Another big mistake from BB again?

kl729 · 12-25-2006, 02:01 AM

I got the new release of Cathay Pacific B747-200 from Big Bird. All windows have no frame at all. You can't even notice under the light. For those who have got one of these please confirm with me if you have the same one. Photo is attached.

Steven De Lisser · 12-25-2006, 09:56 AM

The artwork for the Cathay icon near the nose is poorly replicated. Also, I have noticed lately the corogard is too dark on BigBird, Aeroclassic and Inflight500 models. It’s really unfortunate because these companies have some good releases and it’s such a simple thing to correct.

Steven De Lisser

FANNY-PAX · 12-25-2006, 11:07 AM

I'll wait for the real BB

and yes, the dark coroguard sux dix, I purchased the ward-air 707, and can't display it with my other wonderful aeroclassics 707s, just doesn't fit. what a shame

ELY707 · 12-25-2006, 11:11 AM

That coroguard issue has made me backoff buying many releases from BB and AC. It's a loss for the manufacturer and a loss for me as a collector. It's a no win situation that has been with us since the summer. I don't understand why it is so hard for the Chinese to remove the black color and redo it correctly.

JB · 12-25-2006, 12:39 PM

The old BigBird v1 and v2 weren't great since with all their idiotic errors what makes you think now would be any better?d

psalover · 12-25-2006, 04:31 PM

This just shows that not one of these manufacturer's are perfect. Yes, at times they make great models, but they are not perfect. Just buy what you like, and enjoy the hobby.

N. Eberhard · 12-25-2006, 05:43 PM

Not too mention that those windows are way too dark. I have never seen any a/c in real life that had almost black windows.

KRASAIRIL62 · 12-25-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by psalover

This just shows that not one of these manufacturer's are perfect. Yes, at times they make great models, but they are not perfect. Just buy what you like, and enjoy the hobby.

Same thoughts!

L-1011-Heavy · 12-25-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FANNY-PAX

I'll wait for the real BB

and yes, the dark coroguard sux dix, I purchased the ward-air 707, and can't display it with my other wonderful aeroclassics 707s, just doesn't fit. what a shame

This Is The Real Big Bird.

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

Not too mention that those windows are way too dark. I have never seen any a/c in real life that had almost black windows.

Actually I Prefer Black or Dark Windows.
But For Me The Most Serious Issue On This One Is The Fact The Moustache & Tail Green Are Much Too Light. At 45 Bukks Canadian, I Think I'm Gonna Wait Until It's 70% Off Before I Buy One. Any More Than That, I'm Getting Ripped Off.

It's OBVIOUS The Factory Owners Don't Care If Things Like Color, Corrogaurd, Wrong Fonts Are Off Or Not, Regardles If It's The Real Big Bird Or Blue Box.
Or Copies Thereof. I Think In The Year Coming My Purchases Will Be Cut In Half. I Suggest All Collectors Do The Same Until The Manufactorers Wake Up & Realize We Are Not Chumps That Will Just Accept Whatever Kind Of Crap They Dump Out At Us, Particularly Seeing That Prices Just Went Up Recently.

waiping · 12-25-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

This Is The Real Big Bird.
... At 45 Bukks Canadian, I Think I'm Gonna Wait Until It's 70% Off Before I Buy One. Any More Than That, I'm Getting Ripped Off...

I am not so sure that it will drop to 70%. At only 260 pcs release these would probably being snapped up within the next few weeks. The most release, the silver bullet, is sold out in almost all places that I have looked.

kl729 · 12-25-2006, 07:48 PM

This is the real Big Bird that I bought for big $$$ together with the Siliver Bullet cargo one. I love the Silver Bullet polish version from BB though.

L-1011-Heavy · 12-25-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by waiping

I am not so sure that it will drop to 70%. At only 260 pcs release these would probably being snapped up within the next few weeks. The most release, the silver bullet, is sold out in almost all places that I have looked.

If There's Any Left At My Hobby Store (I Saw 12 Boxes Of Them) By Cap Day, They Will Go For 50% Off First, Then Near Closing Time Whatever Is Left Goes For 70% Off Regardless Of Brand.
CX Is Not Quite That Popular Here, So They Still Have Tons Left.

SANNY-LAX · 12-25-2006, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

If There's Any Left At My Hobby Store (I Saw 12 Boxes Of Them) By Cap Day, They Will Go For 50% Off First, Then Near Closing Time Whatever Is Left Goes For 70% Off Regardless Of Brand.
CX Is Not Quite That Popular Here, So They Still Have Tons Left.

You mean your store still have plenty of the new BB CX's ? what's the name of your hobby store?

Don Clipper Spirit · 12-25-2006, 11:53 PM

Guess they did noticed it, and are now laughing their balls out of their trousers counting the money they grabbed.

Alaska Fan · 12-26-2006, 04:16 AM

whic h big bird is this?

Sven Nikolaus · 12-26-2006, 05:07 AM

At the moment I am pretty fed up with (old/real) BigBird: I bought all the Lufthansa Cargo 747-200 and they all came with white wings

When I first heard of the mistake

on another forum it was too late they had been already shipped.

psalover · 12-26-2006, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alaska Fan

whic h big bird is this?

This is the "real" BirBird made on Aeroclassics moulds.

This is why I say people shouldn't knock Blue Box, because they are all the same when it comes to manufacturing. Nothing is perfect, and you have to relax, and not be so picky. I think the collectors on here have been spoiled with a couple of really nice releases, but that not the norm. We have had a string of decent product. This is a reality check to show that they are all the same, no matter who is in charge of the manufacturing.

So instead of tearing in apart, just sit back, and enjoy these little TOY planes, and don't worry about the little mistakes. They are going to happen.

goldy · 12-26-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

Not too mention that those windows are way too dark. I have never seen any a/c in real life that had almost black windows.

My beemer has windows like this, Nick. I think the Soul Plane 747 had tinted glass as well.

Peewee

goldy · 12-26-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

If There's Any Left At My Hobby Store (I Saw 12 Boxes Of Them) By Cap Day, They Will Go For 50% Off First, Then Near Closing Time Whatever Is Left Goes For 70% Off Regardless Of Brand.
CX Is Not Quite That Popular Here, So They Still Have Tons Left.

I have noticed that CX, while a popular subject matter, seems only popular by locality. It is not a universally popular livery. I think that because everytime I order CX I order extra thinking that it will sell well. Not so. I think I still have an inventory of CX that were released from a year ago. Lufthansa, CX, BA, the three that seems most over done are also the most challenging for me to sell. But here is what is interesting. While I still have a few BB Lufthansa left in stock from last year, and not moving, I had a number of the Lufthansa GSE sets that sold out for more per unit than the planes did!

I would guess that a UK retailer is going to sell more BA than he is CX. A Hong Kong retailer is going to sell more CX than he is Alaska Air. I am going to sell more Alaska, United, NW, Delta, Continental, than I am BA or CX. I have sold more units of the Pan Am Concorde fantasy model than I have the recent CX.

Peewee

L-1011-Heavy · 12-26-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by psalover

This is the "real" BirBird made on Aeroclassics moulds.
This is why I say people shouldn't knock Blue Box, because they are all the same when it comes to manufacturing. Nothing is perfect, and you have to relax, and not be so picky. I think the collectors on here have been spoiled with a couple of really nice releases, but that not the norm. We have had a string of decent product. This is a reality check to show that they are all the same, no matter who is in charge of the manufacturing.
So instead of tearing in apart, just sit back, and enjoy these little TOY planes, and don't worry about the little mistakes. They are going to happen.

I'm Gonna Disagree With You. In Any Manufacturing, There Should Be Consistency. Particularly If The Manufacturer Claims A High Degree Of Reality.
But The Problem Is Not With Gemini, Aeroclassics Or Dragon Wings. I Actually Believe Those Guys Try Their Darndest To Git 'R" Done.
Black Corrogaurd One Color Red Fits All, Poor Fonts, Colors Off, etc Are
Simple Cost Cutting Measures For The Factory Owners, Of Which Said Companies May Not Have Total Control.

Next, Look How 100% ACCURATE The Fuselage & Cockpit Is On The New Gemini BAE-146. Well Done In Other Areas, Too. But They Fukked Big Time On The Anhedral, An Error That Could Have Been EASILY Corrected Had They Taken Just A LITTLE More Effort In Planning/Research, BTW Of Which Little Or No Research Need Be Done. That Anhedral Is So Frikkin' Obvious, It Sticks Out Like A Sore Thumb.
They Take It So Far, Accurately Depicting The Most Diifficult Parts Of the Model, Then Screw Up On The Easiest.

Next We Have Certain Moulds With VERY THIN Realistic Wings, Stabs & Fins, Such As On The Aeoroclssics 707 (See Gemini For Comparison) & The New DC-9.
Now It Doesn't Take a Genius To Realize Injection Moulding Was Used To Make them. Why Can't ALL New Moulds Have Injection Moulding?
The New VC-10s Don't, Aeroclassics Or Gemini's. Nor Does The New Trident. The BEA 146 Wings Are Awful Thick, Too.

These Are Things That SERIOUSLY Detract From The Model, & Let's Face It, The Manufacturers PROVED It Can Be Done, Regardless How Some With Atiquated "Can't Be Done In This Scale" Thinking Believe. It Can Be Done & It Has Been Done.

And I Think The Factory Poeple At BBX Haven't A Clue. Not that They Aren't Trying AFTER We Point Out Flaws, But Once Committed, They Are Not Willing To Correct Seriuos Issues Either.

L-1011-Heavy · 12-26-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by goldy

I have noticed that CX, while a popular subject matter, seems only popular by locality. It is not a universally popular livery. I think that because everytime I order CX I order extra thinking that it will sell well. Not so. I think I still have an inventory of CX that were released from a year ago. Lufthansa, CX, BA, the three that seems most over done are also the most challenging for me to sell. But here is what is interesting. While I still have a few BB Lufthansa left in stock from last year, and not moving, I had a number of the Lufthansa GSE sets that sold out for more per unit than the planes did!
I would guess that a UK retailer is going to sell more BA than he is CX. A Hong Kong retailer is going to sell more CX than he is Alaska Air. I am going to sell more Alaska, United, NW, Delta, Continental, than I am BA or CX. I have sold more units of the Pan Am Concorde fantasy model than I have the recent CX.
Peewee

CX 744s Are Actually Relatively Popular Here, But Not A Priority. Seeing The 742 Never Flew To YYZ In The New Colors, I Can't See Too Many Being Sold. The Majority Of Collectors Here Buy What They See Or Service At The Airport.
But You're Right, These Would Be An Instant Sellout In Most Asian Destinations.

psalover · 12-26-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

I'm Gonna Disagree With You. In Any Manufacturing, There Should Be Consistency. Particularly If The Manufacturer Claims A High Degree Of Reality.
But The Problem Is Not With Gemini, Aeroclassics Or Dragon Wings. I Actually Believe Those Guys Try Their Darndest To Git 'R" Done.
Black Corrogaurd One Color Red Fits All, Poor Fonts, Colors Off, etc Are
Simple Cost Cutting Measures For The Factory Owners, Of Which Said Companies May Not Have Total Control.

Next, Look How 100% ACCURATE The Fuselage & Cockpit Is On The New Gemini BAE-146. Well Done In Other Areas, Too. But They Fukked Big Time On The Anhedral, An Error That Could Have Been EASILY Corrected Had They Taken Just A LITTLE More Effort In Planning/Research, BTW Of Which Little Or No Research Need Be Done. That Anhedral Is So Frikkin' Obvious, It Sticks Out Like A Sore Thumb.
They Take It So Far, Accurately Depicting The Most Diifficult Parts Of the Model, Then Screw Up On The Easiest.

Next We Have Certain Moulds With VERY THIN Realistic Wings, Stabs & Fins, Such As On The Aeoroclssics 707 (See Gemini For Comparison) & The New DC-9.
Now It Doesn't Take a Genius To Realize Injection Moulding Was Used To Make them. Why Can't ALL New Moulds Have Injection Moulding?
The New VC-10s Don't, Aeroclassics Or Gemini's. Nor Does The New Trident. The BEA 146 Wings Are Awful Thick, Too.

These Are Things That SERIOUSLY Detract From The Model, & Let's Face It, The Manufacturers PROVED It Can Be Done, Regardless How Some With Atiquated "Can't Be Done In This Scale" Thinking Believe. It Can Be Done & It Has Been Done.

And I Think The Factory Poeple At BBX Haven't A Clue. Not that They Aren't Trying AFTER We Point Out Flaws, But Once Committed, They Are Not Willing To Correct Seriuos Issues Either.

Injection moulding is how they are all made. The manufacturer makes a special injection die that fits into a special injection mould mechine. They take bars of Zink and heat it up in the vat that is part on the injection mechine until they melt. This multin zink is then injected into the die that then creats the part that the die is in the shape of. Every one of these Zink planes are made this way. So Im sorry to disagree with you, but your wrong when you say that the new VC-10 is not injection moulded.I worked for the company that made the gaurd, and the ratchet for Daisey BB guns.

Also, you prove my point when you say that the BAe-146 from Gemini is near perfect, but the Anhedral is incorrect. It just shows that no matter how perfect, they are not perfect. Sure Andrew Klein can brag that his planes are of the highest quality, and some on the best out there, but the too are not perfect. They are pretty damn good, but not perfect. It just depends on how picky one is to not buy them.Back to the Gemini BAe-146. That plane at best is 3 inches long, and some make think thats huge,

Its really just a tiny little toy, and nitpiking the Anhedral on it In my opinion, is excessive.

In my opinion, I think that there are some that will never be satisfied. Maybe its just a way for them to make an excuse not to spend money they don't have, but the majority will enjoy this release, and anybody who dosen't buy a releases because someone else complains about something minor, is only hurting themselves. Try something new. Try not being so picky, and like I have said so many times before. JUST ENJOY THE HOBBY!!!!

L-1011-Heavy · 12-26-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by psalover

Injection moulding is how they are all made. The manufacturer makes a special injection die that fits into a special injection mould mechine. They take bars of Zink and heat it up in the vat that is part on the injection mechine until they melt. This multin zink is then injected into the die that then creats the part that the die is in the shape of. Every one of these Zink planes

12-25-2006, 02:01 AM	#1
kl729 Insane Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Melbourne VIC Australia Posts: 1,190	Another big mistake from BB again? I got the new release of Cathay Pacific B747-200 from Big Bird. All windows have no frame at all. You can't even notice under the light. For those who have got one of these please confirm with me if you have the same one. Photo is attached. Last edited by kl729; 09-01-2007 at 10:40 PM.

12-25-2006, 11:11 AM	#4
ELY707 insane collector Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 363	That coroguard issue has made me backoff buying many releases from BB and AC. It's a loss for the manufacturer and a loss for me as a collector. It's a no win situation that has been with us since the summer. I don't understand why it is so hard for the Chinese to remove the black color and redo it correctly. __________________ Approaching my 1000th model and loving every minute of it!

12-25-2006, 12:39 PM	#5
JB Got Koalas? Join Date: Jan 1999 Age: 22 Posts: 5,165	The old BigBird v1 and v2 weren't great since with all their idiotic errors what makes you think now would be any better?d __________________ I'm a little tired, a little wired and I think I deserve a little appreciation!

12-25-2006, 04:31 PM	#6
psalover Retro Junkie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gateway to the west & always home of TWA Age: 37 Posts: 2,861	This just shows that not one of these manufacturer's are perfect. Yes, at times they make great models, but they are not perfect. Just buy what you like, and enjoy the hobby. __________________ 80's retro junkie! Dream List From Aeroclassics: Continental DC-10 (Black Meatball) Western Airlines DC-10 (white Livery) United Airlines DC-10 (Soul Bass) Aspen Airways CV580 (All Colors)

12-25-2006, 11:53 PM	#14
Don Clipper Spirit Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: At the airport of Amsterdam Posts: 1,132	Guess they did noticed it, and are now laughing their balls out of their trousers counting the money they grabbed. __________________ Pan American World Airways - the world's most experienced airline

12-25-2006, 09:56 AM	#2
Steven De Lisser Master Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 771	The artwork for the Cathay icon near the nose is poorly replicated. Also, I have noticed lately the corogard is too dark on BigBird, Aeroclassic and Inflight500 models. It’s really unfortunate because these companies have some good releases and it’s such a simple thing to correct. Steven De Lisser

12-25-2006, 11:07 AM	#3
FANNY-PAX plastix sux dix Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 142	I'll wait for the real BB and yes, the dark coroguard sux dix, I purchased the ward-air 707, and can't display it with my other wonderful aeroclassics 707s, just doesn't fit. what a shame

12-25-2006, 05:43 PM	#7
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,330	Not too mention that those windows are way too dark. I have never seen any a/c in real life that had almost black windows.

12-25-2006, 07:48 PM	#11
kl729 Insane Collector Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Melbourne VIC Australia Posts: 1,190	This is the real Big Bird that I bought for big $$$ together with the Siliver Bullet cargo one. I love the Silver Bullet polish version from BB though.

12-26-2006, 04:16 AM	#15
Alaska Fan Senior Collector Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 350	whic h big bird is this?

12-26-2006, 05:07 AM	#16
Sven Nikolaus Senior Collector Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 46 Posts: 395	At the moment I am pretty fed up with (old/real) BigBird: I bought all the Lufthansa Cargo 747-200 and they all came with white wings When I first heard of the mistake on another forum it was too late they had been already shipped.