Hats off to Jet-X

FLYFRONTIER · 10-13-2001, 01:52 PM

Yesterday I received a package from Jet-X containing 3 models that were "awarded" to me for donations I made to the ARC. While I certainly did not expect any reward for my donations, it is nice to see Jet-X do something nice for those who donated. While some others on the BBS spend their time trying to defame the folks at Jet-X, the people at Jet-X try to encourage donations in a time of crises. While I have never met any of these people, I think their actions speak for themselves.

10-13-2001, 01:53 PM

What models were they?

Jeremy F. · 10-13-2001, 01:53 PM

I totally agree with you.

ZX1100F1 · 10-13-2001, 05:38 PM

If you want to make a serious donation: You get your go*damn
check-book out and write out a motherfu**en check and then
you stick the polesmoker in the sonofabit*hen mail.

You don't require others to make the sillyass donation for you and then reward them with a worthless model that's collecting dust in you garage.

Dave Aaron

Jeremy F. · 10-13-2001, 07:02 PM

ROFLMFAO if I donate to you do I get a free Gemini Teddy Ruxpin model?

Quote:

Originally posted by ZX1100F1
If you want to make a serious donation: You get your go*damn
check-book out and write out a motherfu**en check and then
you stick the polesmoker in the sonofabit*hen mail.

You don't require others to make the sillyass donation for you and then reward them with a worthless model that's collecting dust in you garage.

Dave Aaron

ZX1100F1 · 10-13-2001, 07:21 PM

Jeremy,

If you want to make a donation, Do it! And don't expect (or ask for) anything in return otherwise it wasn't much of a donation was it? Cause, let's face it: Your measly 25 bucks aren’t gonna buy much for those poor people after the administrative charges are cut out of it.
A warm and fuzzy feeling is about all your getting, and if you have to be paid off to get it; you’re one lousy pile of crap.

On the other hand, If you make a donation to me, I'll kick the **** out of you.

Jeremy F. · 10-13-2001, 07:31 PM

Actually I donated $300 to the red cross although they will probably only get $25 of it.

FLYFRONTIER · 10-13-2001, 10:13 PM

I do wonder the reason for the deep hatred that ZX1100F1 has towards Jet-X. But anyhow, I donated to the ARC because it was the right thing to do and the only thing that I could do at the moment to help the situation. I am no stranger to donating in times of need and I don't need any contest to get me to do it, but it still is nice to get a pat on the back at times. I don't see how what Jet-X did was bad, when most retailers were promising to donate a portion of their proceeds to charity. In that instance you could make a case that they were trying to increase sales with a gimick (even though I think they too were also just trying to do something, no matter how small). But Jet-X has gained nothing out of this except maybe some much deserved PR

And as far as charities go, the ARC and the Salvation Army are the best at making sure that your donations go to help the ones that need helping. The Salvation Army is able to place over 90% of every dollar donated into the hands of the needy and not in the hands of "management." Not all charities are corrupt.

Jao · 10-13-2001, 11:11 PM

Yup hats off to Jet-X for this.

Gunship01 · 10-13-2001, 11:18 PM

Gotta side with Frontier on this one.

The donations were going to be made regardless. Just so happens a retailer wanted to move some slow selling stock in appreciation for the donations. It's right along the lines with retailers offering to send 10% of a sale to the charity. Just that the money never went through the retailer in this case. It is the same as those who donate the profits of an aircraft sale on EBay to a charity. Yes, people paid even more for the plane because the money wasn't going to a farmer in Idaho.
Anyway to get cash to a charity--that's the goal.
I can't knock any offer by any corporation, company, retailer, seller, buyer whoever, whose purpose is to see that the Red Cross, Salvation Army, Sept 11 Fund, etc, gets much needed funds. I commend them all.
After we all spent our children's education fund over the releases from everyone this past summer, there were many who even upped the number of purchases this past month because of the 10% pledge by several retailers.
The Jet-X models I received were in good conidtion but several boxes were banged up real good. But I'm not bitc#hen, it was a dam fine gesture in my book.

ltu1542hvy · 10-13-2001, 11:50 PM

Thank you Frontier, I couldn't have said it better myself. I donated some money directly (via credit card, not checkbook) to the ARC, using their website. I also bought the models that I would have otherwise, regardless of whether a percentage would have gone to the Red Cross or not, and I highly commend the retailers that did donate some of their proceeds to the cause. Sure, some may argue that it is just a drop in the bucket, however millions of drops do add up to many bucketfulls, if you know what I mean (i.e., just as a purely hypothetical example, if 10 Million people were to donate $50, that is HALF A BILLION dollars, and even after subtracting a reasonable amount for administrative overhead, there is still a lot of money left).

Now, there are some shyster "charities" out there that do keep 90% of the donations for "administrative overhead". I got a phone call about 3 months ago from somebody who was claiming to raise funds to buy new bullet-proof vests for the local Sheriff's department. Considering that an officer got shot in the line of duty in Cary, NC just the other day, I of course considered this a worthy cause, however the way this was presented raised all kinds of red flags for me. I asked the solicitor if ALL of the donation would go towards the cause, and he said that there was of course some administrative overhead to pay for the phone lines and office space, etc., so I flat out asked him how many dollars out of 100 go to the cause, and he said 15, which about knocked my breath away. I resisted calling this guy all kinds of names and simply hung up on him.

I also vaguely remember reading on a web page that "serious charities" like the Red Cross and Salvation Army rely mostly on volunteer labor and keep their administrative overhead to a minimum. I don't remember the exact number, but I also think it is no more than 10% that goes to administrative overhead, as Frontier suggested, and the rest goes to the actual cause. So, using Jeremy's example above of having donated $300, then about $270 and not $25 should go to the cause.

So, when I am serious about making a donation I will make sure to go to the place where it is most effective, such as the Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc. (or in the example above, just go to your local Sheriff's office and write them a check rather than pledging money to some fly-by-night operation like I described), however I do welcome it when retailers who I would have bought stuff from anyway donate some of their proceeds to charity.

Sorry for rambling on, but this has been bothering me all day since I first read Dave Aaron's post.

BTW, for whatever it's worth, please make sure not to neglect any charity you would have donated to if the 9/11 crap wouldn't have happened!

- Bill

flick70 · 10-14-2001, 02:36 AM

I think the point is that because of the donation, Jet-X sent a "thank-you" model. Dave might be correct that the model was gathering dust in the warehouse, but that in my opinion is not even part of the topic. If I was collecting donations for something I was behind, and had something that wasn't valuable to me, but might be to the person that donated...I think I would send it. It helps me to open up some space, and makes the person that trusted me with their donations happy. It is a win-win situation.

I don't think ANYONE donated ANYTHING with the idea they might benefit from it personally. I think insinuating that was the rational behind sending a contribution is pretty tasteless, or at least dead-on wrong.

My glass is up to Jet-X, and to anyone that donated time, money or blood to this crisis.

Skyline · 10-14-2001, 07:13 AM

Everybody please be positive. Appreciate others even it is just a piece of cake. The world is messy enough.

ContinentalCrew · 10-14-2001, 05:31 PM

This was an excellent promotion, and if a few people donated more money because they knew a free airplane was theirs for the taking...well, so be it.

The idea was to get collectors to donate, and some collectors responded positively, in effect, making this promotion a success.

Now, what is the problem with that?

Is it possible that $2500 would not have been collected by the Red Cross or other charities if Jet-X hadn't run the promotion? Unfortunately, the answer is yes. Sometimes, even during times of tragedy, people tend to play the "what's in it for me?" angle. I'm not suggesting that's what happened here...but if you already made a donation, and were digging deep into your wallet and trying to justify another donation, getting a free model made it easier to justify...and, dare I say it, okay to do so.

My wife and I each have been donating seventy-five to one hundred dollars every week since September 11th. So far we've donated eight hundred dollars. Did I do this because we wanted 40 models? Absolutely not. But getting a thank-you in the form of a few free models from Jet-X was and is appreciated.

Dave, you may not like this promotion, or like Jet-X for that matter. Bottom line, however, is that this promo was a good idea for a good cause.

Now get over it already.

Marc

Pete Hamel · 10-14-2001, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltu1542hvy
...millions of drops do add up to many bucketfulls, if you know what I mean (i.e., just as a purely hypothetical example, if 10 Million people were to donate $50, that is HALF A BILLION dollars, and even after subtracting a reasonable amount for administrative overhead, there is still a lot of money left).

- Bill

That about sums it up. Every little bit helps.

Pete

ZX1100F1 · 10-15-2001, 10:02 AM

Marc,

You go ahead and "Now get over it already" punk.

You agree with my comment and then come off with this self-righteous, bossy guy crap?
Damn that's stupid schit!

Travelin' Man · 10-15-2001, 11:56 AM

So what were the models?

Must have not been that great because no one is talking about them.

FLYFRONTIER · 10-15-2001, 10:34 PM

I ended up with the United 727-100/200 two pack and the UAL 767-200. I can't complain as they were gifts. Plus its the first 727-100 in my collection.

Pete Hamel · 10-15-2001, 10:37 PM

Were those both delivery 727s?

Pete

Jao · 10-15-2001, 11:45 PM

Well.....I think they're good enough for giveaways

ContinentalCrew · 10-15-2001, 11:51 PM

The United Twin 727 Pack, the EVA Air MD-11 and a Western Londoner DC-10.

They work quite well for me.

Marc

Sentinel Chicken · 10-16-2001, 10:19 AM

I got a great assortment of models from the EVA Air MD-11 (pax and cargo versions) to the Northwest 747-400 (old livery without "Orient" titles) in chrome. It was nice to get some models that I've always wanted but didn't have the room in the budget for.

They're all welcome additions to the collection and I might give some of the duplicates as gifts to close friends and family.

10-13-2001, 01:52 PM	#1
FLYFRONTIER Freight Puppy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: City by the Bay Posts: 493	Hats off to Jet-X Yesterday I received a package from Jet-X containing 3 models that were "awarded" to me for donations I made to the ARC. While I certainly did not expect any reward for my donations, it is nice to see Jet-X do something nice for those who donated. While some others on the BBS spend their time trying to defame the folks at Jet-X, the people at Jet-X try to encourage donations in a time of crises. While I have never met any of these people, I think their actions speak for themselves.

10-13-2001, 11:11 PM	#9
Jao Insane Collector Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 31 Posts: 1,787	Yup hats off to Jet-X for this. __________________ JAO Please visit my webshots for more pictures.Thank you. http://community.webshots.com/user/jaopao http://www.wings900.com/gallery/show...t=1&ppuser=602

10-13-2001, 11:18 PM	#10
Gunship01 Lufthansa Skyshark Join Date: May 2000 Location: San Diego Age: 45 Posts: 1,400	Gotta side with Frontier on this one. The donations were going to be made regardless. Just so happens a retailer wanted to move some slow selling stock in appreciation for the donations. It's right along the lines with retailers offering to send 10% of a sale to the charity. Just that the money never went through the retailer in this case. It is the same as those who donate the profits of an aircraft sale on EBay to a charity. Yes, people paid even more for the plane because the money wasn't going to a farmer in Idaho. Anyway to get cash to a charity--that's the goal. I can't knock any offer by any corporation, company, retailer, seller, buyer whoever, whose purpose is to see that the Red Cross, Salvation Army, Sept 11 Fund, etc, gets much needed funds. I commend them all. After we all spent our children's education fund over the releases from everyone this past summer, there were many who even upped the number of purchases this past month because of the 10% pledge by several retailers. The Jet-X models I received were in good conidtion but several boxes were banged up real good. But I'm not bitc#hen, it was a dam fine gesture in my book. __________________ Now where's that 747-400 club? More Lufthansa and Virgin Atlantic 744s!! By all that is holy.... MORE JET BLUE AND US AIRWAYS(NC)!!

10-14-2001, 07:13 AM	#13
Skyline Master Collector Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Age: 39 Posts: 949	Everybody please be positive. Appreciate others even it is just a piece of cake. The world is messy enough. __________________ http://www.Bluesky49N.com

10-14-2001, 05:31 PM	#14
ContinentalCrew Master Collector Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The Place So Nice they named it twice...NYC, NY Posts: 834	This was an excellent promotion, and if a few people donated more money because they knew a free airplane was theirs for the taking...well, so be it. The idea was to get collectors to donate, and some collectors responded positively, in effect, making this promotion a success. Now, what is the problem with that? Is it possible that $2500 would not have been collected by the Red Cross or other charities if Jet-X hadn't run the promotion? Unfortunately, the answer is yes. Sometimes, even during times of tragedy, people tend to play the "what's in it for me?" angle. I'm not suggesting that's what happened here...but if you already made a donation, and were digging deep into your wallet and trying to justify another donation, getting a free model made it easier to justify...and, dare I say it, okay to do so. My wife and I each have been donating seventy-five to one hundred dollars every week since September 11th. So far we've donated eight hundred dollars. Did I do this because we wanted 40 models? Absolutely not. But getting a thank-you in the form of a few free models from Jet-X was and is appreciated. Dave, you may not like this promotion, or like Jet-X for that matter. Bottom line, however, is that this promo was a good idea for a good cause. Now get over it already. Marc __________________ LET'S GO ORANGE!!!

10-13-2001, 01:53 PM	#2
metz31689 Guest Posts: n/a	What models were they?

10-13-2001, 01:53 PM	#3
Jeremy F. Insane Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,980	I totally agree with you.

10-13-2001, 05:38 PM	#4
ZX1100F1 Buford T. Justice Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 2,004	If you want to make a serious donation: You get your godamn check-book out and write out a motherfuen check and then you stick the polesmoker in the sonofabithen mail. You don't require others to make the sillyass donation for you and then reward them with a worthless model that's collecting dust in you garage. Dave Aaron

10-13-2001, 07:21 PM	#6
ZX1100F1 Buford T. Justice Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 2,004	Jeremy, If you want to make a donation, Do it! And don't expect (or ask for) anything in return otherwise it wasn't much of a donation was it? Cause, let's face it: Your measly 25 bucks aren’t gonna buy much for those poor people after the administrative charges are cut out of it. A warm and fuzzy feeling is about all your getting, and if you have to be paid off to get it; you’re one lousy pile of crap. On the other hand, If you make a donation to me, I'll kick the **** out of you.

10-13-2001, 07:31 PM	#7
Jeremy F. Insane Collector Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,980	Actually I donated $300 to the red cross although they will probably only get $25 of it.

10-13-2001, 10:13 PM	#8
FLYFRONTIER Freight Puppy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: City by the Bay Posts: 493	I do wonder the reason for the deep hatred that ZX1100F1 has towards Jet-X. But anyhow, I donated to the ARC because it was the right thing to do and the only thing that I could do at the moment to help the situation. I am no stranger to donating in times of need and I don't need any contest to get me to do it, but it still is nice to get a pat on the back at times. I don't see how what Jet-X did was bad, when most retailers were promising to donate a portion of their proceeds to charity. In that instance you could make a case that they were trying to increase sales with a gimick (even though I think they too were also just trying to do something, no matter how small). But Jet-X has gained nothing out of this except maybe some much deserved PR And as far as charities go, the ARC and the Salvation Army are the best at making sure that your donations go to help the ones that need helping. The Salvation Army is able to place over 90% of every dollar donated into the hands of the needy and not in the hands of "management." Not all charities are corrupt.

10-13-2001, 11:50 PM	#11
ltu1542hvy Master Collector Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Durham, North Carolina Age: 42 Posts: 738	Thank you Frontier, I couldn't have said it better myself. I donated some money directly (via credit card, not checkbook) to the ARC, using their website. I also bought the models that I would have otherwise, regardless of whether a percentage would have gone to the Red Cross or not, and I highly commend the retailers that did donate some of their proceeds to the cause. Sure, some may argue that it is just a drop in the bucket, however millions of drops do add up to many bucketfulls, if you know what I mean (i.e., just as a purely hypothetical example, if 10 Million people were to donate $50, that is HALF A BILLION dollars, and even after subtracting a reasonable amount for administrative overhead, there is still a lot of money left). Now, there are some shyster "charities" out there that do keep 90% of the donations for "administrative overhead". I got a phone call about 3 months ago from somebody who was claiming to raise funds to buy new bullet-proof vests for the local Sheriff's department. Considering that an officer got shot in the line of duty in Cary, NC just the other day, I of course considered this a worthy cause, however the way this was presented raised all kinds of red flags for me. I asked the solicitor if ALL of the donation would go towards the cause, and he said that there was of course some administrative overhead to pay for the phone lines and office space, etc., so I flat out asked him how many dollars out of 100 go to the cause, and he said 15, which about knocked my breath away. I resisted calling this guy all kinds of names and simply hung up on him. I also vaguely remember reading on a web page that "serious charities" like the Red Cross and Salvation Army rely mostly on volunteer labor and keep their administrative overhead to a minimum. I don't remember the exact number, but I also think it is no more than 10% that goes to administrative overhead, as Frontier suggested, and the rest goes to the actual cause. So, using Jeremy's example above of having donated $300, then about $270 and not $25 should go to the cause. So, when I am serious about making a donation I will make sure to go to the place where it is most effective, such as the Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc. (or in the example above, just go to your local Sheriff's office and write them a check rather than pledging money to some fly-by-night operation like I described), however I do welcome it when retailers who I would have bought stuff from anyway donate some of their proceeds to charity. Sorry for rambling on, but this has been bothering me all day since I first read Dave Aaron's post. BTW, for whatever it's worth, please make sure not to neglect any charity you would have donated to if the 9/11 crap wouldn't have happened! - Bill

10-14-2001, 02:36 AM	#12
flick70 Insane Collector Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omaha Age: 38 Posts: 1,042	I think the point is that because of the donation, Jet-X sent a "thank-you" model. Dave might be correct that the model was gathering dust in the warehouse, but that in my opinion is not even part of the topic. If I was collecting donations for something I was behind, and had something that wasn't valuable to me, but might be to the person that donated...I think I would send it. It helps me to open up some space, and makes the person that trusted me with their donations happy. It is a win-win situation. I don't think ANYONE donated ANYTHING with the idea they might benefit from it personally. I think insinuating that was the rational behind sending a contribution is pretty tasteless, or at least dead-on wrong. My glass is up to Jet-X, and to anyone that donated time, money or blood to this crisis.

10-15-2001, 10:02 AM	#16
ZX1100F1 Buford T. Justice Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 2,004	Marc, You go ahead and "Now get over it already" punk. You agree with my comment and then come off with this self-righteous, bossy guy crap? Damn that's stupid schit!

10-15-2001, 11:56 AM	#17
Travelin' Man Insane Collector Join Date: May 2000 Location: Aspen USA!!! Posts: 1,919	So what were the models? Must have not been that great because no one is talking about them.

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10-15-2001, 10:34 PM	#18
FLYFRONTIER Freight Puppy Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: City by the Bay Posts: 493	I ended up with the United 727-100/200 two pack and the UAL 767-200. I can't complain as they were gifts. Plus its the first 727-100 in my collection.

10-15-2001, 10:37 PM	#19
Pete Hamel Master Collector Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida USA Posts: 908	Were those both delivery 727s? Pete

10-15-2001, 11:45 PM	#20
Jao Insane Collector Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Quezon City, Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 31 Posts: 1,787	Well.....I think they're good enough for giveaways __________________ JAO Please visit my webshots for more pictures.Thank you. http://community.webshots.com/user/jaopao http://www.wings900.com/gallery/show...t=1&ppuser=602

10-15-2001, 11:51 PM	#21
ContinentalCrew Master Collector Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The Place So Nice they named it twice...NYC, NY Posts: 834	Gee, I happen to like the models I got The United Twin 727 Pack, the EVA Air MD-11 and a Western Londoner DC-10. They work quite well for me. Marc __________________ LET'S GO ORANGE!!!

10-16-2001, 10:19 AM	#22
Sentinel Chicken Go-Getters Go Ozark Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: DFW/THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Posts: 4,167	Christmas in October! I got a great assortment of models from the EVA Air MD-11 (pax and cargo versions) to the Northwest 747-400 (old livery without "Orient" titles) in chrome. It was nice to get some models that I've always wanted but didn't have the room in the budget for. They're all welcome additions to the collection and I might give some of the duplicates as gifts to close friends and family. __________________ *Piss on noise abatement!*