aklein707

In the lone disenting vote, Rep. Lee (D/CA) voted against the rest of the American people. Californians should be outraged, and do whatever is in the people's power to have her removed ASAP! At a time of national unity, we do not need selfish people like that in our government, who are not even representing the views of their constituents. AMERICA, AND THE WHOLE FREE WORLD, MUST STAND UNITED!!

Don Brent

She effectively ended her politcal career on Wednesday. I seriously doubt her electorate will forget this very soon.

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ContinentalCrew

Ms. Lee indicated that district included that of Berkeley, and her constituents would have voted this way if given the choice.

Baloney.

One again, thank God for our way of life and our way of Govenment. I have no doubt that the outraged MAJORITY of her district will not return her to office when her term finally, graciously, ENDS.

BTW - Andrew, are you and all of yours okay?

Marc

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lnusb

In addition to the Red Cross and The NY Firemans fund, I will now be adding Ms. Lee's opponent in the next election to my list of worthy places to donate.

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DirtyBird

As much as I dont agree with the congress woman's decision, her dissenting vote is a good reminder that we are living in a democracy. If you listened to her speech she said she could not in good conscience vote to approve the use of military force by the government because she did not trust the government to do right with it, or something to that affect. To be honest with you she brings up a valid point, we dont want the military to go wiping out questionable targets such as in the case of the pharceutical warehouse in Sudan a few years back. We want calculated, effective and conclusive use of force that will wipe out the enemy, not give it more cause and opportunity to lauch further attacks against the US.

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lnusb

Although I agree with the Congresswoman's right to dissent and that it is her right within a democracy, it seem clear from her web page that she wears the dissenting votes as a badge of honor based on some of the other votes she has done in the past. I firmly believe that the only long-term solution to terrorism will be to hold countries who harbor terrorists responsible for their actions. If Afghanistan, Iraq, Sudan or any other country that knowingly harbors terrorists, they are putting their own people at risk in the process. I will be saddened by the loss of innocent lives in the process of this war both here and around the world, it is just that, a war. We must support our President, and not make a statement for personal or political gain. I am sure that if the Transamerica Tower or Golden Gate Bridge had been taken out, her vote would have been different. She is not acting solely on principal, she is acting on politics. From her web site:

"Likewise, Lee was one of only five U.S. Representatives to vote against a resolution supporting the December 1998 bombing of Iraq and the only Member of Congress to vote against a March 24, 1999 resolution regarding the commitment of troops to Kosovo, votes which have been deemed "courageous" by her constituents and by peace activists nationwide."

As Tony Blair has pointed out, he believes we have shown restraint. Bush is giving the Taliban three days to hand over Bin Laden. Because we could not learn from the first WTC Bombing in 1993, the Embassies in Africa, and the USS Cole, we will have a more escalated war today. The only effective solution against terror in the future will be a zero tolerance approach.

God Bless.

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N. Eberhard

She is an ignorant reality-challenged fool. She best be damm glad that she lives in a democracy since she wouldn't even have the right to vote or hold office or even have a job if the Taliban had anything to do with it.

FLYFRONTIER

The other factor to consider with Ms Lee is that her constituency is Oakland and Berkley. The Oakland voters are probably not too active while the Berkley folks are very vocal. Because of the wonderful freedoms we enjoy in the country, there have been several protest in the Berkley area against the US and our policy. So Ms Lee may be reflecting the views of many of her supporters. As much as it churns my gut to think so.

Don Brent

NCCI, a company based in Bocca Rotan, FL has recently confiscated US flags displayed by workers at their desks. The company spokesman was quoted as saying "we don't feel it is appropriate to display the flag, as some of our employees might find it offensive".... and that "nationalism has no place in the the workplace".

MY GOD!

I pitty the politically correct weenie that comes into my cube and tries to take down my flag.

If you'd like to share your opinions with them you can email their customer service center at www.ncci.com

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JohnnyB

Yes we do live in a democarcy and in a way we need to respect her decision. BUT when we do go to war with whoever once we start losing lives and we start killings thousands or more of their people with the people of this nation to start going oh we're killing more people over there then they did here or we think we did enough damage so that would be enough. If people would hvae done things right the first time we wouldn't have to worry about North Korea and their nuclear missles that they want. If we would've finished and got rid of all the Vietcong we wouldn't have to be worrying about them today. If we would've captured Saddam Hussein in the gulf war and got rid of him we wouldn't have to worry about him today. We need to remember that right now there is all this support but we can't do it like the Gulf War or the Vietnam war or the Korean war. We need to do it like we did in WWII and take over the country and help put in a new government and to take out the threat of them having terriorism. Innocent people will die over there. People in our militray will die so whenever in the future we are still fighting it out we shouldn't back out like in Korea or Vietnam or the Gulf War because if we would've done things right the first time we could probabaly have easily avoided this problem today. My 2 cents worth.

Piston 52 Heavy

If Represenative Lee doesn't want to support the United States and every free nation on this planet, them maybe she should go over to Afghanistan and live with those people. She's an idiot!!!!!!

AlphaSigOU

Remember also that nearly 60 years ago, Sen. Margaret Chase Smith of Wyoming was the lone dissenting vote in the declaration of war against the Axis powers after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

I don't agree with Rep. Lee's decision, either. But she does not represent my Congressional district. (Mine's Steve Largent, ex-Seattle Seahawks quarterback and front runner for the governor's race in Oklahoma next year. The Gov's wife, Cathy Keating is already gunning for Largent's seat in Congress.). If my Congressional representative or senator votes against my interests, then I have not only a right, but a privilege to vote him or her out of office.

If her constituents in the "Politically Correct People's Republic of Beserkeley" return her to office next year, so be it - that's our democratic process in action, misguided her convictions may be in the opinion of most people in the USA. But she will be also become a footnote in future history books about the War on Terrorism, just as Sen. Smith was in WWII history books.

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Chuck Corway (AlphaSigOU)

Causa latet vis est notissima -- the cause is hidden, the results are well known.

James Bond: "I'll take the full odds on the ten, two hundred on the hard way, the limit on all the numbers, two hundred and fifty on the eleven, thank you very much."

Plenty O'Toole: "Hey! You've played this game before!"

James Bond: "Just once."

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!! REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!! REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11!!!!

Ozz

It's been awhile since someone made a usless anal comment here so here goes. Wasn't Steve Largent a wide receiver?

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ORANGE IS BEAUTIFUL
GO WESTJET!!!
We need more CPAir/CDN and don't forget PWA and BA Landor!

aklein707

To further the thoughts of ZK-NBT;
In 1956, the British and French invaded the Suez Canal zone of Egypt, in an attempt to crush the hard-line radical views of then President Gamel Abdel Nasser. Israel also joined in. The U.S. exerted extreme pressure on its allies to show restraint, and withdraw, which they did. 11 years later, Gamel Abdel Nasser was at it again, this time with Syria and Jordan as accomplices. They were heavily defeated in the 6 days war of 1967, although, the U.S. again exerted extreme pressure for restraint before the mission was completed. On a single day in Sept.1970, a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and flown to Cairo, while BOAC VC-10, Swissair DC-8, and TWA 707 were hijacked to the Jordanian desert. (An EL AL 707 was spared the same fate when the captain flipped the plane over on its back, and the hijackers were subdued, and turned over to the British (later released when another BOAC plane was hijacked) The planes were eventually destroyed. In 1973, again war broke out in the Middle East, but again the job was not complete. The famous Henry Kissinger shuttle diplomacy ended hostilities before a decisive victory was at hand. The terrorist movements continued to grow, and many American and Israeli casualties ensued. By 1982, Israel had no choice but to invade Lebanon, to smoke the terrorists out. They had contributed to the civil war which practically destroyed that nation. Again, with the terrorists on the run, the job incomplete, Israel was forced to exercise restraint and eventually pulled back, the job unfinished. Moslem fanatics meanwhile had taken over the goverments, and created extreme instability in Iran, Yemen, Ethiopia, and Sudan. Libya was also a haven for terrorists, who downed a Pan Am 747 over Scotland.

Finally with the Gulf War, it seemed that the U.S. and her allies would finally finish the job. They not only did not finish the job, they prevented Israel from acting against Iraq, who was launching Scud missles at Israel on a daily basis.

2 years later the World Trade Center in New York was bombed, but it was treated as a criminal case in the courts, instead of the act of aggression which it was.

We are now in 2001. The U.S. was attacked on 9-11-2001, with over 5,000 casualties of innocent civilians. In Israel, suicide bombers blow up cafes, discos, pizzarias etc almost on a weekly basis.
WHEN WILL ENOUGH BE ENOUGH!!!

It is high time for the U.S. and her allies, including Israel, to go in and destroy all terrorist's bases, camps, collaberators, sponsors etc where ever they can be found. Enough of restraint, enough of the lawyers, it is time to kill evil, and to destroy this cancer on our planet ONCE AND FOR ALL!! No negotiations, no deals, no arrangements; just death! That is all they understand.

Rep. Lee (D/CA) will go down in the scrapheap of history as a traitor to her own country, and people!

AlphaSigOU

I'm not up to speed on who plays or played whatever position in the NFL (gimme baseball any day, especially the Yankees) - I stand corrected.

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Chuck Corway (AlphaSigOU)

Causa latet vis est notissima -- the cause is hidden, the results are well known.

James Bond: "I'll take the full odds on the ten, two hundred on the hard way, the limit on all the numbers, two hundred and fifty on the eleven, thank you very much."

Plenty O'Toole: "Hey! You've played this game before!"

James Bond: "Just once."

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!! REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!! REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11!!!!

Scott

Andrew Klein's remarks score an historical bulls-eye. I'm afraid the world, with the exception of Israel, has thus far shown a feckless backside to terrorists. Perhaps we shall unite as the body count has reached epic proportions. Sadly, this is the same criterion for placing new stop signs or lights at troublesome intersections. I cringe at the analogy; it contains a modicum of truth.

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Piston 52 Heavy

You nailed that right on!!!! I agree!! We need to dispose of these people once and for all! If we don't take care of the problem once and for all, Bin Laden and his cronies will terrorize more people. My forefathers and ancestors did not fight for my great country and freedom so that these animals can destroy them!!! DEATH TO THEM ALL!!!!!
By the way, Represenative Lee(D/CA) is a waste of space!!

watthanothai

FREEDOM OF SPEECH ????

Dork

I don't know about anybody else, but one of the gemini jets that I really wasn't too interested in is now a must have. That of course is the El Al 747. We'll see who our friends are. Egypt Air and Saudia could soon end up in the diecast Mohave.

tdh8192

Somehow, this sounds funny coming from a place in the world where 'freedom of speech' will land you in jail, or worse!

Watt, you need to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about. Hmmm?

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LeitenderNotarzt

While I condemn any kind of terrorism, Mr. Klein, I would recommend that you also try to recall some of the United States' wars of the 20th century, just so-called "wars" of course in order to give them some justification, but - in fact - acts of terrorism. You have, in an extraordinary overview, summarized the history of terrorism since the 1950's, and you deserve a "B+" mark for your report. Now, be objetive and do the same for the back side of the medal...

Furthermore, folks, we all need to ask ourselves. What are we doing? We are shocked, somehow speechless, in the face of the attacks against New York and Washington last week. We mourn, we are talking about the free world standing united against terrorism. What have we done when Osama bin Laden's terrorists bombed out U.S. Embassies in Tansania and Kenya? What did the "free world" do when 275 innocent people were killed and thousands injured? This is another lesson for "unity we still have to learn.

Thoughtful,

Daniel

Sentinel Chicken

Well, Daniel, how about some examples to support your viewpoint? Pretty brazen to say that the United States has perpetrated acts of terrorism! Andrew has provided us with some examples from history, I would at least expect the same from you if you're gonna express that view.

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AlphaSigOU

I'll try to fill in 'the other side of the medal'.

Until 7:54 am Hawaii time on December 7, 1941, we were of the thought that Fortress America was impenetrable, protected by two oceans. Many operational and security mistakes plunged Pearl Harbor into a false sense of security. The Imperial Japanese Navy proved otherwise one minute later.

Until January 1993, we never thought the World Trade Center, twin pillars of America's financial might, would fall victim to an act of terrorism. A well-placed truck bomb proved otherwise.

Until 9:03 am CDT on April 19, 1995, we were of the thought that terrorism would not strike the United States again. Especially not in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. How wrong we were to assume 'the usual suspects' of Arab or Middle Eastern descent were responsible. And how horrified we were when it turned out that two home-grown American terrorists perpetrated this vile act of terror.

Until 8:48 am EDT on September 11, 2001 we also were of the attitude that such a violent act of terror would ever visit our country. Yes, we were complacent in thinking that way; by the time 'Black Tuesday' ended over 5000 people paid dearly with their lives for our previously complacent attitude.

I remember reading some years ago that Israel presented to the USA (I think it was after the raid on Entebbe in 1976) a copy of the Eleven Commandments - the Ten Commandments of the Bible with an additional commandment inserted by Israel: "Thou shalt not bow down to terrorism."

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto summed it up best; shortly after his return to Japan from the attack on Pearl Harbor, he was quoted as saying: "I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve." Two years later, the 'sleeping giant' paid him back by shooting his aircraft down.

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Chuck Corway (AlphaSigOU)

Causa latet vis est notissima -- the cause is hidden, the results are well known.

James Bond: "I'll take the full odds on the ten, two hundred on the hard way, the limit on all the numbers, two hundred and fifty on the eleven, thank you very much."

Plenty O'Toole: "Hey! You've played this game before!"

James Bond: "Just once."

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!! REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR!!! REMEMBER SEPTEMBER 11!!!!

LeitenderNotarzt

Chuck,

I respected most of your thoughts on this board so far. However, I really hope you do not intend to connect Pearl Harbour with terrorism.

Sentinel,

A few examples to support my "viewpoint". The U.S. involvement in several government overthrows in Latin America (because the acting Presidents did not hamonize with that times' U.S. Government, secret wars in Panama, Laos, 30 years of secret war in Vietnam in order to install a government that appeared to be okay for the U.S. Government and its political conviction. The attempts to overthrow or just skill Fidel Castro on Cuba. Just a few examples for the "other side of the medal". Nevertheless, I should stress: these have been the questionable interventions and, partially, acts of terrorism of recent U.S. Governments and intelligence services, especially Hoover's FBI and the CIA of course. Sometimes, their carefully directed (wrong) information forced a certain U.S. Government's decision. Sometimes, the political players and, in particular, the U.S. citizens did not even know about certain operations. Of course, it is a nature of secret (or 'black') operations to be confidential. But this does not allow any kind of governmental terrorism. This topic definitely is too complex to be discussed in detail on a board like this.

However: identify the responsible terrorists who planned, supported and/or executed the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. These need to be punished.

Daniel