VC-10 cut lines

gospodin · 11-26-2006, 01:53 PM

Does anyone know why they have "cut here" in small blocks on the top of the fuselage of the GJ VC-10? It doesn't appear on photos of the real plane, or on any other models from DW or AC, only on a few GJ planes (this being one of them).

Dr Evil · 11-26-2006, 04:14 PM

It is a British thing, you see it on some carriers from their (former) colonies also. It indicates spots on the fuselage where you can cut thru without the risk you encounter some wires or things.

fazeman · 11-26-2006, 04:46 PM

Yeah, the "cut here" blocks were placed there after the old James Bond production company cut through the wrong area for an intense escape scene in Her Majesty's Secret Service. They decided to do it fleetwide. It's a British thing.

L-1011-Heavy · 11-26-2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

It is a British thing, you see it on some carriers from their (former) colonies also. It indicates spots on the fuselage where you can cut thru without the risk you encounter some wires or things.

Cripes Not Just Wires, But Structural Cross Sections! Cut Through That You Replace The Entire Cross Section/Plug!.
But Also I Think In The Event Of A Crash, It's Easier To Cut Through With Lighter Cutting Tools To Create An Emergency Escape Route.

gospodin · 11-26-2006, 05:24 PM

The emergency escape thing was what I was thinking, so that rescuers wouldn't encounter a crossmember, but all of the information was interesting. I didn't realize it was just on British planes, but not the modern ones, I've noticed. Thanks, guys.

fv24 · 11-26-2006, 07:23 PM

You'll still see the four red L's at the corners of the 'cut here' section on most planes in the British Airways fleet to this day. On the Airbuses, they're around windows in between the doors, while Boeings have them in the roof section of the fuselage.

gospodin · 11-26-2006, 07:44 PM

I only have three BA planes in my fleet...the Concorde, an ERJ-145 and the VC-10, so that's why I didn't see any others with the cut here marks. I have a BOAC VC-10 and the Comet, no cut marks on them.

waiping · 11-26-2006, 08:56 PM

I am not sure the cut-here area would be effective in a crash.

silverbird707 · 11-26-2006, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waiping

I am not sure the cut-here area would be effective in a crash.

Wow, with your knowledge maybe you should go and advise Boieng or Airbus
on saftey and aircraft construction.

L-1011-Heavy · 11-26-2006, 10:16 PM

I Think He Means When An Aircraft Is Ripped To Pieces Or Burned To Nothing. There Are Times The Cut Lines Do Mean Nothing As In The Eastern Flight 401 Or
Value Jet 592.
I think The Operative Word Here Is Crash Land Whereby The Fuselage Is Still Intact Which Of Course Is Where The Cut Lines Are Necessary.
So Waiping Is Not Quite Correct, But I Get The Jist Of What He's Saying.

waiping · 11-27-2006, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

I Think He Means When An Aircraft Is Ripped To Pieces Or Burned To Nothing. There Are Times The Cut Lines Do Mean Nothing As In The Eastern Flight 401 Or
Value Jet 592.
I think The Operative Word Here Is Crash Land Whereby The Fuselage Is Still Intact Which Of Course Is Where The Cut Lines Are Necessary.
So Waiping Is Not Quite Correct, But I Get The Jist Of What He's Saying.

Exactly. From what I have noticed it's either the plane is in 1 piece - which does not warrant cutting through the fuselage, or there is no more fuselage to cut!

No need to be harsh Silverbird. I know you and I do not always share the same opinion but I do respect your opinions such as the one about special scheme on airliners.

sammyk · 11-27-2006, 02:42 AM

Just because it might crash in one piece who is to say all areas are easily accessible? What if it breaks apart in two and one can't enter from the broken part of the fuselage or if someone is trapped somewhere?

waiping · 11-27-2006, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyk

Just because it might crash in one piece who is to say all areas are easily accessible? What if it breaks apart in two and one can't enter from the broken part of the fuselage or if someone is trapped somewhere?

Interesting point. Has anyone came across situation whereby rescuers have to cut through the fuselage to get to the trapped passengers on time?

N. Eberhard · 11-27-2006, 04:23 AM

I seriously doubt that the 'cut here' lines were used when the VC-10 was in service. But I could be wrong for the first time today.

fv24 · 11-27-2006, 08:33 AM

A quick search on Google found a bit more information about the 'Cut Here in Emergency' markings. They have been compulsory on all UK registered aircraft (and many Commonwealth countries too) at least since 1962, where the max weight is over 8,000 lbs.

A Civil Aviation Authority (the UK's equivalent of the US FAA) specification from 1962, tells us that:

"The position of the points should be such that in the event of a crash in which the final attitude of the aeroplane renders the normal and emergency exits useless for the rapid evacuation of trapped occupants, there will be for each passenger compartment at least one point in a position convenient for use."

and:

"The positioning and size of break-in points should be chosen so that an unobstructed entry into the passenger compartment can be made without the need to cut through any massive structural members, supply pipes, electric cables or internal fitments such as luggage racks. Ideally, the points should be chosen so that it is only necessary to cut through the skin, light structural members and the internal furnishing lining material."

mjabbasi · 11-27-2006, 09:03 AM

If I'm not mistaken, don't the B.Bird Saudia 741's and 743's also have them?

Don Clipper Spirit · 11-27-2006, 11:57 AM

I know Garuda, Cathay Pacific and Dragonair have them on their planes.

N. Eberhard · 11-27-2006, 01:50 PM

Interesting. So when was the VC10 removed from service by UK airlines?

Quote:

Originally Posted by fv24

A quick search on Google found a bit more information about the 'Cut Here in Emergency' markings. They have been compulsory on all UK registered aircraft (and many Commonwealth countries too) at least since 1962, where the max weight is over 8,000 lbs.

A Civil Aviation Authority (the UK's equivalent of the US FAA) specification from 1962, tells us that:

"The position of the points should be such that in the event of a crash in which the final attitude of the aeroplane renders the normal and emergency exits useless for the rapid evacuation of trapped occupants, there will be for each passenger compartment at least one point in a position convenient for use."

and:

"The positioning and size of break-in points should be chosen so that an unobstructed entry into the passenger compartment can be made without the need to cut through any massive structural members, supply pipes, electric cables or internal fitments such as luggage racks. Ideally, the points should be chosen so that it is only necessary to cut through the skin, light structural members and the internal furnishing lining material."

hkgdave · 11-27-2006, 02:34 PM

Br.Caledonian 1974
Br.Airways (last Standard) 1979; (Supers) 1981
Dave

fv24 · 11-27-2006, 06:25 PM

The marks are visible on the BCal VC-10 in this view, and also in this BOAC Super VC-10.
I find it amazing that AeroClassics didn't include them.

L-1011-Heavy · 11-27-2006, 07:32 PM

You Know Those Are BARELY Visible. As A Young Boy I Never Even Noticed The Cut Marks & Yes I Spotted The B-Cal & BOAC VC-10s Once In Heathrow & Many Times In Frankfurt. I Don't Mind They Are Not Included.
Matter Of Fact The Problem With Printing Those Marks In This Scale Is The Fact They are TOO Noticeable. This Is A Nitpick IMO.

But Did You Seec That Poor B-Cal? Her Back Is Broken...Very Sad....

silverbird707 · 11-28-2006, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waiping

Exactly. From what I have noticed it's either the plane is in 1 piece - which does not warrant cutting through the fuselage, or there is no more fuselage to cut!
No need to be harsh Silverbird. I know you and I do not always share the same opinion but I do respect your opinions such as the one about special scheme on airliners.

Well this is DAC "The Wild, Wild World of Diecast Collecting" where anything goes.

Some of these comments show a basic lack of understanding on aircraft structures, once again you might stop looking at airliners.net and go look at some real airplanes, read some material on aircraft structures, then you will see the reasoning (and the need) for "cut here" boxes and many other things.

Many many details are lost on a small model of 1/400 scale...it's almost like apples to oranges (1/400 to the real thing).
I have found a few of the "colorful" liveries somewhat interesting, but there's NO WAY any of them are worth $75 - $100....not for a little metal model.

Instead how about going and buying the Airframe/Powerplant FAA books
that have the answers to the questions posted here.

waiping · 11-28-2006, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

Some of these comments show a basic lack of understanding on aircraft structures, once again you might stop looking at airliners.net and go look at some real airplanes, read some material on aircratf structures, then you will see the reasoning (and the need) for "cut here" boxes and many other things.

Huh, I thought airlines should follow guidelines set by the authority. Pictures are the real deal whereas books are just theories.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

Many many details are lost on a small model of 1/400 scale...it's almost like apples to oranges (1/400 to the real thing).
I have found a few of the "colorful" liveries somewhat interesting, but there's NO WAY any of them are worth $75 - $100....not for a little metal model.

I would be a bit lenient and say it's like comparing an orange with mandarin lime. For me there's a lot of differences between an apple and an orange. For a start they both have the same scale!

Of course some details might be lost that's why we judge individual manufacturer differently. Personally I would not spend more than a certain amount on a model. USD75 is a bit steep for me but it may not be for others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

Instead how about going and buying the Airframe/Powerplant FAA books that have the answers to the questions posted here.

I don't understand. Since books do not tally with airliners pictures, why read books that do not reflect true scenario?

silverbird707 · 11-28-2006, 12:57 PM

Huh, I thought airlines should follow guidelines set by the authority. Pictures are the real deal whereas books are just theories.

Wrong FAA books, maintenance manuals & structural manuals are NOT theory....shows you know zilch, and that's why you pose ridiculous questions and make uninformed statements.

I would be a bit lenient and say it's like comparing an orange with mandarin lime. For me there's a lot of differences between an apple and an orange.

Geez....you totally missed the point, not surprising!

I don't understand. Since books do not tally with airliners pictures, why read books that do not reflect true scenario?

OK then, don't read a book, instead look at Airliners.net, scratching your thick skull wondering gee....what's that for, it's not on my 1/400 model so it must not be right.

You can lead a horse to water......

STEVEJ · 11-28-2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fv24

The marks are visible on the BCal VC-10 in this view, and also in this BOAC Super VC-10.
I find it amazing that AeroClassics didn't include them.

And lets not forget that AC charges $5.00 more to skip details like that.

Dr Evil · 11-28-2006, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEVEJ

And lets not forget that AC charges $5.00 more to skip details like that.

Yeah, because Klink doesn't like blocked windows and cut here lines...

airParadigm.com · 11-28-2006, 05:29 PM

Someone's quite bitter today...

Dr Evil · 11-28-2006, 06:12 PM

Yeah... you right.

Still love that Gemini BA B747-400 with both on it. Adds a lot if you'd ask me.

airParadigm.com · 11-28-2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

Yeah... you right.
Still love that Gemini BA B747-400 with both on it. Adds a lot if you'd ask me.

Well wasn't really refrencing to you more of a silver birdie that seems to be on a roll, but you can be bitter too. I still think that Garuda 747s should have No Cut Markings.

waiping · 11-28-2006, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

Wrong FAA books, maintenance manuals & structural manuals are NOT theory....shows you know zilch, and that's why you pose ridiculous questions and make uninformed statements.

I admit that I do not know much about planes. I am not here to teach people something that I do not know. If you know so much why don't you inform us. I am sure this would be useful info for everyone. Or you do not know the answer since you contradicted your own statement. First you say don't follow the pictures in a.net, then you say follow the pictures.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

Geez....you totally missed the point, not surprising!

I agree I missed your point. Then again, what point are you referring to? Why some models have the "cut here" whereas other didn't bother to put them in? Quality issues, perhaps? Since it's a 1/400 scale model let's just omit this and that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

OK then, don't read a book, instead look at Airliners.net, scratching your thick skull wondering gee....what's that for, it's not on my 1/400 model so it must not be right.

You seems to be quite good at contradicting yourself, huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

You can lead a horse to water......

Don't worry, I don't have a S on my chest. What I can do you can too!

waiping · 11-28-2006, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB

Well wasn't really refrencing to you more of a silver birdie that seems to be on a roll, but you can be bitter too. I still think that Garuda 747s should have No Cut Markings.

Maybe he's having his "period".

gospodin · 11-29-2006, 12:20 AM

I was checking my fleet, and I noticed them on a Herpa United 777, so I guess it's not limited to the BA planes. All this info is great, I learn something new everytime I log in...

silverbird707 · 11-29-2006, 02:17 AM

Dac has gone to the dogs...or Junior Woodchucks
I give up trying to get a point across.....

Waiping....stay calm...don't move...I'll phone the authorities, seems a small town has lost their village idiot.

psalover · 11-29-2006, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waiping

Maybe he's having his "period".

Waiping,It seems we have a new N2272V on our hands. Whatever happened to good ol' Jim. I miss him with this guy posting

.

waiping · 11-29-2006, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

Dac has gone to the dogs...or Junior Woodchucks
I give up trying to get a point across.....

Waiping....stay calm...don't move...I'll phone the authorities, seems a small town has lost their village idiot.

I'll be here...the next tab is pointed to a.net.

Don Clipper Spirit · 11-29-2006, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gospodin

I was checking my fleet, and I noticed them on a Herpa United 777, so I guess it's not limited to the BA planes. All this info is great, I learn something new everytime I log in...

I am pretty sure that is a mistake from Herpa. IFAIK, UAL never had them on their planes.

dboyd001 · 11-29-2006, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gospodin

Does anyone know why they have "cut here" in small blocks on the top of the fuselage of the GJ VC-10? It doesn't appear on photos of the real plane, or on any other models from DW or AC, only on a few GJ planes (this being one of them).

.....I may be wrong, but I do remember some of these same markings on U.S. military planes.
Dave

JosephLalor · 09-28-2007, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

But Did You Seec That Poor B-Cal? Her Back Is Broken...Very Sad....

Are you referring to G-ARTA, the VC10 prototype that was brought to service standard and sold to BCal as modelled by GJ? She was scrapped a few years after a heavy landing in which the spoilers were raised while the aircraft was still a few feet above the ground.

Joseph

QFA388 · 09-28-2007, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gospodin

I was checking my fleet, and I noticed them on a Herpa United 777, so I guess it's not limited to the BA planes. All this info is great, I learn something new everytime I log in...

Correct, some Qantas aircraft have them also.
It appears due to regulatory inconsistency, that no-one is right or wrong with their opinions.

Just depends on whether an airline wants their pax to survive or not

David Hingtgen · 09-28-2007, 10:22 PM

I prefer the markings to be left off. They're barely visible in real life--they shouldn't be obvious at 1/400.

Same for cargo doors. Door outlines are nearly invisible even from pretty close range in 1/1. Yet there's thick black lines at 1/400??????

Printing on subtle markings like that is like printing on each individual rivet---so small that they should be ignored at 1/72 scale, much less 1/200 or 1/400.

Groover158 · 09-29-2007, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

Waiping....stay calm...don't move...I'll phone the authorities, seems a small town has lost their village idiot.

Why would a town lose a village idiot? I suspect their response would be 'stay on the line silverbird; we'll send someone to come and get you'

I am sure we are all sooo impressed to have the likes of an 'expert' such as yourself visiting this humble forum. I know that I am beside myself as I bask in you truely superior knowledge of all things aeronautical. Perhaps you should include all of your post-nominals in your signature block so we can kneel down in front of our monitors.

11-26-2006, 01:53 PM	#1
gospodin El Chupacabra Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ceti Alpha V Age: 53 Posts: 4,777	VC-10 cut lines Does anyone know why they have "cut here" in small blocks on the top of the fuselage of the GJ VC-10? It doesn't appear on photos of the real plane, or on any other models from DW or AC, only on a few GJ planes (this being one of them). __________________ Steve *It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others...*

11-26-2006, 04:14 PM	#2
Dr Evil Where's my "avatar"? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dr. Evil's secret lair Posts: 526	It is a British thing, you see it on some carriers from their (former) colonies also. It indicates spots on the fuselage where you can cut thru without the risk you encounter some wires or things. __________________ "I'm surrounded by freakin' idiots..."

11-26-2006, 04:46 PM	#3
fazeman Setting The Pace Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Age: 50 Posts: 2,699	Yeah, the "cut here" blocks were placed there after the old James Bond production company cut through the wrong area for an intense escape scene in Her Majesty's Secret Service. They decided to do it fleetwide. It's a British thing. __________________ Steve

11-26-2006, 05:24 PM	#5
gospodin El Chupacabra Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ceti Alpha V Age: 53 Posts: 4,777	The emergency escape thing was what I was thinking, so that rescuers wouldn't encounter a crossmember, but all of the information was interesting. I didn't realize it was just on British planes, but not the modern ones, I've noticed. Thanks, guys. __________________ Steve *It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others...*

11-26-2006, 07:44 PM	#7
gospodin El Chupacabra Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ceti Alpha V Age: 53 Posts: 4,777	I only have three BA planes in my fleet...the Concorde, an ERJ-145 and the VC-10, so that's why I didn't see any others with the cut here marks. I have a BOAC VC-10 and the Comet, no cut marks on them. __________________ Steve *It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others...*

11-26-2006, 07:23 PM	#6
fv24 Junior Collector Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 22	You'll still see the four red L's at the corners of the 'cut here' section on most planes in the British Airways fleet to this day. On the Airbuses, they're around windows in between the doors, while Boeings have them in the roof section of the fuselage.

11-26-2006, 08:56 PM	#8
waiping Unlicensed Collector Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,367	I am not sure the cut-here area would be effective in a crash. __________________ *Air Asia - NOT* everyone can fly** My collection at: Waiping's Collection

11-26-2006, 10:16 PM	#10
L-1011-Heavy Everyone Is A Toaster! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Cylon Colony, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 47 Posts: 6,363	I Think He Means When An Aircraft Is Ripped To Pieces Or Burned To Nothing. There Are Times The Cut Lines Do Mean Nothing As In The Eastern Flight 401 Or Value Jet 592. I think The Operative Word Here Is Crash Land Whereby The Fuselage Is Still Intact Which Of Course Is Where The Cut Lines Are Necessary. So Waiping Is Not Quite Correct, But I Get The Jist Of What He's Saying. __________________ *My PORN Site* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."*

11-27-2006, 02:42 AM	#12
sammyk Insane Collector Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Austin, TX Age: 35 Posts: 1,495	Just because it might crash in one piece who is to say all areas are easily accessible? What if it breaks apart in two and one can't enter from the broken part of the fuselage or if someone is trapped somewhere?

11-27-2006, 04:23 AM	#14
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 45 Posts: 4,340	I seriously doubt that the 'cut here' lines were used when the VC-10 was in service. But I could be wrong for the first time today.

11-27-2006, 08:33 AM	#15
fv24 Junior Collector Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 22	A quick search on Google found a bit more information about the 'Cut Here in Emergency' markings. They have been compulsory on all UK registered aircraft (and many Commonwealth countries too) at least since 1962, where the max weight is over 8,000 lbs. A Civil Aviation Authority (the UK's equivalent of the US FAA) specification from 1962, tells us that: "The position of the points should be such that in the event of a crash in which the final attitude of the aeroplane renders the normal and emergency exits useless for the rapid evacuation of trapped occupants, there will be for each passenger compartment at least one point in a position convenient for use." and: "The positioning and size of break-in points should be chosen so that an unobstructed entry into the passenger compartment can be made without the need to cut through any massive structural members, supply pipes, electric cables or internal fitments such as luggage racks. Ideally, the points should be chosen so that it is only necessary to cut through the skin, light structural members and the internal furnishing lining material." Last edited by fv24; 11-27-2006 at 08:48 AM.

11-27-2006, 09:03 AM	#16
mjabbasi Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pakistan Posts: 6,963	If I'm not mistaken, don't the B.Bird Saudia 741's and 743's also have them?

11-27-2006, 11:57 AM	#17
Don Clipper Spirit Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: At the airport of Amsterdam Posts: 1,132	I know Garuda, Cathay Pacific and Dragonair have them on their planes. __________________ Pan American World Airways - the world's most experienced airline

11-27-2006, 02:34 PM	#19
hkgdave Back in the labour pool Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sultanate of Oman Age: 60 Posts: 291	Br.Caledonian 1974 Br.Airways (last Standard) 1979; (Supers) 1981 Dave

11-27-2006, 06:25 PM	#20
fv24 Junior Collector Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 22	The marks are visible on the BCal VC-10 in this view, and also in this BOAC Super VC-10. I find it amazing that AeroClassics didn't include them.

11-27-2006, 07:32 PM	#21
L-1011-Heavy Everyone Is A Toaster! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Cylon Colony, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 47 Posts: 6,363	You Know Those Are BARELY Visible. As A Young Boy I Never Even Noticed The Cut Marks & Yes I Spotted The B-Cal & BOAC VC-10s Once In Heathrow & Many Times In Frankfurt. I Don't Mind They Are Not Included. Matter Of Fact The Problem With Printing Those Marks In This Scale Is The Fact They are TOO Noticeable. This Is A Nitpick IMO. But Did You Seec That Poor B-Cal? Her Back Is Broken...Very Sad.... __________________ *My PORN Site* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."*

11-28-2006, 12:57 PM	#24
silverbird707 Jet Clipper "Benton" VTOL Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: America Posts: 198	Huh, I thought airlines should follow guidelines set by the authority. Pictures are the real deal whereas books are just theories. Wrong FAA books, maintenance manuals & structural manuals are NOT theory....shows you know zilch, and that's why you pose ridiculous questions and make uninformed statements. I would be a bit lenient and say it's like comparing an orange with mandarin lime. For me there's a lot of differences between an apple and an orange. Geez....you totally missed the point, not surprising! I don't understand. Since books do not tally with airliners pictures, why read books that do not reflect true scenario? OK then, don't read a book, instead look at Airliners.net, scratching your thick skull wondering gee....what's that for, it's not on my 1/400 model so it must not be right. You can lead a horse to water...... __________________ Saturday mornings rocked!

11-28-2006, 05:29 PM	#27
airParadigm.com Got Koalas? Join Date: Jan 1999 Age: 24 Posts: 5,716	Someone's quite bitter today...

11-28-2006, 06:12 PM	#28
Dr Evil Where's my "avatar"? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dr. Evil's secret lair Posts: 526	Yeah... you right. Still love that Gemini BA B747-400 with both on it. Adds a lot if you'd ask me. __________________ "I'm surrounded by freakin' idiots..."

11-29-2006, 12:20 AM	#32
gospodin El Chupacabra Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ceti Alpha V Age: 53 Posts: 4,777	I was checking my fleet, and I noticed them on a Herpa United 777, so I guess it's not limited to the BA planes. All this info is great, I learn something new everytime I log in... __________________ Steve *It's possible that the whole purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others...*

11-29-2006, 02:17 AM	#33
silverbird707 Jet Clipper "Benton" VTOL Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: America Posts: 198	Dac has gone to the dogs...or Junior Woodchucks I give up trying to get a point across..... Waiping....stay calm...don't move...I'll phone the authorities, seems a small town has lost their village idiot. __________________ Saturday mornings rocked!

09-28-2007, 10:22 PM	#40
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 4,589	Re: VC-10 cut lines I prefer the markings to be left off. They're barely visible in real life--they shouldn't be obvious at 1/400. Same for cargo doors. Door outlines are nearly invisible even from pretty close range in 1/1. Yet there's thick black lines at 1/400?????? Printing on subtle markings like that is like printing on each individual rivet---so small that they should be ignored at 1/72 scale, much less 1/200 or 1/400. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!*

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