OT - Firebird club plus bonus photo of Aeroclassics Goddess

N. Eberhard · 08-16-2001, 12:46 PM

Well for those who are interested here is a link to my page on the Western Washington Firebird club including the now famous photo taken by Colin Campbell of myself and the Aeroclassics Goddess (now retired).

http://www.geocities.com/~lobird/wwf033eberhard.html

DirtyBird · 08-16-2001, 04:24 PM

Nice car, yummy goddess!

IFTNFS · 08-16-2001, 04:43 PM

Once again, nice 'bird Nick! I'm surprised that the only mod you've done is the skip-shift override. I thought by now you would have gotten a high-flow exhaust filter, or at least filled the tires with hi-performance radial air.

Netcrawer, the Firebird T/A has a different hood because of the Ram Air setup. Instead of just having two openings between the headlights, the T/A has four. The Ram Air intake is directly behind those, so air is forced in without picking up a lot of debris like in the setup you mentioned.

Rick

N. Eberhard · 08-16-2001, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Netcrawer
does "Ram Air" mean your car has a ram air intake?

Yes - the top 2 'nostrils' funnel air directly to the air filter which is positioned much closer to the front of the car than you would normally think. This system is not 100% air tight but there is an aftermarket kit you can buy to make it so and gain about 5-10 more HP over the stock 320 HP. However, the system is designed to keep out most junk before it hits the air filter.

Any aftermarket 'blower' type application would cost a lot more $$ and would be a b-itch to install on this car w/o hood mods. A better alternative would be a turbocharger, hi-performance computer chip plus headers, etc etc.

Ram Air is really a generic term but it has been used with other Pontiacs like the GTO. FYI there is a limiter that shuts the car off when it hits 162 mph so theoretically the TS is 170 or more STOCK. It is technically the 3rd fastest mass-produced US car (ok so it is made in Canada but anyway) behind the Vette and the Viper. It is the fastest and best handling car that Pontiac has ever made - even better than the famed GTOs, etc.

boeingboy · 08-16-2001, 06:14 PM

Wow, beautiful on both counts, Nick! I'd better keep buying models so you can afford gas

Ozz · 08-16-2001, 06:27 PM

Hubba, Hubba! On both!

ZX1100F1 · 08-16-2001, 07:59 PM

"FYI there is a limiter that shuts the car off when it hits 162 mph"

More useless TRIVIA:
Why did GM incorporate a speed limiter into this car (and the Camaro Z28/SS)?

By the way Nick, NICE CAR!!!! You gotta love those F-bodies!

Your old 77 or 78 looked pretty sharp too.

Dave

N. Eberhard · 08-16-2001, 07:59 PM

Tony - we do have smog cert in WA but not where I live (unincorportated Pierce county). This car really doesnt NEED anything illegal done to it unless the owner just wants to race only.

Borla seems to be quite popular as an aftermarket exhaust system - it can be built with capped y-pipe which would be uncapped when racing 1/4 mile or whatever to bypass the cats. Flowmaster is a little overrated - good but overrated.

The best mod for this car would be lowering it 1.5 inches, putting in Bilstein or other hi-perf shock and getting rid of the crappy Eagle F1s and replacing with Bridgestone Potenzas. This would bring it much closer in line with the Vette for handling and all for about 15-20K less than the Vette.

N. Eberhard · 08-16-2001, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZX1100F1
"FYI there is a limiter that shuts the car off when it hits 162 mph"

More useless TRIVIA:
Why did GM incorporate a speed limiter into this car (and the Camaro Z28/SS)?

By the way Nick, NICE CAR!!!! You gotta love those F-bodies!

Thanks Dave - one guess on the limiter is insurance - that would have to at least be part of the equation. Another reason would be that the Vette owners (and Chevy) would not stand for another GM car to be as fast as the Vette since that is the GM flagship car.

KJC · 08-16-2001, 09:04 PM

Forget the car! Tell us about the chick!

ANTHONY F DUVA JR · 08-16-2001, 09:24 PM

I like the gold one too
Can you drive 162 mph where you live? I wanna head there soon!

chicago727 · 08-16-2001, 10:01 PM

bitchin' car, man!

08-16-2001, 10:31 PM

Why is KJC the only one on the ball here.. The car, ahh its okay,
it aint no crownvic (police package that is), but the girl, YAHOOO

But dont feel sorry for poor Mr. klein, I hear that her replacement
is equally as hot! boy talk about raming something! I'm in.....

Colin J.P. Campbell · 08-16-2001, 11:39 PM

Ah Yes! What good memories that weekend was! Can't wait to come out and visit again in the near future. Good time had by all! When I come back out I got lots of pics for you to browse at Nick.

As for Daves question: My guess is that the limiter was put in place due to the type of tires which may not be rated for higher speeds. (Cheap factory tires that is!) Just a guess. Thats the reason my car has a limiter!

Ozz · 08-16-2001, 11:54 PM

I think in Nick's case the limiter is there because GM knows that FAA employees can't do anything fast.

N. Eberhard · 08-17-2001, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crownvic
But dont feel sorry for poor Mr. klein, I hear that her replacement
is equally as hot!

Uhh, no she is not equally hot - but she is nice.

Kevin - Veronika is the former employee at CAM - she did a lot of work on the aeroclassics models - awesome girl to know and great to be around - must be why I stopped by there weekly!

Colin - are you coming in October to the show? FYI - the Eagle F1 tires are 'Z' rated. Dont come better than that except for NASCAR, etc..

Ozz - you crack me up...........we must meet since you are so close......you will be at the Seattle show?

Colin J.P. Campbell · 08-17-2001, 12:49 AM

Yes i should have made my guess a little clearer. Wasnt neccisarily pertaining to your car but cars in general for the tire rating, its just for sports cars the automotive manufacturers dont think you need to drive faster than the limiter. And they dont want people in K cars going faster than that either, because their tires definately wont handle it!

As for the show yes i will be there, however I had hoped to come out before that for a mini vacation to visit everyone. But I am extremely busy so we will have to see if I get out there twice.

In the mean time I have last years photos to dream about!
lol

JOHN JOHNSON · 08-17-2001, 01:12 AM

Nick,

Nice car you got! and Texasan shal send you a cowboy hat for you to wear while drive that old Trans Am. Colin, Care to drive a Peterbilt truck behind him? (ha ha)

Oh by the way Just curious whether you have tried this? If you have burned rear tires real good and leave the black marks on the road. How long thread on it after you gas it. 10, 20 feet long? Lot of somokes? Fun isnt it?

JOHN JOHNSON · 08-17-2001, 01:32 AM

Hello Netcrawer,

Yes similar like this. Depend on how long thread on the road to determine whether its a FireBIRD or a FireCHICKEN.

I owned a 1985 Ford Thunderbird Turbo coupe in 86. Holy**** this was a pieceof**** that turbo always end up in shop and lot of my friends called it Thinderchicken. I must agree to that. Got rid of it in 87 never again with Turbo-junks. I rather get an V-8 or over.

By the way it was fun to use Turbo and it do "fly-felt" but never again period.

JOHN JOHNSON · 08-17-2001, 01:03 PM

Netcrawer,

Turbo blew up three times! By the way thank for those funny brand jokes. Something new to me and true in some way. ha ha take care.

N. Eberhard · 08-17-2001, 01:36 PM

Great list Tony! Definitely a keeper.

JJ - Best patch I laid was in a Red Robin parking lot (big one). Scared the crap out of a bunch of Asian tourists standing outside the front door. Their eyes got WAY big. BTW, those tires are 275/40ZR17 so there is definitely plenty of rubber burning.

AlphaSigOU · 08-17-2001, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JOHN JOHNSON
...I owned a 1985 Ford Thunderbird Turbo coupe in 86. Holy**** this was a pieceof**** that turbo always end up in shop and lot of my friends called it Thinderchicken. I must agree to that. Got rid of it in 87 never again with Turbo-junks. I rather get an V-8 or over.

Smile when you say 'Thunderchicken!' I drive a '97 Thunderbird LX, 4.6L V-8. (Last year of the original Thunderbird production run before the $%&@!*# SUV killed it.) And before a brief flirtation with a '98 Mustang (before it got totaled in a wreck), a '95 Thunderbird LX V-8. Sadly, that, too got totaled when a $%&@*# SUV skidded across my lane on an icy road on the way to work one lousy Tulsa winter morning.

And as for the 2002 new T-Bird, almost impossible to find one in a dealer's showroom - they get snapped up quickly. At $35,000+ a piece, it better be good!

Cadavre on a stick · 08-17-2001, 02:20 PM

Here's one on Tony's list I didn't see. If it's on there I apologize and will make an appointment with the eye doctor.

FORD-****ing Oakies Really Dig 'em

ZX1100F1 · 08-17-2001, 06:04 PM

The official reason GM limited these cars speed to 162 is that:
The tire manufacturer (Goodyear) advised GM that: 162 mph would be the max sustained speed that they recommended (for these particular tires, the Eagle GS-C & F1’s) and would not warranty the tires if the limit were not imposed. (Good job Jpeg!)

The insurance companies also played a role (not with WS6 or SS.s though)
GM realized that the market for the F-body cars is mostly younger buyers that have trouble affording the hefty insurance premium for high performance cars. Knowing this GM equipped all of the V-6 and many of the V-8 powered F-bodies with a 108mph limiter (these cars had “V” rated tires instead of “Z” to save cost)

In stock form 162 is about all the car is capable of, mind you I am speaking of the Z’s and T/A’s
While the WS6’s and SS’s are capable of a bit more, GM chose to leave the speed limiter intact so the cars would not be passing their coveted (and expensive) Corvette as this could easily be accomplished with only a few relatively inexpensive mods.

Hypertech makes a PCM interface (Power programmer III) that will enable the limiter to be raised to 180mph, this unit will allow you to modify many other parameters as well.

More useless information:
The Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird have the highest/best score in government crash tests (of any sports car), yet more people die every year in these cars than any other car on the road.

08-16-2001, 12:46 PM	#1
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,227	OT - Firebird club plus bonus photo of Aeroclassics Goddess Well for those who are interested here is a link to my page on the Western Washington Firebird club including the now famous photo taken by Colin Campbell of myself and the Aeroclassics Goddess (now retired). http://www.geocities.com/~lobird/wwf033eberhard.html

08-16-2001, 04:24 PM	#2
DirtyBird Master Collector Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Atlanta GA, USA Posts: 895	Nice car, yummy goddess! __________________ Turkish Airlines DC-10-30 from Gemini Jets!

08-16-2001, 06:27 PM	#6
Ozz Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada (CYVR) Age: 50 Posts: 2,763	Hubba, Hubba! On both! __________________ Ozz ORANGE IS BEAUTIFUL *GO WESTJET!!!* We need more CPAir/CDN and don't forget PWA and BA Landor!

08-16-2001, 09:04 PM	#10
KJC Insane Collector Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Pasadena, CA Age: 37 Posts: 2,529	Forget the car! Tell us about the chick! __________________ The white zones are for the immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. No parking!

08-16-2001, 09:24 PM	#11
ANTHONY F DUVA JR ^~.. Maximum R & B ..~^ Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Land of a thousand dances Posts: 3,057	I like the gold one too Can you drive 162 mph where you live? I wanna head there soon! __________________ FLY DUVA AIR's LUXURIOUS, DOUBLE-DECK BOEING "STRATO" CLIPPER !

08-16-2001, 04:43 PM	#3
IFTNFS Senior Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Harwich, MA, USA Age: 27 Posts: 427	Once again, nice 'bird Nick! I'm surprised that the only mod you've done is the skip-shift override. I thought by now you would have gotten a high-flow exhaust filter, or at least filled the tires with hi-performance radial air. Netcrawer, the Firebird T/A has a different hood because of the Ram Air setup. Instead of just having two openings between the headlights, the T/A has four. The Ram Air intake is directly behind those, so air is forced in without picking up a lot of debris like in the setup you mentioned. Rick

08-16-2001, 06:14 PM	#5
boeingboy Senior Collector Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Diego Age: 47 Posts: 195	Wow, beautiful on both counts, Nick! I'd better keep buying models so you can afford gas

08-16-2001, 07:59 PM	#7
ZX1100F1 Buford T. Justice Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Lat:40.33.269 Lon:-111.55.806 Posts: 2,004	"FYI there is a limiter that shuts the car off when it hits 162 mph" More useless TRIVIA: Why did GM incorporate a speed limiter into this car (and the Camaro Z28/SS)? By the way Nick, NICE CAR!!!! You gotta love those F-bodies! Your old 77 or 78 looked pretty sharp too. Dave

08-16-2001, 10:01 PM	#12
chicago727 Senior Collector Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Age: 48 Posts: 224	bitchin' car, man!

08-16-2001, 10:31 PM	#13
crownvic Guest Posts: n/a	Why is KJC the only one on the ball here.. The car, ahh its okay, it aint no crownvic (police package that is), but the girl, YAHOOO But dont feel sorry for poor Mr. klein, I hear that her replacement is equally as hot! boy talk about raming something! I'm in.....

08-16-2001, 11:39 PM	#14
Colin J.P. Campbell Senior Collector Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 279	Ah Yes! What good memories that weekend was! Can't wait to come out and visit again in the near future. Good time had by all! When I come back out I got lots of pics for you to browse at Nick. As for Daves question: My guess is that the limiter was put in place due to the type of tires which may not be rated for higher speeds. (Cheap factory tires that is!) Just a guess. Thats the reason my car has a limiter! __________________ Cheers Colin J.P. Campbell

08-16-2001, 11:54 PM	#15
Ozz Insane Collector Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada (CYVR) Age: 50 Posts: 2,763	I think in Nick's case the limiter is there because GM knows that FAA employees can't do anything fast. __________________ Ozz ORANGE IS BEAUTIFUL *GO WESTJET!!!* We need more CPAir/CDN and don't forget PWA and BA Landor!

08-17-2001, 12:49 AM	#17
Colin J.P. Campbell Senior Collector Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 279	Yes i should have made my guess a little clearer. Wasnt neccisarily pertaining to your car but cars in general for the tire rating, its just for sports cars the automotive manufacturers dont think you need to drive faster than the limiter. And they dont want people in K cars going faster than that either, because their tires definately wont handle it! As for the show yes i will be there, however I had hoped to come out before that for a mini vacation to visit everyone. But I am extremely busy so we will have to see if I get out there twice. In the mean time I have last years photos to dream about! lol __________________ Cheers Colin J.P. Campbell

08-17-2001, 01:12 AM	#18
JOHN JOHNSON Mysterious Collector Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,196	Nick, Nice car you got! and Texasan shal send you a cowboy hat for you to wear while drive that old Trans Am. Colin, Care to drive a Peterbilt truck behind him? (ha ha) Oh by the way Just curious whether you have tried this? If you have burned rear tires real good and leave the black marks on the road. How long thread on it after you gas it. 10, 20 feet long? Lot of somokes? Fun isnt it?

08-17-2001, 01:32 AM	#19
JOHN JOHNSON Mysterious Collector Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,196	Hello Netcrawer, Yes similar like this. Depend on how long thread on the road to determine whether its a FireBIRD or a FireCHICKEN. I owned a 1985 Ford Thunderbird Turbo coupe in 86. Holy** this was a pieceof** that turbo always end up in shop and lot of my friends called it Thinderchicken. I must agree to that. Got rid of it in 87 never again with Turbo-junks. I rather get an V-8 or over. By the way it was fun to use Turbo and it do "fly-felt" but never again period.

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08-17-2001, 01:03 PM	#20
JOHN JOHNSON Mysterious Collector Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,196	Netcrawer, Turbo blew up three times! By the way thank for those funny brand jokes. Something new to me and true in some way. ha ha take care.

08-17-2001, 01:36 PM	#21
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,227	Great list Tony! Definitely a keeper. JJ - Best patch I laid was in a Red Robin parking lot (big one). Scared the crap out of a bunch of Asian tourists standing outside the front door. Their eyes got WAY big. BTW, those tires are 275/40ZR17 so there is definitely plenty of rubber burning.

08-17-2001, 02:20 PM	#23
Cadavre on a stick Master Collector Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Sin Jose, Ca. USA Posts: 632	Here's one on Tony's list I didn't see. If it's on there I apologize and will make an appointment with the eye doctor. FORD-****ing Oakies Really Dig 'em

08-17-2001, 06:04 PM	#24
ZX1100F1 Buford T. Justice Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Lat:40.33.269 Lon:-111.55.806 Posts: 2,004	The official reason GM limited these cars speed to 162 is that: The tire manufacturer (Goodyear) advised GM that: 162 mph would be the max sustained speed that they recommended (for these particular tires, the Eagle GS-C & F1’s) and would not warranty the tires if the limit were not imposed. (Good job Jpeg!) The insurance companies also played a role (not with WS6 or SS.s though) GM realized that the market for the F-body cars is mostly younger buyers that have trouble affording the hefty insurance premium for high performance cars. Knowing this GM equipped all of the V-6 and many of the V-8 powered F-bodies with a 108mph limiter (these cars had “V” rated tires instead of “Z” to save cost) In stock form 162 is about all the car is capable of, mind you I am speaking of the Z’s and T/A’s While the WS6’s and SS’s are capable of a bit more, GM chose to leave the speed limiter intact so the cars would not be passing their coveted (and expensive) Corvette as this could easily be accomplished with only a few relatively inexpensive mods. Hypertech makes a PCM interface (Power programmer III) that will enable the limiter to be raised to 180mph, this unit will allow you to modify many other parameters as well. More useless information: The Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird have the highest/best score in government crash tests (of any sports car), yet more people die every year in these cars than any other car on the road.