A Manufacturer's Perspective - Page 3

crownvic · 03-26-2008, 05:15 PM

excellent point Nick...as long time collectors that we are, we've seen ones that get frustrated, or disenchantedl leave and as they exit the newbies are right there to take there place...

JustPlaneCrazy · 03-26-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

I will vouch for the fact that Gemini's main revenue source is airline orders, however any business person (inc. those at Gemini) will also agree that 20% (that would be us collectors) is an important chunk of revenue. Which begs the question, would I like to see 20% of my sales disappear? No. OTOH, would it be my death knell? No as well. Would Gemini/Dragon/Herpa, et al, miss any single collector here? Not in the least bit. Many hundreds of collectors have left this hobby for good most of which have been replaced by newer collectors.

Exactly and right on the money

I never said anything about Gemini or anyone else wanting to loose 20% of their business, I simply said the collector's on these forums did not keep them in business contrary to some of the arrogant belief that it does....

ELY707 · 03-26-2008, 05:30 PM

Just out of curiosity, how many airline orders can they possibly get to maintain their business? You sound like a person who really knows and maybe mention which releases while you're at it. Remember, type very slowly so I can understand.

N. Eberhard · 03-26-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ELY707

Just out of curiosity, how many airline orders can they possibly get to maintain their business? You sound like a person who really knows and maybe mention which releases while you're at it. Remember, type very slowly so I can understand.

Many thousands of units per month are bought and paid for by airlines. One is UPS which is no big suprise to anybody here.

crownvic · 03-26-2008, 06:47 PM

Virgin and BA are big players as is Alaska to name a few

ELY707 · 03-26-2008, 07:45 PM

But my question is, is that enough to maintain a business? Is Gemini constantly re-releasing UPS, Virgin and BA models? I know they produced the 7500 pcs. to Virgin, are they still continuing that production?

JustPlaneCrazy · 03-26-2008, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ELY707

But my question is, is that enough to maintain a business?

Yes..............

goldy · 03-26-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crownvic

FYI I chose to watch family guy instead...much better

TV's "Family Guy" or DVD porn "Family Gay"? I wonder because you are the one who always reminds us that you do have nude photos of one unmentioned forum frequenter.

Peewee

goldy · 03-26-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

Me thinks they based that character on you CV. No wonder I find it so amusing!

Not based on CV it is CV. Think about it, Slickster, have you ever seen them both in the same place at the same time? I rest my case.

Peewee

goldy · 03-26-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

I will vouch for the fact that Gemini's main revenue source is airline orders, however any business person (inc. those at Gemini) will also agree that 20% (that would be us collectors) is an important chunk of revenue. Which begs the question, would I like to see 20% of my sales disappear? No. OTOH, would it be my death knell? No as well. Would Gemini/Dragon/Herpa, et al, miss any single collector here? Not in the least bit. Many hundreds of collectors have left this hobby for good most of which have been replaced by newer collectors.

Can we draw a paralell here? GJ and DW. I would imagine that DW is also support in large by airline orders? How could then not be? Herpa too. If you agree with me then you will also agree that the collector business for DW is small and they should not care so much about it.

If that is true then why does the Dragon rep send to me 5 to 6 emails a week and maybe one phone call asking if I would like to buy something? Model kit, die cast, photos of Nick at Night...whatever. They love the collectors.

Norm

N. Eberhard · 03-26-2008, 10:33 PM

DragonUSA has actual sales reps whose job it is to sell...SELL...SELL !!!!

goldy · 03-27-2008, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

DragonUSA has actual sales reps whose job it is to sell...SELL...SELL !!!!

DragonUSA is a well oiled machine.

Peewee

Groover158 · 03-27-2008, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by goldy

DragonUSA is a well oiled machine.

Peewee

I guess their 1/400 diecast aircraft division is a little squeaky these days

L-1011-Heavy · 03-27-2008, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crownvic

excellent point Nick...as long time collectors that we are, we've seen ones that get frustrated, or disenchantedl leave and as they exit the newbies are right there to take there place...

Which Begs The Question Where Would Gemini Be If Those Collectors Didn't Go?
The Hobby Would Certainly Be Healthier In Every Respect.
Common Sense Dictates You Grow By Keeping Customers, While Adding New Ones, Not Replace Them Every 3-4 Years Because You're Pissed At Them.

ELY707 · 03-27-2008, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

Yes..............

Thanks for answering the first question. How about the second question...are they still continuing production on these so called "limited" models?

JustPlaneCrazy · 03-27-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ELY707

Thanks for answering the first question. How about the second question...are they still continuing production on these so called "limited" models?

You sure are obsessed with GJ's internal business, hmmm, wonder why?

Maybe hidden agenda here

I'm sure if they think it's any of your business, they will tell you,
here is their contact information.....

GeminiJets Online - Contact Us

Heck, maybe they will even share their P&L and balance sheets with you

ELY707 · 03-27-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

You sure are obsessed with GJ's internal business, hmmm, wonder why?

Maybe hidden agenda here

I'm sure if they think it's any of your business, they will tell you,
here is their contact information.....

GeminiJets Online - Contact Us

Heck, maybe they will even share their P&L and balance sheets with you

I have absolutely no agenda in mind. I am simply curious and I would really like to know which airlines order and possibly in what quantities that are enough to maintain a business at 80% of revenue.
You and I both know that GJ would never answer a question like that but you sound like you really know the facts here by belittling others that pose a legitimate question. Remember type S L O W L Y.

goldy · 03-27-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

Which Begs The Question Where Would Gemini Be If Those Collectors Didn't Go?
The Hobby Would Certainly Be Healthier In Every Respect.
Common Sense Dictates You Grow By Keeping Customers, While Adding New Ones, Not Replace Them Every 3-4 Years Because You're Pissed At Them.

True.

Peewee

goldy · 03-27-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ELY707

I have absolutely no agenda in mind. I am simply curious and I would really like to know which airlines order and possibly in what quantities that are enough to maintain a business at 80% of revenue.
You and I both know that GJ would never answer a question like that but you sound like you really know the facts here by belittling others that pose a legitimate question. Remember type S L O W L Y.

You could build a list.

Begin with Virgin and UPS. Add to it Jet Blue, Alaska, Allegiant, Delta, and any other model that you find listed for sale in an airline's online store. Add to the list Omega, Bombardier corporation, Evergreen, off the top of my head.

Peewee

N. Eberhard · 03-27-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

..... Not Replace Them Every 3-4 Years Because You're Pissed At Them.

What? It must be really cold up there because at no point did anyone here nor at Gemini/ADI say they were 'pissed' at collectors.

However, you can look all around here, at other forums, and at the actual offices of distributors and retailers and see that we do poke fun at the absurdity of a SMALL group of collectors whose main reason for living is to pick apart our precious toys. So, if the shoe fits then by all means wear it, otherwise don't take offense where offense was clearly not intended.

L-1011-Heavy · 03-27-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

What? It must be really cold up there because at no point did anyone here nor at Gemini/ADI say they were 'pissed' at collectors.

However, you can look all around here, at other forums, and at the actual offices of distributors and retailers and see that we do poke fun at the absurdity of a SMALL group of collectors whose main reason for living is to pick apart our precious toys. So, if the shoe fits then by all means wear it, otherwise don't take offense where offense was clearly not intended.

Ok.
Collectors Leave For Many Reasons. Most I Presume Is Becauase Of The Impression They Are Being Ridiculed Regardless If That Ridicule Is Aimed At A Few, Or The Collectorate As A Whole.
Who You Aim At Is Irrelevant. We All Get Splattered.

Someone Is Not Doing Their Homework.

We Have Two Very Large Retail Stores. I Meet , Discuss & Observe Hundreds Of Collectors. I Can Spend A Half Day Or More At Av World For Instance.
It Struck Me How A Collector (A Lot Of Them Actually) Can Open Up A Few Boxes, Immediately Put Most Of Them Back, But Then One Of Them They'll Inspect Up To 2 Hours. The Expression On Their Face Says It All.
This Is Not An Isolated Case, It Happens Quite Often. I've Even Seen A Young Mom & Her 2 Very Young Sons Sift For About An Hour Through The Models.

To Think Only A Few Pick Apart Models Is Naive. Oh Most Of Those Collectors Don't Participate On The Forums Either. Probably A Good Thing Too, As Once They Get A Taste Of These Forums They May Very Well Quit Too.

My Experience With These People Is Proof Positive There Are More Than Just A Few Discriminating Byers.
The Numbers Say It All Too.
If 2,000 Collectors Participate, But We Only Represent 20% Of The Collectorate, Then That Means There Are At Least 10,000 Collectors.

Then How Come It's Difficult For Gemini To Sell Out 2,000, 1,500 Or Even 500 (Select) Pieces?
Surely If The Majority Didn't Pick Apart The Models, Gemini Would Have An Empty Warehouse, No?

JustPlaneCrazy · 03-27-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

I Can Spend A Half Day Or More At Av World For Instance.

And from what I've heard, they wish you would go elsewhere since you stand in their store speaking loudly about the junk models that are released and you yourself scare off the other customers....

.......your a class act!

N. Eberhard · 03-27-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

Ok.
Collectors Leave For Many Reasons. Most I Presume Is Becauase Of The Impression They Are Being Ridiculed Regardless If That Ridicule Is Aimed At A Few, Or The Collectorate As A Whole.
Who You Aim At Is Irrelevant. We All Get Splattered.

Someone Is Not Doing Their Homework.

We Have Two Very Large Retail Stores. I Meet , Discuss & Observe Hundreds Of Collectors. I Can Spend A Half Day Or More At Av World For Instance.
It Struck Me How A Collector (A Lot Of Them Actually) Can Open Up A Few Boxes, Immediately Put Most Of Them Back, But Then One Of Them They'll Inspect Up To 2 Hours. The Expression On Their Face Says It All.
This Is Not An Isolated Case, It Happens Quite Often. I've Even Seen A Young Mom & Her 2 Very Young Sons Sift For About An Hour Through The Models.

To Think Only A Few Pick Apart Models Is Naive. Oh Most Of Those Collectors Don't Participate On The Forums Either. Probably A Good Thing Too, As Once They Get A Taste Of These Forums They May Very Well Quit Too.

My Experience With These People Is Proof Positive There Are More Than Just A Few Discriminating Byers.
The Numbers Say It All Too.
If 2,000 Collectors Participate, But We Only Represent 20% Of The Collectorate, Then

03-26-2008, 05:15 PM	#101
crownvic Junior Miss City of Orlando Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,078	Re: A Manufacturer's Perspective excellent point Nick...as long time collectors that we are, we've seen ones that get frustrated, or disenchantedl leave and as they exit the newbies are right there to take there place... __________________ *SOON CELEBRATING 50 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS STUPIDITY AND STILL FOLLOWING NOT LEADING* "Hey Andy, unless we get some Police Package Crown Victorias, I'm quitting, and you can have your bullet back!" And yes, I did do Aunt Bea,,,she was great!

03-26-2008, 05:30 PM	#103
ELY707 insane collector Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 366	Re: A Manufacturer's Perspective Just out of curiosity, how many airline orders can they possibly get to maintain their business? You sound like a person who really knows and maybe mention which releases while you're at it. Remember, type very slowly so I can understand. __________________ Approaching my 1000th model and loving every minute of it!

03-26-2008, 06:47 PM	#105
crownvic Junior Miss City of Orlando Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,078	Re: A Manufacturer's Perspective Virgin and BA are big players as is Alaska to name a few __________________ *SOON CELEBRATING 50 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS STUPIDITY AND STILL FOLLOWING NOT LEADING* "Hey Andy, unless we get some Police Package Crown Victorias, I'm quitting, and you can have your bullet back!" And yes, I did do Aunt Bea,,,she was great!

03-26-2008, 07:45 PM	#106
ELY707 insane collector Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 366	Re: A Manufacturer's Perspective But my question is, is that enough to maintain a business? Is Gemini constantly re-releasing UPS, Virgin and BA models? I know they produced the 7500 pcs. to Virgin, are they still continuing that production? __________________ Approaching my 1000th model and loving every minute of it!

03-26-2008, 10:33 PM	#111
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,339	Re: A Manufacturer's Perspective DragonUSA has actual sales reps whose job it is to sell...SELL...SELL !!!!