L-1011-Heavy

Well The Funny Thing Is, I Own Tristars From ALL Those Brands. Not That I'm Entirely Happy. I Have 4 Blue Box ANA Tristars (See That PSA Lover, I Got The Blue Box Blues) But After The Major Disappointment With The British Landors (The ANA Are A Bit Better) The Air Canada & Others, I Decided To Suffer Serious Withdrawal Symptoms Until A Better Product Will Be Made, Which Could Be As Long As 1 To 2 Years From Now (The Delay From 2 New Tristar Moulds Are a Result Of The Positive Acceptance Of The Blue Box Tristar. Blue Box might Have Destroyed Our Chance Of Getting Better Tristars, But Collectors Have decided The Blue Box Is The End All Be All)

The Most Common I Have are Gemini. OK The Seams Are Not Covered Up Like The Blue Box, But The way Blue Box Covered The seams Is So Bizarre, I'd Rather Have The Seam. So I Prefer Gemini. But Really That's Not a Very Good Mould, Either.

Herpa. Well Interstingly Enough, They Matched Dragon Wings With A Near Perfect S-Duct/Tail Section. This Proves It Can Be Done By Other Manufacturers If They Have The Will. But I'm Not Fond of Herpa's Nose & Cockpit, Plus the Air India Has The Fan Showing At The Front Of The # 2 Induction Scoop.

Dragon Wings. The Cream Of The Crop. Near Perfect Tail Section/S-Duct. Fuselage Is Excellent, Best Cockpit In This Scale, However, DW Cockpit Is Not That Accurate Either & The Nose On The 1-100-150-200-250 Is Too Short.
But They Got The Nose On The -500 Near Perfect. Just Needs a Little Work On The Cockpit.
They Also Are the ONLY Manufacturer To Have the Correct Wing Box Fairing & the Correct Wing Extension, as The -500 Has Longer Wing. I Got the United, The ONLY DW-500 I Have. Quality Wise It's The BEST In My Collection, But The Color Is A Bit Off.(What Else Is New) Seems You Can't Win Everywhere, But At Least Major Components Are Very Well Done.


This Was The Most Difficult Photoshop Job I Did Yet, But Here are The Differences:

1) S-Duct Filled In Correctly In Several Areas.
2) Nose Is Extended Correctly & Radome Has The Correct Shape
3) Wing Box Fairing Is Correctly Placed Just In Front Of The Wings
4) Cocpit Is Sized & Shaped Correctly
5) Tail Cone Is Shaped Correctly
6) Top Of the Rudder Should Have A Slight Angle. & Fin Should Be More Squared Off Than Rounded
7) I Was Not Able To Correct The Stance. Basically The Tristar Is Supposed To Sit Level.
8) Not Shown: The Wings Are Too Short, Basically You Cannot see That From This Angle, Either.

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Flughafen

L-1011-Heavy, thank you very much for your detail explanation. Your information is very useful to me.

I really want to get a Cathay Pacific L-1011, but maybe only DreamJets and BBX released it until now. I have never seen BBX's or DJ's Tristars in person, do you have any idea about two those?

This is a difficulty to me as I don't know when will CX L-1011 be released by DW, HW or some other manufacturers.

L-1011-Heavy

Well BBX Is Blue Box, Dreamjets Is The Gemini Mould. Get The Dreamjets...At Least The Cockpit Is Better & The Seams Are Not Filled Wierd.

I Seriously Doubt Dragon Wings Will Release Anything Cathay Pacific Again, And They Either Lost Thier Tristar Mould Or Retired It...
You Will Only See A CX Tristar On A Future Maker. I Don't Have Either The Dreamjets Or BBX. I'm Going To Wait.

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Flughafen

Perhaps HW is the next as they already released CX Tristar in 1:500

L-1011-Heavy, thank you again.

L-1011-Heavy

But I Think HE Only Has A -500 Mould. CX Had No -500s.

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Flughafen

HW got license from CX for producing -300s from -500s mould??? or you meant HW has only -500s in 1:400
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/...iew-13274.html

L-1011-Heavy

Yes That's What I Meant. Herpa Only Has Seies -500 Tristars In 1/400.
BTW There Are No Such Thing As -300 Tristars. VR-HHK Is Actually A -100.

I Noticed How High The Price Is Even For A Model With 6,000 Pieces! 51-70- Bucks? Whew!
Collectors Must LOVE CX Tristars!

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MS@SFO

Yeah lets wait and see what the final product looks like, I am hoping the manufacturer fixes the problem!!

psalover

There is a small cooperation between collectors. We all collect 1/400 scale toy airplanes. What differs between us, is that a majority of us do not care if an engine is slightly to big.There is nothing to disagreeing between members. what you need to do is just admit you lean towards Aeroclassics/ "real" big Bird models. You can continue to say you don't, but when you use words like "legitimate", and "Money grab", you show your true colors, so in the eyes of myself, and a couple of other collectors I have received PM's from, your view is distorted, and not "Fair and Balanced" You say that you have critisized Aeroclassics/ "real" BigBird models in the past, but I went through the last couple of new release post, and not one negative comment from you about these models,Amazing!!!

You said in this thread that you can live with a shark fin for a tail, but you can not live with an engine that is a mm to big, well, I hate to tell you this, but most of us can live with both, so let it go.

A challenge for DAC members. Look at the new releases of the new "Real" BigBird 747's, and lets see what is wrong with them. Lets make the forum FAIR AND BALANCED!!!

Now, let me get back to my sreaming 20 month old

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L-1011-Heavy

Your View Is Somewhat Distorted. If I WAS Heavily Leaning Towards Aeroclassics I Would Not Deny It. Why Would I? To Hide Something? That's ABSURD!
The Fact That I've Posted Issues On ALL Cockpits Since DAY One On ALL The Forums (Of Which Again, I've Been Chastised For)
Proves Otherwise. I've Commented Particularly On Gemini & Even Stated I Was A Gemini Hater On My Very First Post Here.
Sorry To Be The One To Burst Your Bubble But You're So Deep Into Conspiracy Theory That You've Become Paranoid Over Little Cockpits & Collectors Who Want Value For Money.
Any Manufacterer That WILLINGLY & REPEATEDLY Makes The Same Mistakes Over & Over Again, When They've Been Discussed Time & Again Is A Money Grab. That INCLUDES The TWOrange & My 707 Club Model, The VERY Disappointing Air India, The Black Corrogaurd & On & On.
Particularly If They Are SIMPLE Mistakes. And You CAN"T Tell Me If A Company uses Another Brand's Name It's Not A Money Grab? Come On, Who You Talking To, A Grade 1 Student? Fact Is Fact, Theory Is Theory. Get Your Facts Straight.
BTW The Latest REAL Big Bird I Commented On Was The Scandanavian 'KNUT Viking" Of Which I Pointed Out Had The Wrong Engines. They Are SUPPOSED To Be PWJT-9D-70, Not GE CF-50E2. PAS PAS PAS. Thank You Very Much.
So Much For Your Checking, Eh?
And How About The Cubana F-27 Posting, Eh? Or Was That A Figment Of My Imagination?
And Then There Was The Aeroclassics British Airways VC-10 Thread Where I Made A Whole List Of Whats Wrong, Again I Got SCHIT For It! (How Much Checking Did You Say You Did Again?)
You Know At Least I'm TRYING To Contribute To The Hobby. These "Underground" Companies Can At Least Get Feed Back From These Postings & You Know It's A TON Of Work To Do These In Photoshop. That Cockpit Was An Hour Of Hard Concentration, Something The Manufacturers Are Unable Or Unwilling To Do.
I Don't Do This Just To Get My Kicks (Well OK It's Fun To Kick With You!)
Id Do This In The Hopes It Will Be Better. That's MY Contribution. What's Yours?
And WTF Are You Guys PMing Each Other Over Pure Shcit? Nothing Better To Do? My PMs Look A Bit Different. Greet, Get In Touch. Buy Sell. No Daytime Drama Thank You Very Much!
Heavy Out!

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dylan

Rick, I have always taken you with a grain of salt. The insults I've thrown at you over the last year have been tongue-in-cheek usually, sort of like a couple of buddies drunk at a bar arguing whether the girl that just walked by is hot ot not. Your photoshop skills are great, your photography..even better. Your passion for 1/400 models is, well....not of this world. But the above statement is certified 100% retarded.

Rick, nobody is releasing an L-1011 right now exept BBX. They have released some great livery/airframe combos. Yes, on a mould that needs work, but at least they are stepping up to the plate.

You can bet your a$s$ that when Gemini's and Dragon start releasing them again, the collectors will respond. BBX will then have no choice but to either improve their mould, or lose all business. But how they have destroyed our chances at anything better......

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[quote=L-1011-Heavy;480984]BTW There Are No Such Thing As -300 Tristars.QUOTE]Well, technically, they are ALL -300's .....385's that is.

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L-1011-Heavy

Well I Don't even Know If That Deserves A Response.
Except...
You Guys Are Like A Buch Of Girlies, PM Ing Each Other, Discovering Not Existant Conspiracy Theories Or Agendas.
Destroyed? Perhaps, Perhaps Not. DEFINITELY Delayed INDEFINITELY, Until Such Time More Than 50 Collectors Who Buy ALL Tristars Are Interested.
When Will That Be? Who Knows, But There WERE 2 Moulds On The Roster. BOTH Have Been Chopped Because Of Blue Box. I Posted That Possibilty Last Year. One Of the Moulds Was THIS Close To Being Released.
I Can't Blame Any Manufacturer For Postponing Or Cancelling Indefinitely.
The Tristar Is Lovely, But No Where Near as Popular As a 747 Or even A 737 For That Matter.
You Guys Coudn't Wait, So We ALL Suffer The Consequences.
War Is Not The ONLY Time We Pay A Price For Our Right To Choose. Some Of Us Decided Not To Choose Wisely.

Patience Is A Virtue, And The Reward Can Be HUGE For That Patience.
For Now, I'm Tagging The Few Remaining DW Tristars & A Few Gemini's. I'd Rather Have The Seam Than Have It Filled In THAT Bizzare. Plus Where's The Damned Nose? Ran In To The Terminal?

Right Now I'm Cautiously Optimistic That At Least ONE Of The Indefinite Postponements Will Eventually Evolve Into Reality. But I'm Not Holding My Breath.

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waiping

I think to call Heavy lean slightly towards AC is a bit bias. But I would also like to add that we all have our own judgment of what is acceptable and what's not. Buy what you like, enjoy what you buy.

BBX is smart because L1011 subjects have been largely neglected by other manufacturer but highly sought after. But when someone releases something on a better mould, BBX would probably lost. I think the Braniff Fat Alcoa from BBX didn't really sell that well despite cheaper than the BigBird, and release just a fraction slower. DW has the best L1011 mould but whether they will be releasing any in the future is a big question. We could pretty much resign to the fact that the best mould is gone. What's left in the market are all secondary.

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L-1011-Heavy

And THANK YOU Waiping! It's Always Nice To Hear Other Viewpoints Such As Yours! Sometimes I Think I'm Wasting My Breath Or Beating The Dead Horse On The Issue Of "Leaning" Or Siding With A Particular Manufacturer. ANYONE Following My Posts Over The Years Knows This Is Not True.
I Only Posted A Few Examples Off The Top Of My Head In The Previous Post, But There's PLENTY More! Hell, I Even Did A Herpa Thingy With The TWA 727! AND The PBY!

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dylan

Girlies? Well I'll have you know I have 9 PM's in my box....dating back to March....everyone discussing a model purchase.


BTW, whats a "phack"?

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psalover

Oh, I must have missed those

Not to throw anything against Aeroclassics, but if these are all things that can be fixed, and the dont, would'nt they considered "Money Grab" because they continue to use these models, and refuse to fix it.

Money grab No.2 engine on the 727-200 that get used all the time.
Money grab Shark fin tail on the 747
Money Grag DC-6 the whole thing
Money Grab Electra "Wide body"

You can live with all of these, but you can't live with the "S" duct on an L1011? This is what I don't understand, you give Aeroclassics/"real" BigBird slack, and you refuse to give BBX/BB2 andy breaks. Thats what I am talking about. Maybe you do go after them for there problems, but in this thread, you stated "I can live with the shark fin tail" Thats what confuses me thats all. one hand you say you go after them, and the other hand you say you can live with them.

Do you think that if everybody here stopped buying BBX/BB2 that they would stop making these planes? I hope you don't think that, because we are not the only collectors out there. We are just the dummies that have nothing better to do then bit*h about a bunch of mantoys. Yes Im a dummy. And As I stated before some of your local legitimate hobby stores support them, so what next?

You do an exellent job on the pictures, you views are legitimate, You point out tings that are wrong with a plane, I think the window on this plane suck too. Keep up the good work of nailing ALL of the manufacturer's to the cross for making junk, and you and Silverbird can be the resident "nitpickers"(term of endearment not an attack). Like I told you, I would higher you in a minute for QC.I'd higher Silverbird as well.You guys know your sh*t.

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Continental DC-10 (Black Meatball)
Western Airlines DC-10 (white Livery)
United Airlines DC-10 (Soul Bass)
Aspen Airways CV580 (All Colors)

D-AIHC

L-1011, just to let you know that your photoshop editing effort on how the models "should be improved" is highly-appreciated!!! Thanks!

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silverbird707

[quote=dylan;481159]Yes, on a mould that needs work, but at least they are stepping up to the plate.
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They are not "stepping up to the plate" they jump in the market with a sub-par model producing Liveries that are desirable and/or rare like Pan Am,
CX and British airways.
They make simple mistakes on major details on every aspect of their models
This is the result of poor research, and an "it's good enough" attitude.

The only improvements these new model makers have made is to put their product in a more colorful box, the money should have been spent improving their moulds not wrapping them up in pretty boxes.
These companies are just oportunistic and don't relly care about producing a quality product, they see a subject lacking in our hobby (L-1011's) and
jump on it.

Money grab?
no just oportunistic I'd say.

Illigitimate? They have no liscence for these models, but it's not like that's a
big deal because MOST model makers are guilty of this at one time or another.

These model makers just need to improve their moulds and stop releasing
clearly inferior products. Maybe they read the Forums, maybe they don't,
but it probably won't change things as I don't think they really care about
making a good product, just one they can sell.

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