wanted to get the TWA/AA MD-83 that Jet-X made, but I was cash poor at the time it released. SO... I missed it. Appearently it is sold out everywhere. WHO CARES! I Don't... another cool looking model will come along soon enough... maybe I'll buy an additional BI 707 from GJ (WHENEVER they release them!

) with the money I didn't spend on that TWA/AA. If DW DOES start "re-releasing" this model and it is made available to me, I probably WILL get it, and be happy for it. If not, oh well...

In this case, the limit kept ME out of the market for this model and lost Jet-X the profit from MY model. On the other hand, the AirCal 737 they made last year is still abundantly available DESPITE its limited nature. This is because there simply aren't enough collectors in the market interested in an AirCal. The down side for me on THIS livery is that while I was able to get this model easily and at my own pace, it is now less likely that subsequent AirCal models will be made on other molds.

Collectors who jump at releases simply because they are "limited" are little better than day-traders who jump at stocks because of a "hot tip" and NOT because they want to own a piece of a particular company. A limit on production is only of value in raising collectability if there are alot of people who really want the product. Limiting a product which will prove popular, as a manufacturer/distributor is not a wise business practise as it, by definition, limits profits on sales. The manufacturer/distributor makes no profit on subsequent re-sales of a product already in the collectors hands. Jet-X lost the profit from MY potential sale. If I buy one from another collector, they get NO more money for that sale to me.

If Dragon is indeed manufacturing MORE of previously "limited" runs because they have proved popular, they are simply following good business practise.

Take the Chevrolet IROC-Z as proof of this... This car was initially produced in limited numbers as a way to generate traffic in the showrooms and tie Chevrolet back into racing in the public eye. No-one at General Motors seriously thought that any large numbers of people would buy it. It was the "sugar to attract the flys" so they could stick them into Corsicas or Luminas or Ill fated Geo's... or just MAYBE a base Camaro. Buyers of IROC's legitimately thought that they were getting something really unique that would hold its resale value well, or even appreciate in the market. But wait, there's more...

When the IROC-Z proved to be a real mover on the showroom floor, (lots of people wanted to own it, COLLECT it.) you better BELIEVE that Chevrolet started producing more of these so-called "limited edition" vehicles. Eventually, (once they let the IROC race car sponsorship contract lapse) they renamed the whole Z-28 line as the IROC-Z just to keep the strong sales going! A "limited" release became a cash cow so the "limit" kept being raised until the only thing you COULD get was this limited version... that's not a limit at all, but it sure made alot of money for GM and alot of drivers happy that they were driving the coolest version of the car! It's because of this that the platform was saved and carried over for another generation so that the car even continues to exist today! The only ones NOT happy were the inital buyers who thought they were getting something exclusive. Tough on them... they bought it for the wrong reason! This same logic applies to the buyers of "limited" Dragon/Jet-X models

But back to the thread... I happen to like many of the Jet-X models and look forward to them producing many more interesting ones. That they are supposedly made in limited numbers is of no concern to me. I have partcipated in their promotions and continue to support them because I can get a few personally interesting models that way. The ones I don't like I let go by. It appears to me that Jet-X is currently leaning more towards a scaled release in the hopes they can make just enough to meet demand and make a profit (hopefully). If that makes it collectable, great! Maybe my kids will make some money off of their old man's silly hobby one day...

Perhaps I'm not a serious collector in some people's eyes for taking this attitude. Well, fine by me. It's MY collection and I have to live with it. At least I'm not worried about getting "rooked".

Anyway, thanks to Dave for pointing this re-release stuff out. I doubt that I'm taking the news as he intended, because I'm happy about a possible second chance at things I happend to miss... but I don't think I'm the type of collector he was trying to raise the ire of in any case.

Garuda · 11-02-2001, 05:39 AM

Dave have done it again. His post on "Hat's off to JetX" received no symphaty at all.

Guess what, Lets look at a very similar case. Qantas F1 by GJ has been listed Sold Out before it is being ship more than a year ago. Yet Qantas sold it at USD18 two months ago. what is wrong with that?

justin · 11-02-2001, 06:26 AM

I agree with everything Air Dar said. The word "rare" is the most abused word in this hobby, something made in quantities varying between several hundred and several thousand is not that rare in my book. I see those "rare" models from most companies still in shops at regular prices all the time, shops selling supposed rare models at regular or discount prices is not restricted to JX, it applies to GJ's too. I am personally not worried about it, I am buying all JX models as I thought it would be nice to build a complete collection, if they are worth money in future then well and good, if they are worth nothing in future then I'm not that bothered either way. If you want to make money, invest it in the market or a special interest account, if you want to collect models do it because you love aircraft or just love models. Most collecting hobbies are ruined by people who's only interest is in making money from ramping prices.

odarwin · 11-02-2001, 07:53 AM

very well said air dar and justin

we really cant help it if people buy it for a cheap price and try to sell it on ebay at an out of this world price, i wouldnt buy those for sure. im just new to this hobby and i only have 16 planes in my collection, and the most expensive plane that i have to pay for was a GJ 747 BA union jack for 1,300 pesos, which is $26, and i dont think im gonna go further with that.

now as for the GJ Qantas F1, i believe its a different story.
i didnt get the chance to get one cause when i found out that it was selling in the qantas wp for 18 dollars, i wasnt able to find a cerdit card in time, so after 2 days, it was already sold out.

just some words that id love to share....

-darwin

george · 11-02-2001, 08:06 AM

The most $$ I paid for one of these little things was for DML's KLM 744, which was $50.00 at the time (more than a year-and-a-half ago)... I've never paid more than $30.00 for any other models since. There's no way in hell that I'll end up paying $150 for DML's (ANA) Pokeman 744s, or GJ Qantas 744, or any other metal piece... it just doesn't make sense to me, but maybe to others.....!
Some of the Jet-X stuff I've found to be nice, others I couldn't care less (like all that PSA and Branniff junk!).... but to Each His/Her Own!

Diecast Wings · 11-02-2001, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Garuda
Dave have done it again. His post on "Hat's off to JetX" received no symphaty at all.

Guess what, Lets look at a very similar case. Qantas F1 by GJ has been listed Sold Out before it is being ship more than a year ago. Yet Qantas sold it at USD18 two months ago. what is wrong with that?

Hey Garuda...guess what? You don't know what you're talking about! The GJ F1 shipment to Qantas to promote an F1 event was lost in Australia until it was rediscovered this year. Qantas decided to sell them on their website since they were originally supposed to be given away as gifts.

ZX1100F1 · 11-02-2001, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Garuda
Dave have done it again. His post on "Hat's off to JetX" received no symphaty at all.

Hey there Garuda boy,

Just what the hell are talking about? "Hat's off to Jet-X"??????
I never made that post asswipe!
Now get back to class.

And uh Justin,
No one ever mentioned "making money" except you, dickweed.

justin · 11-02-2001, 10:56 AM

I guess if you're too stupid to see the relevance of that comment to this thread then you're either mentally retarded or need an education.

Travelin' Man · 11-02-2001, 01:39 PM

Dang Dar - what a legnthy response!

ZX1100F1 · 11-02-2001, 02:05 PM

AirDar,

The Chevy IROC-Z you are griping about had an original (1985) production run of 21,117 units, hardly a limited production run. Nor did GM ever advertise that this car was only going to be built in small numbers.

Justin,
I think you may be the “retard”!
If you’re purchasing these things thinking that they only made 100, 250 or 1,500 of each plane (as they have publicly announced) and that you have something unique, then you are sadly mistaken.
Value is subjective!
I don’t like dishonest business’s!

Dave

KJC · 11-02-2001, 03:09 PM

I can't wait for my Jet-X PSA 727 set to arrive--and I don't give a flying PSA **** how many they made.

Sentinel Chicken · 11-02-2001, 03:34 PM

Dave, I checked out your link above and maybe I'm not getting the picture here. How or where on that website does it make any such suggestion?

Piston 52 Heavy · 11-02-2001, 03:56 PM

Calling people pinheads and asswipes doesn't impress me any!! If you don't like JetX, fine, but get off your soap box!!! People are going to buy them no matter what you think about them.

tdh8192 · 11-02-2001, 04:19 PM

Sorry, Piston 52, but Dave Aaron is entitled to his opinion just like all the rest of us are. You don't have to like or approve of his opinions on Jet-X, but you would agree that he has the right to post them, correct?

BTW, in my experience, a declaration of 'limited' from a given manufacturer usually means 'limited to what we can sell.' Except Gemini, of course.

A company beyond reproach and of only the highest caliber!

Piston 52 Heavy · 11-02-2001, 04:45 PM

I never said that he wasn't entitled to his opinion, I just said that I wasn't impressed with him calling other members asswipes and pinheads. I don't agree with everyone on this forum, but I'm not gonna call them names. Just because I don't agree with someone's opinion, I'm not going to start calling them names. I expect name calling from 8 year olds, not grown adults!!!!!!!

Travelin' Man · 11-02-2001, 04:55 PM

Well I am impressed!

ZX1100F1 · 11-02-2001, 06:19 PM

" I expect name calling from 8 year olds, not grown adults!!!!!!!"

Hey Piston,
Don't expect jackschit from me, Sphincterbreath!

Garuda · 11-02-2001, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Just what the hell are talking about? "Hat's off to Jet-X"??????

Hey, BIG Dave, I mean this thread:
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...highlight=JetX

Quote:

Hey Garuda...guess what? You don't know what you're talking about! The GJ F1 shipment to Qantas to promote an F1 event was lost in Australia until it was rediscovered this year. Qantas decided to sell them on their website since they were originally supposed to be given away as gifts.

Aus2001:
This is exactly what I mean, this thing happen to retailer and we cannot jump to a conclusion that the particular model was re-released. Nobody knows for sure what is happening with the Qf1 and nobody knows for sure what is happening to JetX that recently appeared at Sky Club either.

I am not supporting or againts DW/JetX, GJ, or HW. But, this bashing certain manufacture attitude is way off line.

sergiod · 11-02-2001, 07:20 PM

Dave Aaron.........

is a very very very bitter person and the only way he feels good about himself is by calling other people childish names such as "pinheads, asswipes, dickweed, and the very popular "sphincterbreath." We are all entilted to our opinions and comments and we must respect them however, when one calls others by silly names it only shows the ignorance of that person.

Dave Aaron.....

is either in his early teens with severe acne and sits all night on his computer or he is a grotesquely very overweight man with severe low self-esteem. I believe he might be taking an anti-depressant pill. Men like this usually beat their wives (IF they ever have one). They also might have be repressing some anger from early childhood.

The solution to this folks, amd please listen to me: IGNORE HIM COMPLETELY WHEN HE POSTS A THREAD. Feeding the fire only makes it worse.

In the future, I will read his threads but make no comment. To all of you out there, BUY WHAT YOU WANT! Don't let "its" like "dickweed" persuade you otherwise.

Thank you.

P.S. Dave, it's easier to be nice than rude. Your face probably shows your personality and it must be awful to look at.

Peace.

california · 11-02-2001, 07:21 PM

I don't think Dragonwings being so stupid to keep those models in their warehouse to sell them later through an unreliable site like "sky-club" cause most of us in the state do not trust their service at all!
I mean because sky-club do not answer emails or they do not even have a telephone number to call! so how can I trust them to send my credit card information to a shop that you don't know who they are.
But you never know about Dragonwings! I guess may be they "ARE" stupid

egonzinc · 11-02-2001, 07:22 PM

Some things never change!
Ignore the guy, he'll never run out of insults...
He thrives on controversy.
Opinions are one thing and the "DA Tirades" are something else!
Muck away DA, you divert me!
Every court...

Eduardo

Sentinel Chicken · 11-02-2001, 07:44 PM

Constants in Life:

-Taxes
-Death
-Reality-based TV shows
-Terrorism
-Me never having enough money for the models I want
-Getting cut off on the freeway by an SUV
-Law and Order spinoffs
-and Dave Aaron showing how inadequate of a man he is.

I just love it when there's order in the universe.

AirDar · 11-02-2001, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZX1100F1
AirDar,

The Chevy IROC-Z you are griping about had an original (1985) production run of 21,117 units, hardly a limited production run. Nor did GM ever advertise that this car was only going to be built in small numbers.

Sheesh Dave! Get Gordon to change your member status from "Teddy Ruxpin" to "The Barber of DAC". You REALLY like to split hairs!

I was not griping about it, I was using it as an illustration. I could have care less how the IROC was marketed.

In fact, there was a total production run over 180,000 F-Body vehicles produced in 1985. Of these, in excess of 100,000 units were Camaros. Using this number, the aforementioned 21,117 comes to about 21%. (it is probably a smaller percentage as I believe the production numbers of Camaros exceeded the Firebird by a greater margin than I am attributing.) In the brochures it was hailed as the "Ultimate Z28" and made to seem special in every trade magazine and press release out of GM at the time.

You are correct in stating that they didn't CALL it a "Limited Edition" as that is actually used as a noun by manufacturers most of the time and this particular vehicle didn't have the additional badging saying so. However the public was led to believe that this was an exclusive type of Camaro, different from all of the others and therefore much more covetous. Especially since it had a separate order number attached to the package. This historically had been done to vehicles which went on to become collector's items.

Additionally. I have been an Automobile Designer during my career. (and may return to that line of work soon.) I can tell you that to the big car companies, ANY run under 50,000 units per year is defined as a limited or special edition niche market vehicle. 21,117 IS considered a limited production run by GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia and many others. I KNOW, I designed them for many years!

So yes, while the IROC-Z was not NAMED a "Limited Edition", at its introduction it WAS in fact one.

I understand the initial inference you were making about packaging and marketing SAYING "limited" vs. the reality of what gets produced. However that you want to take me to task over this is subject to question and scrutiny. Think about it Dave, in a perverse way, I was actually making your point FOR you!

Dar~

AirDar · 11-02-2001, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sentinel Chicken
Constants in Life:

-Reality-based TV shows

I WISH this were true Doc... I just lost a great contract on a reality show that got cancelled prior to production!

ANTHONY F DUVA JR · 11-02-2001, 09:27 PM

The 80s IROC-Z was cool-lookin' and all, but I like its 60s ancestors even better! At least the paint didn't peel off!

Sentinel Chicken, once again, a hilarious list!

Piston 52 Heavy · 11-02-2001, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZX1100F1
" I expect name calling from 8 year olds, not grown adults!!!!!!!"

Hey Piston,
Don't expect jackschit from me, Sphincterbreath!

You gotta be joking? Your name calling is so immature. You must be in elementary school! Does your mommy and daddy know what you are calling people?!

Criton · 11-02-2001, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sergiod

The solution to this folks, amd please listen to me: IGNORE HIM COMPLETELY WHEN HE POSTS A THREAD. Feeding the fire only makes it worse.

In the future, I will read his threads but make no comment. To all of you out there, BUY WHAT YOU WANT! Don't let "its" like "dickweed" persuade you otherwise.

I can certainly take Dave's diatribes much more easily than some pixie telling me what to do.

"Buy what you want" Duh. Now that's real useful advice.

Skyline · 11-03-2001, 12:00 AM

What I don't understand is that, for certain period, it's difficult to find Jet-X earlier birds like the Delta MD-11, but the model, together with the Hawaii DC-10 75 ans, appeared in my local hobby shop in cheap cheap prices. Then, how come I need to pay a lot for them before? I'm not mad about this but will be more careful in the future to buy their models.

JOHN JOHNSON · 11-03-2001, 12:44 AM

After view the thread all I see is big negative against Dave. Why? Becuz of his immature comments? All I did was sitting and laughin' like hell.

This definately what he calls it a "FUN THREAD AND I LOVE IT". All he meant is to laughstacking to yall (include me) how sucker we are! Yes I must admit that I am a sucker for paying more in the early stage. Then here the low price and that do questions me!!!!!!!! I thank him for his HONESTITY!!!!!!

I still will buy what I like! period.

Relax, guys..... Dave Aaron loves y'all! as a "Big Brother telling his little brothers to wise up".

If he is an anti-jet-x/DW. It is ok with me and it dont bother me.
He is a GJ PATRIOTISM! Y'all should be thanking him for having GJ to release Delta 2002 Olymplic 757 and 777! We would not have them if NOT FOR HIM! He is a Utahan and he may have powerful influence! (That what I believe the possibilities!)

Cadavre on a stick · 11-03-2001, 03:44 AM

You girls know what IROC stands for, don't ya?

11-03-2001, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZX1100F1
Dragon and Jet-X have suckered their customers again.

Jet-X has made claims of: only releasing a limited number of each model.

Check out DML’s site http://www.sky-club.com/ almost any Jet-X model ever made is available and at very low prices. JX-001 (either version) for $20.00 U.S

All you suckers that keep snagging these things up on Ebay need your head examined.

Dave

I am with Continental Crew on this one and have Dave's opinions and loser statements on ignore. Like we should give a ratzazz what this loser thinks.

Dave, you just don't get it......if people think it has value, they will pay whatever they feel it is worth to have it. Why would you even care what people pay for things? Because in your pathetic world you have nothing better to do than to rag on Jet-X. How pathetic are you Dave. Get over it, get over yourself and find a new hobby loser boy.

ZX1100F1 · 11-03-2001, 12:55 PM

Jimbodiklik,

Kiss my ***!
Go back to butt-punching your *** boyfriend (who's too big a whimp to defend himself)

Just for the record:
I could ****ing care less what any stupid moron pays for a Jet-X!!!!!!!

Moose · 11-03-2001, 01:19 PM

How old are we here???? Wow.

metro · 11-03-2001, 01:25 PM

Anyone notice when you disagree with Dave he will call you a lamb name.

sergiod · 11-03-2001, 02:50 PM

Seems to me like Criton and Dave are really close "friends" wink wink.

Just as they say, "God makes them and they stick together."

Do us all a good favor and go fight for freedom in Afghanistan. Do something with all that anger ladies. Better yet, hook up with Osama and let us blow your heads off!

Peace to all my brothers and sisters on this site who talk with respect.