NEW RELEASE: 1:400 Phoenix Models Aeroflot DC-10-40F

airParadigm.com · 11-04-2006, 06:31 PM

NEW RELEASE: 1:400 Phoenix Models Aeroflot DC-10-40F

DC-10-40F

1:400

Country:Russia

Asia

PH4AFLXXX

14489

2006

Units Produced 600

"1990s" Colors.

W2

Box Code: P2

VP-BDG

3 JT9D-59A

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L-1011-Heavy · 11-04-2006, 07:04 PM

I'm Willing To Bet This Does Not Have The Engines Indicated In The Model Specificatrion Header. This Is Also Likely The Former Tucriminal Mould.
The Nose Is Wrong & Cocpkit Is Not Even As Good As Gemini's Poor Excuse Of A Window.
I'd Be Happier With Just A saticker If I Only Wanted The Livery.

hkgdave · 11-05-2006, 04:33 AM

Judge PeeWee, What do you think about this model? Particularly the engine issue.
We await your wise counsel.

Dave

mittelholzer · 11-05-2006, 07:36 AM

See the original plane to compare.

nik · 11-05-2006, 11:46 AM

What plane?

Mystère · 11-06-2006, 03:28 PM

Well, maybe I missed something, but engines seem good, don't they ? And the nose too (although I confess not having one in hand, just judging from the photos

).

L-1011-Heavy · 11-07-2006, 01:43 AM

But The Tucrappo/Phoenix Has Been Known To Be The Worst Nose/Cockpit. Gemini's Is Bad, The Poocano Was Worse. Unless They Magically Made It Better.
Anyway Regardless Of Model Not In My Hand, But Judging From The Pic,The Cockpit Has Absolutely No Dihedral Which Is Wrong. The Engines Appear To Be The Standard Ones They've Always Used, Again Which Is Wrong.

goldy · 11-07-2006, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hkgdave

Judge PeeWee, What do you think about this model? Particularly the engine issue.
We await your wise counsel.

Dave

In this instance I have to overlook the engine issue and go with the livery. Unless Dragon Wings thinks to do this one we won't see this one come our way again I am afraid. My attitude is for me to take what I can get. I do think that this one will be a popular selling model. Not often that an Eastern European airline adds a DC-10 to their fleet. This is a popular airframe flown by an interesting airline. A good combination.

Peewee

KRASAIRIL62 · 11-07-2006, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldy

. This is a popular airframe flown by an interesting airline. A good combination.
Peewee

Totally agree and i think the wrong second engine isn't going to stop me from buying it!

TAAG, Air Lybia, Azer bus alll very hot and will enter my collection!

STEVEJ · 11-07-2006, 12:48 PM

I have the Sabena model that looks like someone sat on the cockpit and flattened it, please tell me this is not the same mould?

L-1011-Heavy · 11-07-2006, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEVEJ

I have the Sabena model that looks like someone sat on the cockpit and flattened it, please tell me this is not the same mould?

IDENTICAL!

L-1011-Heavy · 11-07-2006, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRASAIRIL62

Totally agree and i think the wrong second engine isn't going to stop me from buying it!
TAAG, Air Lybia, Azer bus alll very hot and will enter my collection!

mmm ALL 3 Need To Be Changed. PW JT-9-59A Do Look Different Than GE CF-6-50.
Someone Nailed It In Another Post. If You Put The Nicest Livery On A Brick, You Still Got A Brick.

STEVEJ · 11-07-2006, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

IDENTICAL!

aweF.........

really wanted this one, but pass on the mould.

L-1011-Heavy · 11-07-2006, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEVEJ

aweF.........

really wanted this one, but pass on the mould.

You Know...All Collector's Should Go Through This Pain... It's The ONLY Way The Hobby Can Progress, Otherwise Model Makers Revert, Or Become Stagnant Such As This One. Our Wallets Have The Most Power. If Our Wallets Vote "Yes" To Such Models, I Gaurantee You No Maker Will Improve That Product. And I Can't Blame Them.
We As Collectors Are As Much To Blame As Manufacturers If We Buy That Less Than Stellar "Just Can't Live Without" Model.

I Go Through that Same Agony Time & Again, More Often Than I'd Like. I've Learned To Do Without Rather Than Accept the "Nothing Else Better Out There" Mentality. If More Collectors Had That Discipline, Then Eventually Someone Will Make That Livery On A Better Product.
Patience Is a Virtue. I Would Not Count Out DW On This. Though Thy ARE Slow releasing, I NEVER Expected Thm To Do The Varig Old Colors DC-10 Which Has About The Same Popularity Of The Aeroflot. (Kind Of Similar Livery, Too) So The Best Remedy Is To Buy a Varig Until This Is Releaed. Currently I'm Enjoying My Varig Very Much!

Mystère · 11-07-2006, 01:34 PM

Quote:

mmm ALL 3 Need To Be Changed. PW JT-9-59A Do Look Different Than GE CF-6-50.
Someone Nailed It In Another Post. If You Put The Nicest Livery On A Brick, You Still Got A Brick.

Hmm, true for #2 engine, but how do you make a difference for underwing ones (I mean, at this scale) ? Anyway, after studying photos a little more, underwing engines have a bad shape, and are not far enough from the ground, but tail engine looks like a JT-9 to me.

Quote:

I have the Sabena model that looks like someone sat on the cockpit and flattened it, please tell me this is not the same mould?

I missed that. It's really too flat. But it seems too flat on GJ's A380 too, and no one called it "crap" or "criminal"...

L-1011-Heavy · 11-07-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystère

Hmm, true for #2 engine, but how do you make a difference for underwing ones (I mean, at this scale) ? Anyway, after studying photos a little more, underwing engines have a bad shape, and are not far enough from the ground, but tail engine looks like a JT-9 to me.

I missed that. It's really too flat. But it seems too flat on GJ's A380 too, and no one called it "crap" or "criminal"...

Well, I'm The Only One That Held A Candle Against The Gemini 380 With The Exception Of A Few Who Agreeed With Me.. I Have Posted Pics & Commented In Just About Every Gemini 380 Thread.
The Word Tucriminal From The Business Practices From The Former Tucano Product (Known As Tucrappo & Poocano As Most Of Their Moulds Were Not Very Good, Save For The Fabulous Embraer. Their 743/744 Are Fairly Decent At Best, But The Rest? )
They Got Thier Name Tucriminal From Taking Money From Retailers And a Few Collectors & Not Sending Product.
I've Been Told That They Owed Money For Thier Moulds As well, Which Now Are Shared By Gemini & Phoenix. It Is Obvious They Were Re-Possessed By The Factory.
The Term Tucriminal Is Apt
From What I Understand These Same Poeple Are Partners With BlueBox.

Mystère · 11-07-2006, 01:59 PM

Being quite new to the world of 1/400 collecting, thank you to clarify things for me.

Phantom · 11-07-2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystère

Hmm, true for #2 engine, but how do you make a difference for underwing ones (I mean, at this scale) ?

Go check DW's DC-10 releases and you'll find 4 different looking powerplants on their models (!)
That is basically two different moulds for the engine cowlings:
- One for the CF6-50...
- One for the JT9D

and different exhaust sections for
- CF6-50... both short and long nozzles (they also use the short ones for the CF6-6.. on the DC-10-10

)
- JT9D-20 for NW 10-40
- JT9D-59 for JL 10-40

KRASAIRIL62 · 11-07-2006, 07:16 PM

I'll wait and see! History told us when PHX is releasing something DW will shortly after release the same thing so let us hope DW next releases will have this 10 also!

silverbird707 · 11-09-2006, 03:03 AM

I believe this is the old Tucano mould and not the Big Shooter mould
which is similar.

First photo is Tucano (prominent wing box seam)
Second photo is Big Shooter (no wing box seam)

This is a shame as I'd love an Aeroflot DC-10.

TK-421 · 11-09-2006, 06:30 AM

Man I miss the tri-jets.
Trent

L-1011-Heavy · 11-09-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverbird707

I believe this is the old Tucano mould and not the Big Shooter mould
which is similar.

First photo is Tucano (prominent wing box seam)
Second photo is Big Shooter (no wing box seam)

This is a shame as I'd love an Aeroflot DC-10.

Those 2 Moulds Are Not Even Remotely Similar...The Big Shooter Is The DW -30.
Note The Differences EVERYwhere, Nose, Cockpit, Fuselage, Pyolons,Engines, Particularly #2 (BTW That Tucrappo Engine Should Be Identical To DW As It's The Same Aircraft. Note The Heavy Contouring On The Tucrappo Which Does Not Exist To That Extreme On Any DC-10 Airliner I Know Of.

KRASAIRIL62 · 11-09-2006, 05:15 PM

Patient guys! I think DW will show up with the Aeroflot 40!

11-05-2006, 04:33 AM	#3
hkgdave Back in the labour pool Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sultanate of Oman Age: 58 Posts: 251	PeeWee, What do you reckon? Judge PeeWee, What do you think about this model? Particularly the engine issue. We await your wise counsel. Dave

11-07-2006, 01:43 AM	#7
L-1011-Heavy The Heavy One Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 45 Posts: 4,754	But The Tucrappo/Phoenix Has Been Known To Be The Worst Nose/Cockpit. Gemini's Is Bad, The Poocano Was Worse. Unless They Magically Made It Better. Anyway Regardless Of Model Not In My Hand, But Judging From The Pic,The Cockpit Has Absolutely No Dihedral Which Is Wrong. The Engines Appear To Be The Standard Ones They've Always Used, Again Which Is Wrong. __________________ *The Heavy Armada* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."*

11-07-2006, 07:16 PM	#19
KRASAIRIL62 Russian model collector Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Otherside of the pond, Europe!! Posts: 731	I'll wait and see! History told us when PHX is releasing something DW will shortly after release the same thing so let us hope DW next releases will have this 10 also! __________________ *NEED IT* ........ *KRASAIR IL-86!!!* www.lesmills.com

11-09-2006, 03:03 AM	#20
silverbird707 Jet Clipper "Benton" VTOL Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: America Posts: 197	I believe this is the old Tucano mould and not the Big Shooter mould which is similar. First photo is Tucano (prominent wing box seam) Second photo is Big Shooter (no wing box seam) This is a shame as I'd love an Aeroflot DC-10. __________________ Saturday mornings rocked!

11-09-2006, 06:30 AM	#21
TK-421 Éminence Grise Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sydney NSW Posts: 294	Man I miss the tri-jets. Trent __________________

11-04-2006, 07:04 PM	#2
L-1011-Heavy The Heavy One Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 45 Posts: 4,754	I'm Willing To Bet This Does Not Have The Engines Indicated In The Model Specificatrion Header. This Is Also Likely The Former Tucriminal Mould. The Nose Is Wrong & Cocpkit Is Not Even As Good As Gemini's Poor Excuse Of A Window. I'd Be Happier With Just A saticker If I Only Wanted The Livery. __________________ *The Heavy Armada* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."* Last edited by L-1011-Heavy; 11-05-2006 at 09:48 AM.

11-05-2006, 07:36 AM	#4
mittelholzer Collector Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 87	See the original plane to compare.

11-05-2006, 11:46 AM	#5
nik Registered User Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Ulm, Germany Posts: 163	What plane?

11-06-2006, 03:28 PM	#6
Mystère Dewoitine 338 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Midway between Omaha Beach and Paris. Age: 38 Posts: 1,134	Well, maybe I missed something, but engines seem good, don't they ? And the nose too (although I confess not having one in hand, just judging from the photos ).

11-07-2006, 12:48 PM	#10
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,664	I have the Sabena model that looks like someone sat on the cockpit and flattened it, please tell me this is not the same mould?

11-07-2006, 01:59 PM	#17
Mystère Dewoitine 338 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Midway between Omaha Beach and Paris. Age: 38 Posts: 1,134	Being quite new to the world of 1/400 collecting, thank you to clarify things for me.

11-09-2006, 05:15 PM	#23
KRASAIRIL62 Russian model collector Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Otherside of the pond, Europe!! Posts: 731	Patient guys! I think DW will show up with the Aeroflot 40! __________________ *NEED IT* ........ *KRASAIR IL-86!!!* www.lesmills.com