Canamwing

Gee, do you think the people who make these diecast aircraft have anything to do with this forum? You have learned alot from the chinese!!!

JB

Gee, do you think your thread was maybe slightly inappropiate for a forum such as this?

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JustPlaneCrazy

What are you talking about?

G-ARPR

I think he has a hidden agenda which has more to do with politics than 1:400 scale models. Best to just ignore him or have the thread deleted (& further threads).

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mjabbasi

Go figure, I'm lost too.

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1:200Freak

Somebody very wisely said this in another thread....(and almost cautioned me to post a bit wisely the next time)

Thanks for the words of wisdon STEVEJ

LOT 737-300

Wow, it did get pulled. Well, either way, it probebly is good it got pulled, seeing how ugly Political Discussions can get here at times.

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goldy

Ok, now is got it. He is referring to the thread about boycotting models because of the rioting that occured in Tibet last week.

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gospodin

That would be a useless, pointless gesture... That would be like changing the name of French fries to Freedom fries...

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Roarer

Or, um... chips

That might confuse people looking for CRISPS though

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Klose

That's pretty immature.

centaur747

Freedom, only if you pay for it. Shipping costs extra, of course. Pretty sad if you ask me.

There is a reality about these pretty little planes we buy, which is that few of us would want to live in the country where they are made. So once in a while it does not hurt to reflect upon what it all means. Does this mean I too have an agenda. No, not really. I bought a lot of these models and I am aware where they are from. But it is so easy to ignore the reality that exists. And one need not know all the facts to know that human rights are not optional.

Last year the issue was consumer protection rights with toys and lead paint. It caused a bigger stir than monks getting clubbed, beaten or shot. So we care more about the planes than the people.
What then does that make us.

And remember, when I paid for the planes I bought the right to voice my opinion.

LOT 737-300

I'm not sure, when I watch tvn24, it gets a lot of attention, at least in Poland it does. I'm somewhat suprised that the US channels are not covering it too well. The most they did was cover Pelosie's(sp?) trip over there followed by Bejing's "STFU" message to her. Of course, I hear that because of the current situation, it is hard for many reporters to get in there. So it probebly isn't too much of a suprise either.

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goldy

JB said that a political discussion has not place on a die cast model hobby forum. There is a thread concerning this located at the 400 SH forum found in the "off topic" area. You might discuss it there. To roughtly quote Andrew K, "This is an interesting topic..."

Peewee

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Ok What Did I Miss?

I Side With The Tibetans.
If We Boycott Models, It Won't Change A Darn Thing.
Might as Well Continue Buying Them.

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Canamwing

Very well put!! I believe this is the right place to talk about this. My 1:400 collection spans over ten years and thousands of dollars. I am just saying that I have very strongly lost any respect for china. Not because of their political system. My utmost respect goes to the Dalia Lama for his peaceful ways. I feel I cannot ignore this kind of compassion with sticking my head in the sand because it hurts some business people.

However! After thinking about it I have found a solution for myself. I will donate a sum of money to my local Tibetan charity and limit the amount of china products I purchase in the future.

FREE TIBET........NOW!!!!!!!!

edchiang

This is a diecast aircraft forum and i don't think its appropriate to discuss any political issues here..

AND BTW IS "DALA LAMA" , not "DALIA LAMA" YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL IT RIGHT TO THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE UTMOST RESPECT

I am not taking sides here but I just want to point out the one side accusation / deception from the western media is clearly flaming me up.

The long history of the problem between tibet and the chinese communism is something that by saying "FREE TIBET" can be concluded, did people actually see the picture behind it beside listening to your local media that seems to be so hateful against the chinese regime, and those so called "freedom" countries, are they that perfect ?


I guess many wouldn't have known that there were 5 young ladies that have been burnt alive by the people who involved in the riot

I guess you guys didn't know that the many monks did actually robbing, trashing, burning other people's property and stuff all that..

I guess you guys haven't seen the pictures that a few Tibetans used knives to slashed one single man alive on the street..



Why didn't you guys say anything when the riots in French Suburban and accused against the France government that the way they dealt with? Why no one say "FREE IRAQ " when they were invaded illegitimately by United States?

And of all of you here keep saying "FREE TIBET" , how many of you have actually try to learn the big picture such as the history of it beside listening to those propagandist ?

From those comments I have listened to lately in the other forums, I am so happy that my education has taught me that I ought to think independently rather than like other people just following the crowd !

Groover158

Dala Lama? really? not according to these sites (including the website of his holiness the 14th Dalai Lama);

The Website of The Office of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama

His Holiness The Dalai Lama

Speaking of respect

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Canamwing

You are right! My apologize! His holiness the Dalai Lama.

edchiang I can assure you that my opinion does not come from any western media. My respect for The Dalai lama comes from reading his books for over a decade and his ability to help people cultivate themselves into sentient beings without trying to change people’s religious values. I am here in India and listen to him speak yesterday. After everything that has happened to his country and people he still tells people to harbor compassion towards china. In my eyes that is pretty big. Once again this is the right place to talk about this due to were the product, we discuss is manufactured.

You Chinese are angry because in the end good will win. It always does. It is not too late for china to be good.
It would even boost china. That is were the Chinese are dumb in thinking the west wants china to make a deal with the Dalai Lama.

Canamwing

You are right! My apologize! His holiness the Dalai Lama.

edchiang I can assure you that my opinion does not come from any western media. My respect for The Dalai lama comes from reading his books for over a decade and his ability to help people cultivate themselves into good sentient beings without trying to change people’s religious values. I am here in India and listen to him speak yesterday. After everything that has happened to his country and people he still tells people to harbor compassion towards china. In my eyes that is pretty big. Once again this is the right place to talk about this due to were the product, we discuss is manufactured.

You Chinese are angry because in the end good will win. It always does. It is not too late for china to be good.
It would even boost china. That is were the Chinese are dumb in thinking the west wants china to make a deal with the Dalai Lama.

edchiang

Well. the way you link diecast aircraft to politics, and from the way you've written and understand things has proven you how immature you are.

So one last question, what do you think of the people dead in the riot and the monks who came out and robbed, the people who were killed and burn alive in the riot? what do you think the government should have done instead since you have been talking about compassion.

I am angry because no one when saying free tibet did actually point the rifle to the people who was involved in the riot, the double standard that the western media was gripping and the unbiasedness of reporting.. Seriously, I don't care if China wants to talk yo Dalai Lama, I just want to point out the the western media was treating the whole situation unfairly.

Well, talking about personal insult, I felt sorry for you if you are a grown up cos the things you said and the way you understand things doesn't sound like one.

Prestwick Pioneer

I cant get my head round peaceful, calm, Buddhist Monks killing and a robbing and a raping and a pillaging. It doesnt seem to be what their religion suggests.
So I take it you are just back from Lhasa then?

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edchiang

I don't need to come back from Lhasa to know this, cos its all taken in the video. Take a look at this for you righteous people.


YouTube - Riot in Tibet: True face of western media

and please see what are some of the monks doing at the very end of the clip ?

Klose

Good one. The demonstrators are more brutal than how western news agencies portray them to be.

edchiang

those 5 girls burnt alive in Tibet's riot - the say from her friends and her father

YouTube - 5 girls burned to death in Lhasa riot

The monk was protesting peacefully as you think? Take a look at this.. Please tell me what are the monks picking knives and stones for? to pray?

YouTube - ???????? The Lhasa Riots


When you guys keep slamming Chinese government on handling the riot, WHO SLAMS THE TIBETANS for killing people and the 5 GIRLS THAN BURNT ALIVE? Sad that you guys were living under CNN and BBC ..

nosegear

thanks Groover158,your on the ball.

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