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NEW RELEASE: 1:400 Netmodels North Central Airlines DC-9-31
Aircraft: DC-9-31 Scale: 1:400 Country: United States of America Continent: North America Part #: NA Wings900 ID#: 16120 Release Date: 2007 Disc Date: 2007 Units Produced: Limited Remarks: "1970s" Colors. Window Code: W2 Box Code: NA Registration:*N952N Engines: 2 JT8D-7B Add to My Collection Add to My Wish List Model Photographs

David Hingtgen

God that's fugly. I've wanted a NC DC-9-30 for a while, but I have standards...

Hey Aeroclassics--how about giving us a NC *delivery scheme* DC-9-30? Netmodels decided to do the same scheme as the SMA -50, but we still need delivery colors (which are better anyways).

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N1011

Agreed, I'll wait for the AC release, if there will be one?

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continental

Yes. We're all well aware of that.

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Planecrazy

Fortunately, I have two of the SMACs in this livery and, so, am not temped by this poor imitation. But, I really hope Mr. Klein does the series 30 in North Central's gold trimmed delivery livery.

aklein707

As posted in the other thread, HOLD OFF on this crap.

We have the exact same model currently enroute; I will try to post photos later today!

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N1011

I'll at least get one for sure..................

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David Hingtgen

Exact same? I know I'm not the only one that wants the delivery version with the gold trim.

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N1011

Gotta pic?

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JustPlaneCrazy

Probably this one.....

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MDWTWA

This is for those who missed out on the SMA version and want a model of this aircraft in the worst way...

And this is the Worst Way!

And since I have the SMA, I can pass...and wait for something else better? Possibly with gold trim???

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David Hingtgen

Yup, that's it. Not many pics at A.net of the delivery version. Lots of pics of it in the North Central article in Airliners. Summer 1992 issue I think. That issue is a better reference for NC than the entire internet combined.

Note that the circle of the tail logo is gold too, with thin blue bordering.

Finally, note that the entire back half of the belly is grey, not bare. You'll see that a lot on all types/schemes of NC DC-9's, it was missed on the SMA release. SMA forgot to paint the WBF grey, too. (They forgot to paint the WBF grey on ALL their bare-bellied DC-9's, actually) And the WBF is still forgotten on most AC releases. What's the problem? DC-9's with bare-metal bellies have grey-painted wing/body fairings, like most every other airliner out there. Why's it so hard for the manufacturers to remember to paint it like all their other releases? Planes with unpainted bellies almost always have the belly fairing painted grey. The DC-9-30 is no exception.

:;edit:: Here's a better pic of the scheme, and it REALLY shows the difference between the bare metal front half, and grey rear half, of the belly.

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N1011

Is there a -50 in this delivery scheme?

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Don't you worry .... you will get this on the AC mould ..

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David Hingtgen

No, the -50 only came in the later scheme.

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shandaken

Herr Klein, will it be a different reg # than the SMA release?

aklein707

SMAC released a -50; mine is a -30; same subject as this BluNutz crap, but alot better!!

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David Hingtgen

I'm surprised you're only making one (it seems)---with your fondness for variant/hybrid schemes, I'd expect a half-dozen from the NC/Republic group. Heck, I think there were more NC/Republic hybrids than full Republic ones!

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aklein707

Actually David, there are seven (7), all different, and all beauties!!

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nappinduke

I'll definitely wait on yours, Dr. Klein. I want the 30, in a bad way, but even I, at first blush,
was repulsed by the one pictured above. Now, if you REALLY want to make the masses happy, you'll do Convair twins in North Central, Republic, Allegheny, etc., etc., etc. ad infinitum. (Puuuuh - leeeease??????)

Steven De Lisser

This is one of my favourite subjects.

The Southern, North Central, Republic hybrids - I want them all.

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ba777-236

Here it is guys, the original, and the true version, the upcoming AeroClassics model:



I think y'all can decide which is the better one

Planecrazy

I will buy a couple of the Aeroclassics even though I have two of SMAC's version. I am, though, disappointed that this is not in the delivery livery but, hopefully, that will come soon.

N1011

Planecrazy, Drew just stated there will be a North Central DC-9-30 delivery colors release in the future and he would know.

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David Hingtgen

Looks like they forgot to paint the belly again.

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MDWTWA

Well, I can tell which is better and which I would like to see on my shelf.

Definitely worth the wait.

Now, about that Midway...

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aklein707

David, sometimes I wish you'd withhold your "observations" until you have actually seen the model.

THE BELLY IS PAINTED!!

Please excuse the poor quality photograph, which was hurriedly taken on the marble window ledge in my hotel room, with less than co-operative lighting.

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aklein707

I'll even let you pick the registration!! Please PM me on 400SH!

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David Hingtgen

Hey, I want to pick a Midway reg number too! I've been asking for one for years! And told many people not to buy Netmodel's crappy releases. N940ML please, City of Des Moines.

PS---DW's the only company that ever shows the belly in their pics. It'd help a lot (well, me at least) in deciding which ones to buy.

PPS---you know, if you ever want to do some TWA twin-stripe DC-9-30's, I can come up with plenty of variants.

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fazeman

Attached is a slide of mine that I had to crop and compress for posting. N772NC definitely has the rear underbelly fuselage in gray. Really though, it goes up to the cheatline.

Whether the first batch of factory fresh DC-9s had gray rear fuselage underbellies when delivered in 1967, I couldn't venture a guess. Maybe they came from the factory that way or maybe the rear gray underbelly came along a little later.

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David Hingtgen

I was mainly talking about the wing/body fairing on the belly, which is inherently grey in all DC-9-30's since it's not made of metal in the first place. The fiberglass belly fairing won't ever be "bare metal". No more than the rubber tires or cockpit glass ever would be. The DC-9-10 can have a (mostly) bare metal fairing since it is made of sheet metal in many areas like the 707's, but the -30 has a differently-shaped one that's almost all composite, and is thus grey. As are the -20/40/50 fairings.

Only NC seems to have painted the rear fuselage grey on an otherwise "bare" lower half, but all DC-9-20/30/40/50's that are "unpainted" on the undersides must paint at least the wing/body fairing grey. (Though there are a few small bits that can remain bare, mainly at the tips) NC delivery colors on -30's lack the grey rear belly. But like all "unpainted underside" -30's, they must have the wing/body fairing grey. Just like the tailcone---it's just one of those areas that's "always grey" if the paintscheme calls for bare metal.

The lack of grey paint on the wing/body fairing has been an issue with a very large number of 1/400 DC-9's from all manufacturers. I mean, 99% of jet airliners have non-metallic wing/body fairings that must be painted, the DC-9 is completely normal in that regard. So why do SO many 1/400 models of it seem to completely forget it? Especially on models that are bare-metal and any grey-painted area should be very obvious and represented on the model, like USAir and Eastern, like here:

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MDWTWA

Done!

Thanks for letting me have some input!

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Gavin Miller

David, I know you have a reputation for being a pedantic "nitpicker", but I wholeheartedly agree with your comments here. Call me a nitpicker too ...

The composite areas are, as you intimate, so large and obvious they can't be missed. To me, they form as much part of the "livery" of the aircraft as the airline's colours.

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Ken

How about the Republic/Hughes Airwest merger? Yellow with purple... sigh.

Any chance?

And how about the double Herman used for a short time after the merger of Southern and North Central?

Thanks,

-Ken

goldy

Pedantic...now there is a word for you. I'm not so sure what what means but I do know that you seem to know a little bit about just about everything.

Peewee

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fazeman

Regarding the WBFs, I noted some interesting findings while looking through my DC-9s & MD-80s.

Aeroclassics: The early DC-9-10s are an interesting study. While they applied grey paint to the complete underside of Finnair and British Midland, they neglected to paint their U.S. domestic releases in the same manner. The Eastern Airlines DC-9-51 was also released without the WBF paint. I reckon this release is from the SMA mould. Hughes Airwest received a yellow bottom from all manufacturers who released the -30.

Dragon Wings/Jet-X: Outstanding job on all of their DC-9s/MD-80s.

Gemini Jets: Except for their Delta -30, all aircraft received the grey WBF.

Navigator: Failed to address the grey WBF.

Phoenix: Mixed bag. While they painted their Ozark -30, they failed to do so with the Swissair -30.

SMA: Like Aeroclassics, they painted the KLM and British Midland -30s, but failed to do likewise with the U.S. domestics.

Sovereign: Mixed bag. Finnair received WBF paint while SAS did not.

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goldy

Phazer, did you remember all of that? Or did you look at each model individually? Either way, most impressive in the way of investigative reporting, lad. I suppose that none of the manufacturers really look at the bottom of the aircraft, but rather only the side shot photos?



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fazeman

I looked at each model individually. Because wing/body fairing pictures are tough to come by, a couple of manufacturers could have taken the extra steps to research the WBFs through other means.

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David Hingtgen

I think you're missing a key point:

We're talking about those with bare metal bellies. Nobody's going to forget to paint the WBF on something like Midway where the entire belly is painted bright red. (At least we hope so) Of course SMA's KLM and NW ones had the WBF painted, because the rest of the undersides were painted.

But on those with "bare metal" bellies, the belly should be painted grey. And you don't even need a pic of the real thing, because as I said, the WBF isn't made of metal on a -30, and so can't BE bare metal--it must be painted grey. You don't need to research or base it on a photo--it's simply going to be grey, if the belly is unpainted. Same as the tailcone---you can't have non-metallic parts be bare metal.

Let's invent a paint scheme. Hypothetical Air. Let's have them use DC-9-30's, and have the bottom half of the plane left in bare metal. Even without knowing the scheme, we know the WBF will have to be painted grey. As will the tailcone. Even if nobody ever photographed the scheme----if people remember that the belly was left unpainted--future generations would know the WBF would have been painted grey.

Of the models which have bare metal bellies, I can't think of any that had the WBF painted grey as it should. And as I said---there's no excuse due to lack of research/photos, as they all have it regardless of airline.

Also---people live on the ground. Planes fly overhead. Most people see plane's bellies, not the tops. A.net may prefer pretty wallpaper shots, but most photos taken in the world of planes I bet show planes from below. There's no lack of pics---just screeners at A.net with different priorities.

Plus---you can clearly see the WBF paint in a side view, look at the ones I posted a few posts ago. Unless you've got a pic from directly overhead, you can easily see the WBF on a DC-9.

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fazeman

No doubt, the topic does focus on bare metal bellies that are supposed to have grey WBFs. And while I fully understand that WBFs will receive the same paint treatment as a painted belly, I erred when I included some of the European examples.

Having said that, Phoenix failed to match the WBF with the paint on the belly of their Swissair -30 example. And Sovereign failed to paint the WBF on the bare metal belly of their SAS -41.

With regard to research, I am a staunch supporter of it. The discourse of this thread goes to show that there will always be lessons to learn about aircraft. Although it is not research in the truest sense, I can still walk away knowing a little more about the topic matter. An what of the manufacturers?

Well, for these highly detailed model toys, research is paramount. As enthusiasts themselves, I would assume that manufacturers are keen on learning about every nook and cranny of the aircraft they are going to release. Photos are ok, but why quit there? Reading books, contacting aircraft manufacturers and visiting desert storage sights should be part of the fun in their endeavour to create the best detailed mould for the technology of the time. And for the technology in 2001, I still admire Aeroclassics' efforts with their DC-9-10s. Love those little aircraft and have 18 in my collection.

Enough said for now. On to another thread.

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Four North Central DC-9 postcards. All are probably from the late 1960s. The two on top are non airline issued. The two on the bottom are airport postcards. Bottom left is at Green Bay, WI. Bottom Right is at Pellston, MI.