Chansen

A collector is a small niche and the rest has to come from other places. I am glad that airlines make these happen so that collectors can get some of what is coming out. Delta DC-8-71 or United DC-8-71 for example!

Groover158

You guys have gotta stop doing this, this is my third iteration of the GJ slogan;

First;

Second (which even confuses me);

New slogan;

'GJ - Made by a company (surely they're not really collectors; they're businessmen) to fulfil the large orders of various airlines whilst adopting a carefully measured over-production technique that allow collectors the privelege of getting some of these produced examples; but frankly, we don't give a ratz whether they buy them or not.'

A couple of questions;

What about those manufacturers who by-pass the particular airline's licencing rights? Who are they producing them for?

Also, who at Ansett is purchasing all of these GJ A320s, aren't some people still owed money? I didn't know that there was a specific Ansett group (similar to the Pan Am Company) that purchases these models.

Also, does this mean that the database will need to be revised or does a release of 2,500 models by GJ include airlines and collectors?

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JustPlaneCrazy

You're the kind of consumer that companies (not just diecast but all) love.....gullible

Every company from Gemini to Coke have slogan's and every company gets a laugh out of consumers behind closed doors...

Trust me, you really think when GJ reads the bull crap posted about one of their models that is down right nit-picking, they say...."oh, nice collector, we love them sooooo much!"

Yeah right........you people live in a fantasy world



Anyone who will buy.

What possible difference does this make to you? You going into the business?

Gemini has never publicized how many they produce so any reference in a database is only speculation.....

Hey, bottom line....(and this is so simple).....and I will type slow for everyone Buy what you like, skip what you don't and enjoy!

All the rest doesn't matter

Moomins

The company better care about the end user of their product for the simple reason that if the end users stop buying it, the company is out of business.

Using your example, Ford Motor Company isn't losing ground against other auto makers because Smith Motors is doing a poor job of marketing their vehicles, they're losing ground because they are producing an inferior product that the end user doesn't want.

The same holds true for the rest of your examples.

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Groover158

You, just like Z mistake my 'having a dig' as being gullible.

Really??? None of us knew that. You obviously work in sales, where you all truely believe that customers are sheep who mindlessly move to the beat of your drum and buy what you tell us.

Sorry, I though you specified airlines in your previous post.

You could have just said; "umm, I don't know"

If it's any consolation, I read it really quickly. I am sure that I, as well as probably everybody else here follows that strategy. Your customers are not as dumb as you portray them to be.

The rest of what else?

My bottom line is that consumers buy stuff because they need or want stuff. Marketing influences the place that they get it or the brand they choose. Factors like manufacturers who don't give a ratz or people in sales who think that customers are just mindless sheep (and don't mind saying so in this forum) won't influence everybody, but they will influence some. I haven't purchased any models from you (yet) so I am obviously not gullible enough (yet).

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JustPlaneCrazy

My customers? I'm just a collector like everyone else, I do not work for any manufacture or sell models as a retailer so I'm not sure what you're talking about.....

Groover158

My apologies, your user name threw me. I thought you were just another mouthy model sales person residing on these forums. I take back the bit where I said I wasn't mindless. I hope that doesn't kill my previous argument.

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Chansen

People like Mc Fly always fall into that trap from you! Very funny. I remember this about a year or two ago.

goldy

Why, yes it is! Those people know that.

Peewee

goldy

I think that Air Do has tricked us. They must have ordered a few models and the excess went to the hobby...but the sales stopped short at the retail level is what happened there.

I have lots of Air Do models...get em right here, lads! Only $9.99. Get em while they last!

Peewee

goldy

Is true for maybe Gemini Jets, Dragon, Phoenix, and Herpa but I do not believe that Mackey Airlines is lining up to buy a CV-440! I would say that the current UAL, Delta, Lufthansa, and so forth might have placed large orders for whatever it is they they are currently flying but not for a DC-8 or some such. Those were and are for the collectors...I suspect.

Peewee

goldy

Read again what I said. You missed my point.

Peewee

Chansen

This isn't Deliverance! They do have water treatment plants.

Moomins

No, I didn't miss your point. I disagree with it.

Your statement that the immediate concern for a company is for the intermediate is incorrect. At the end of the day, distributors, wholesalers, & retailers merely provide a service for a company to deliver its product to the end user (consumer). Obviously the manufacturer's immediate business dealings are with the "middle man", rather directly with the customer, but none of this would occur if the "consumer" did not want the product in the first place.

A business that doesn't listen to the consumers of its products runs a perilous course. Even if we assume that a company only listens to its distributors/wholesalers, where do you suppose they are getting their information from? Similarily, when you talk to the distributor about acquiring new models to retail, what do you base your orders on? If one product line isn't selling, do you order more of it? Why not? Where are you getting you're information from? If the manufacturer doesn't listen to this info as it moves up the chain, what do you think will happen? Assuming it reaches that point, what difference does it make if they focused their concerns on the "immediate intermediate"?

Simple answer...None.

I am a supervisor for a Utility service provider in the Calgary, Alberta area. We own the infrastructure, but contract out put the actual maintenance & operation to a third party. On a routine basis, we spend 90% of our time dealing directly with the operator & 10% interacting directly with our customers. However, don't kid yourself for a minute that 100% of everything we do is directly related to providing a satisfactory & reliable service to the end user. If we didn't, we wouldn't have any customers. No customers equates to no business, regardless of how many "middle men" may exist in between.

Lastly, your analogy about Minnesota/New Orleans is also inaccurate relative to the point you're trying to make. In order to be valid, one would have to make two assumptions.

Firstly, one would have to assume the people in New Orleans were paying people in Minnesota for the water they receive, which they are likely not.

Secondly, you're making the implicit asumption that the people in New Orleans have to accept whatever Minneapolis sends them.

While I cannot say whether or not the first assumption is true, I do know that the parrallel you're trying to make with the second assumption is wrong - diecast collectors do have a choice not to buy an inferior product. It' called "speaking with their pocket books". I suspect the manufacturer might be interested in knowing that, wouldn't you?

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goldy

I suspect that not only did you miss my point but my attempt humor flew completely over your head! I wasn't serious with my mention of the Mississippi. I think iPod got it anyway, as it was directed at him anyway...

Peewee

ba777-236

Wrong Norm.. When McDonalds is making a new burger, they have to make sure the CUSTOMER likes it, so that their restaurants sell it. When Ford redesigns their Mustang, they need to make sure the CUSTOMER will replace his 2005 model so the local dealership gets his sales.

When Gemini Jets makes a new Trident, shouldn't they care what their CUSTOMER wants?

They must care for their retailers, that is true, but the retailers cannot sell a bad product, so it goes hand in hand.

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L-1011-Heavy

Faheem & Moomins Said It.
Gemini Thinks Every Collector Lives In New Orleans...WRONG!
That's Why I Only Buy A Handful A Year.

I Just Wonder How They Make money "Hand Over Fist"
When Their Warehouse Is Full Of Unsold Product & The Retailers Are Selling Their Gemini Inventory Off At 10 Bucks Each Twice A Year.

They Should Have Lived Up To Their "Real As It Gets" Trademark.

Me As A Collector Don't Know Anyone Personally At Gemini & Have Nothing Personal Against Them. I Just Want Good Product. Other Than Show My Disappointment In Many Of Their Moulds, I Have Done Nothing Wrong, But Apparently I Sense Disdain From The Gemini People To Myself & Others.
Why Is That? WE Didn't Make The Mistakes, We're Just Customers With Certain Expectations.
Live Up To It. Act Professional, Make A Good Product And We'll Buy.
Immature Disdain & Comments Towards Customers Is Of To No End To ANYONE, Not Withstanding It Will Not Improve Sales.


PS: What Goes On Behind Closed Doors At Coca-Cola I'm Sure Is Different Than What Goes On Behind Closed Doors At Gemini.

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JustPlaneCrazy

No one from Gemini Jets has ever said anything on these forum's.

(Immature - that's rich coming from a guy who capitalizes every word in a sentence )

Groover158

Do You Mean That Z Doesn't Speak For GJ?...doh!...let me rephrase that; Do you mean that Z doesn't speak for GJ? As my all-time favourite tennis player once said "You can't be serious!!"

By the way JPC, you forgot to include a full-stop or period at the end of your sentence in which you were calling L-1011-Heavy immature because he used capitals for each word in his post.

Seriously though, you are 100% correct. There has been a lot of inferences made in this thread regarding GJ's policies towards customers based on a number of individuals' posts. Unless GJ confirms themselves, these posts (mine especially ) are purely speculation and intended for viewer enjoyment.

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