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Nice release!

aklein707

I think the only interested parties will be Boeing's legal Dept.!
I, as a collector, have absolutely no interested in this junk!
PASS!

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And I'm guessing you will see to that, isn't that right

goldy

Has Blew Bucks settled on the brand "Magic"? I like the livery but I have not hear of this airline.

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Hawaiian

This cargo airliner comes to ORD a couple times a year flying for Lufthansa Cargo. I believe they started service around two years ago and have only a few aircraft- the 200 and 300F.

The 747-200 looks wierd in the photo but the 300 is interesting.

Carlos Perea

Focus Air flies a fleet of 3 742s and 1 743 on ACMI leases to Cargolux, China Eastern, APW, and Lufthansa Cargo. Their HQ is right here in FLL. Because of the nature of their operations, one of their 747s would be a good fit on nearly any diorama.

Andrew, if AeroClassics is releasing their own version of this model, then I'll gladly wait. Until then, this is the best we can get.

gospodin

The -300 looks like a combi. Dumb name for an airline. "What airline is we flyin?" "Focus" "We sure is gonna get foked payin fo dese tickets!"

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Andy

Well instead of doing more countless cheap-to-produce variations on El Al/Lufthansa/Sabena/Aer Lingus et al, how about Aeroclassics doing something like Focus Air then? Whilst the mould may suck, at least they're trying to do something original and different from the same-old-same-old!

Andy

Carlos Perea

Licensing is normally the big issue in these types of cases. Andrew's very big on the legitimacy of his models, and very proud of it (as he should be).

Unfortunately, some of the other models that we really want can only be produced through illegal means.

Andy

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Ill second that. Original thinking in a new release instead copying others already done, or variations and hybrid liveries.
Anyway time for me to get back under my rock again

Jet-X

In other words, pirating.

You can't accuse others of pirating if you too are just as guilty...

ba777-236

You mean like this months Polynesian Andy?



Or is it only unique/nice if someone besides AC does it?

I will admit that some of those TEA 737's were a bit too much, but this months lineup is the best I've seen in sometime. Variety for just about everybody. Comets, 767's, 747's.

And this next lineup will see MORE great stuff, which you will probably call boring.

N1011

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Now that Poly is a great release and the only reason it was done was due to the Canadian rego prefix, but a welcome change!

LOT 737-300

If that is the case, then herpa's IP department will also be highly interested in this model as "Magic" is the brand name for their 1:600 scale releases.

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goldy

If I remember correctly a common word cannot be trademarked or branded. This from an IP attorney that I doing business as Aero-Pacific Trading Co. have on retainer.

"(Norm) The key is that you have a legitimate business basis for using a mark. It can be the same as a mark used and/or registered by someone else, especially if the mark is a known word. If the mark was created for the first time by the company that registered the mark, it would be difficult to show that the next person was trying to benefit from the good will of the original user. Thus NIKE, for example, can be used for a number of goods and services but not for shoes and athletic wear. So if you are using the mark Nike for a family of that name under the direction of a member of that family, then you have a legitimate use.

Likewise, Gucci, another example, can be used for a different purpose than clothes and designer stuff. If the Gucci family did not direct you to do something, it might be a stretch to suggest that you have a good faith use of the name. This is especially true for a famous mark. A famous mark will extend over normal boundaries of goods and services unless the mark is a common English word, like NIKE."

Substitute "Blue Box" for Nike or Gucci. Substitute "Magic" for Nike or Gucci. Seems to me that Blue Box and Magic are being properly used as long as those names are not either trademarked, in the case of "Magic" or being used in like businesses, in the case of Blue Box.

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aklein707

Why you continue to offer irrellevant off the wall excuses for the criminal behaviour of those pirates is beyond me!

If "Herpa" uses the name "Magic" for one of their line's of miniature diecast model aircraft, then they own the common law claim to it!! When your BluNutz buddies come along to use the same name, you know very well they do so with the absolute intent of deceit; the deceit of Boeing who has licensed the real "magic", so their legal dept. will be off in circles trying to figure this out, and the deceit of collectors, who come to expect a certain level of quality from Herpa, which BluNutz will never match!!

You may want to consult another IP attorney, as this one is giving you bad advice!

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Unicorn

Where the hell did you get that idea?

Try his Qantas models, none of which were licenced. Same with his TAA and TEAL Electras.

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This seems like this is Herpa's problem now yours.........

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Carlos Perea

Well, from the way he goes on about BlueBox and Magic models... I hereby retract my comment.

goldy

The misdirection and deceit is another issue, AK. But the right to use the name, as long as the product is not the same, is not an issue. I suspect that Disney might have an issue with Herpa for their use of the word "magic" as the Magic Kingdom was coined long before the lads at Herpa were ever in business. Any company can use any name they wish as long as the likeness of the two business are not the same so as not to deceive the consumer. In the case of Magic Herpa and Magic Chinese knockoff company the simularity seems to be the same as both are airplane models.

Delta Airlines Delta Faucetts. United Airlines United Way. Further the same issue between Big Bird and Big Bird should be even clearer. Does John Deere and their Green Box Toy line have an issue with Green Box airplane models if your logic is that Blue Box Toys, who does not make model airplanes has been infringed on by Blue Box airplane models, who does not make toys?

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diecast1964

What is wrong with Sabena [and all the others you mention]? Glad to see these show up, also in hybrid liveries. So no complaints here!
Btw, not so sure these are cheap to produce...

Jan

Hapag-Lloyd

Never mind the licensing, this release is pure crap released on a mould that is pitiful at best. I can see no reason why any collector would want to defend it, with the possible exception of somebody so desperate for this airline being released that he´d just about buy anything "Focus Air", no matter how crappy. My used toilet paper holds more value than this model.

goldy

It is obscure, no doubt. Off brand airlines are tough to sell which is why I wonder why they choose this subject. There are so many other more mainstream airliners to make. I thought that the TNT 747 from Net models was a good idea. A major player in the airline world, an attractive livery, and a popular airframe. Too bad the likes of GJ and AC had not thought of it. I did order the DW version, however.

Happy, did you see my question to you on another thread regarding trains?

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Hapag-Lloyd

No, I haven´t - sorry about that. Could you repeat it here, or tell me which thread it was?

D-AIHC

Pics of Focus Air livery I see on A.net show that the livery is actually blue, not purple. Perhaps they need to "FOCUS" when looking at the colour chart!

goldy

I wondered your opinion of the BAchmann and Trix brand trains.

Norm

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LOT 737-300

That is what I mean. They both offer a similar product, though they are different scales they are using a brand name that is the same. For Example, I'm sure if I started a car company and named one of my cars Explorer and another Mariner, I'd have the Ford Motor Company breathing fire down my back. Of course, I'm not too knowledgeable in IP law.

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goldy

True. I suspect that is what Andrew is saying as well. For one company to refer to themselves as Big Bird and for another company to do likewise is a give, yet in that example neither has licensed their trademark or brand, as far as I know, so that might not he a good example.

In the case of Herp Magic I suspect that Herpa did license their brand and for Magic to use it, if they are using it to compete with Herpa then Magic is in the wrong.

Blue Box is different. Lots of companies call themselves Blue Box. Blue Box Toys does not make model airplanes. I see no conflict of interest between Blue Box Toys and Blue Box, those who make model airplanes. What if Blue Box began calling themselves Aero-Jets...or Gemini Classics, or Phoenix Jets? Conflict, confusing? Sky Jets...Gemini Jets, this did not seem to bother anyone.

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aklein707

Blue Box Toys DOES make model airplanes; larger scale, good detail & quality, AND licensed by Boeing!

When I first reported BluNutz, I was told they were licensed, until I revealed to Boeing their deceit, and they weren't too pleased that they had been duped!

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Wow. I had visited their website and did not see the model planes. I will agree with you, AK, it would seem that Blue Box has utilized the concept of knockoff to its full extent. I do recall that your friend and mine, GR, had told me that she would love to get her hands on the BBX clan. I wonder why the Boeing crew stopped at Phoenix? Anyway, it's an odd duck livery. I am going to be hard pressed to refrain from buying the MNG A300 should they make one, however. Does Dragon have an A300 mould? Hmmmmmm. There is hope yet for that Danzas A-300 to go with my 747s.

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DavidMich

I bet Qantas and Cathay Pacific weren't too thrilled when they got wind of your license-skirting either.

Stop lambasting others for what you do as well!

L-1011-Heavy

Well Let's See...Copying Others Already Done...Hmmm. I'm Looking at Some Of My Fairly Recent Purchases.
Olympic Comet & Soon To Be Had BEA & Dan Air London Comets. Swissair & Balair Convair 880/990s, Zas Airline Of Egypt DC-9, Eastern Hockey Strech DC-8s & 720, Not To Mention the Older Releases Like The L-188, 1049 & 721s. Then I Can Go On About My Nordair & Quebecair FLEETS Done Excusively By Aeroclassics.
Tell Me That's Not RADICALLY Different, Both Mould Wise & Livery Wise.
I Can Name Off A Hundred More Your Magical Blue Box Ideas That Aeroclassics "Copied" Should I Go On?
Your Statement That Aeroclassics Copies Others Is Ludicrious, The Fact That It's In Your Sig Makes You Even More Ludicrious & I Doubt Anyone Takes You Seriously With That Kind Of Credibility.

I Don't Think Focus Air Would Fit In To The Aeroclassics Line Of Livery Choices. You Actually Don't Want This Do You?
How About That Fabulous Hawaiian DC-9-50? Isn't That Better?
And Is Sabena & Aer Lingus Same Old Same Old? Really?...Tail Seams Don't Count.

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Hapag-Lloyd

Trix is essentially Märklin´s HO brand for two rail DC operation. Imho, many are not too detailed, but very robust. They usually feature enourmous pulling power. They had a nice Länderbahn (->1918) range back in the 1980s and 90s, though. Should you encounter an EP 3/6 electric engine in Roayl Bavarian livery, please do not hesitate to contact me asap.

Botchmann Germany is the old Liliput range of products. After Liliput went belly-up, Bachmann purchased the thing and is now producing these engines in China. Their quality ranges from POS to nice job, but even when talking about a specific model you have to test it, as their quality control appears non-existant.

What engines exactly are you talking about? Maybe I can get hold of some reviews. Btw, the Bachmann-Liliput military stuff is mostly pure fantasy.

Hapag-Lloyd

Maybe, but knowing the 1/87 "Magic" products, I have a different suspicion.

The lack of quality in "Herpa Magic" HO scale cars and trucks (their quality in no way lives up to Herpa´s reputation) and the fact that these POS models are made in China makes me wonder whether "Magic" is originally some Chinese brand, to whose cars and trucks Herpa has exclusive marketing rights in Europe, but who also make planes under their "brand" name, which they then sell on other markets.

Diecast planes is merely a side business for Herpa; their main product line would be cars and trucks for model railroaders. I can´t imagine that they would jeopardize their car sales by pirating planes under a fake name. EU laws concerning trade mark and license infringements are rather harsh, and Germany isn´t China - any American company can go to court and have their lawsuit admitted (unlike in China).

It´d be high risk for low yields.

aklein707

Another tosser!

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There you go! Have ya got the guts to ban him JB or you going to let this one go as well

Hapag-Lloyd

This is getting soooo old and sooooooooo predictable...

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goldy

Not to put words into AK's mouth but I suspect that he sensed a "shill". That based on the number of posts that you have accumulated to date. Remaining both unbiased and neutural...welcome, by the way. DAC is one heck of a good forum. Check out the second to none database too

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Hapag-Lloyd

So can you.

btw, why should I?

Andy

Nope, Polynesian is interesting - I've never criticised it.

Depends what it is - if I think its boring, I may indeed say so. Look back a year or two to when I was the first to post GJ releases one particularly month, and I said that they were the most boring set of GJ releases EVER. Call a spade a spade. I seem to recall Chris Kilroy wasn't too happy though!

Focus Air, Polynesian... Neither are mainstream.

Yes, it'd be a nice release if it were done on a good mould - which is the ONLY reason I won't buy the Magic releases. Focus Air, Polynesian... Neither fit or don't fit into Aeroclassic's "line of choices" more than the other. There is a lot more to the airline industry than a limited set of airlines that are re-hashed over and over again, or released with a multitude of minute livery variations.

L-1011-Heavy

I'll Disagree With You. First There Are More Than A Limited Number Of Airlines
Made. Yes At Times There Seems To Be One After Another British Airways, But What About The Fleet Collector?
Yes There Are Multiples With Variations, But Not As Many As You Think. My Collection Is Varied As It Vast.
Let's Name A Few Out Of The Ordinary.
REAL (Pronounced Ree-All) 1049.
Eastern Provincial Airways 737 1967 Livery
EPA 1987 Billboard
Can Jet 737
Royal 737
Monarch 720B
Jat Yugoslacv 727-200
Tarom TU-154
Egypt Air TU-154
CSA OK Jet TU-154
Zas Airline Of Egypt DC-9-32
Lot TU-154 (I Don't Have That One)
Lot 767-300
Who Else Has Done A Long Awaited Alitalia 767?
Uzbekistan IL-76
Uzbekistan 767
Iraqi IL-76
Aeroflot A-50
Aeroflot TU-154
Transair 737
Air Tanzania F-27
Air Tanzania 707
Air Tanzania 737
Sudan 707
Nordair DC-8-61CF
Nordair L-188
Nordair L-188 Ice Patrol
Nordair 1049
Nordair 737
NORDAIR CV-990
Nordair DC-3
Aer Lingus BAC-111 Belfast Shoebox Livery (Green Top)
Aer Lingus B-707 Belfast Shoebox Livery (Green Top)
Aer Lingus B-767-300 Belfast Shoebox Livery (Green Top)
How About Aer Lingus 1960s? 707, 1049s & The Recent 747? Nobody Else Did Those!
SAS Caravelle 1960s
SAS 1980s Rainbow
Saudia Old Colors 747
Baikal TU-154
Alaska Golden Nugget CV-990
Alaska Golden Nugget 721
Alaska Golden Eagle 1049
(Actually Alaska Has A Vast Variety Of Liveries, At Least 10 Not Including The Disneys. Talk About Varied)
How About All Those Nice Eastern Hockey Sticks?
1049, L-188, 721, DC-8-61PF &63, 720A
Olympic Comet
Dan Air London Comet
BEA Comet
ANA Mohicans F-27
ANA Mohicans 727-200
ANA Mohicans 747 (OK Made Twice Because The First 2 Had Errors)
Varig L-188 (OC)
Varig 1049 (OC)
Varig 737 (OC)
Varig 747 (OC)
British Airways Super VC-10
BOAC Super VC-10
BOAC 707 White Speedbird
Quebecair BAC-111 (Blue)
Quebecair 737 (Blue) (I Have 2 Silver Belly & White Belly)
Quebecair DC-8-63 "Saul Bass" Style 3 Color Cheatline
(Know any OTHER Manufacturer That Makes A DC-8-63?)
Quebecair "Saul Bass" Style 2 Color Cheatline Fiesta Scheme
Quebecair F-27 Teal
Quebecair DC-3 Teal
Quebecair 727-100 White
Quebecair 707-120 White
Finnair DC-9-10
Finnair DC-8-62
Pan Am DC-8-62
(Anyone Else Make DC-8-62s?)

Just To Name A Few Odd Ones Not Including Other Manufacturers.
Tell Me These Are Re-Hashed?
Yes Some 747s Have Been Done But That's Because We've Asked For Them To Replace Our Gemini's But I Can't For The Life Of Umderstand Why You Can't Find Variety In A Hobby That's Ballooned From A Limited Number Of Models Released By Only 2 MINISCULE MAKERS (DW & Gemini) To What It Is Today Which Is An Astonishing Number Of Manufacturers, Brands Releases. I Don't Know About You, But I Can't Keep Up.
What Would You Do If We Were Back In 1997 When Ony Gemini & Dragon Released Models? You'd Be Glad To Have The Re-Hash & Multitudes Of Miniscule Variations Because The Sheer Numbers Are Astounding By Comparison. I'm Not Sure Anyone Can Keep Up With It.
There's No Reson Both The Fleet Collector & The One Off Collector Can't Be Satisfied.

As For The Polynesain, That Doesn't Fit Into Aeroclassics Either, But I Have A Feeling It Was Made For A Certain Collector Who Happens To Be Polynesian/Canadian, Canadian Reg Not Withstanding. I Doubt Focus Air Will Be Done By Aeroclassics, But Phoenix Is Your Answer Once They Iron Out Thier Licencing Agreements With Boeing.
It's Possible DW Will Pick This Up As Well. Both These Moulds Are At Least Better Than Magic.

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