No more aero classics ? - Page 3

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-18-2006, 10:07 AM

Things that make you go, hmmmmmmm....

With over 100 replies to this thread,

There is only one person who has posted who visit's China 10 to 12 times per year.

There is only one person who has posted who deals with model factories on a regular basis (every month).

There is only one person who has posted who speaks to model factory owners hundreds of times a year on the phone.

There is only one person who has posted who has the real inside track on what's going on in China.

Hmmmmmmm, guess we know who has the most credibility in this thread...

goldy · 10-18-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by psalover

You must get your model directly from Andrew then. ADI,Who distributes Aeroclassics, Put out a letter stating that there was a strike. Now weather thats true, who knows, but it came from them. I know he rest of the rest of the retailers got that letter.

I get models from ADI but I do not recall the letter. I may have gotten the letter but like every other bit of information that does not either directly pertain to my business operation or that does not concern what it is that I am doing I ignore it. I think that I stated somewhere else that I did not care if there were no AC for me to buy. I will just use that money that was ear marked for AC to buy something else.

Peewee

Steven De Lisser · 10-18-2006, 10:20 AM

Its enlightening when the owner of a private company comes on a public forum to dispell the rumours of his own demise and certain individuals still continue not to believe him. Thats incredibly juvenile.

Some of you guys behave like this kind of stuff really matters - who exactly are you carrying a torch for and whats the pay-off.

And by the way, this isnt about free speech, this is about running off at the mouth and trying to inflame a situation you wished desperately would happen and hasnt.

Steven De Lisser

STAR ALLIANCE · 10-18-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aklein707

Dave, if you want to continue to support these criminals, don't come crying to me later after you've been cut off from my product!
It's all your own doing!!

Hmmmmmmmm North Korea has a dictator and he's just been cut off as well

By cutting retailers off it's hurting your business numbers and now showing up on your books.................you just don't do business that way, I know for a fact that you have tried to block an Australian retailer with if you stock BBX than I wont supply to you. Well this retailer still stocks BBX and has reduced your orders down to a few

IKONOS · 10-18-2006, 10:22 AM

Most interesting thread!
Especially because of the fact that it was begun by a little known someone merely stating perceived hearsay, and boom! everyone jumps on board. Talk about brainwashed sheep being led to the slaughterhouse.
One thing, and one thing only made me reply to this thread though - and that was the references made towards political affiliations.
Why? What do current politics have to do with model collecting? I try very hard to detach myself as far away as possible from the onslaught of political garbage being projected from all of the media outlets only to find it intertwined in this thread, which is based on gossip anyway.

goldy · 10-18-2006, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven De Lisser

Its enlightening when the owner of a private company comes on a public forum to dispell the rumours of his own demise and certain individuals still continue not to believe him. Thats incredibly juvenile.
Some of you guys behave like this kind of stuff really matters - who exactly are you carrying a torch for and whats the pay-off.
And by the way, this isnt about free speech, this is about running off at the mouth and trying to inflame a situation you wished desperately would happen and hasnt.
Steven De Lisser

What I don't get is why a no name malcontent can arbitrarily throw out an unfounded and unconfirmed rumor, which some are willing to believe, but when the person who has been slandered tells his side of it then those same people will not hear of it. That makes no sense to me.

Oh, by the way, I have it from a reliable souce that actor Chuck Norris has purchased thousands of unsold models from bankrupt SMAC. He plans to boil off all of the paint and then repaint them in different airline schemes. This is a smart move on his part because he will save a ton of money on international shipping costs and custom dutys. I heard that his company will be named Walker Model Company. I for one am looking forward to this because I like Chuck and I like that SMAC (former AeroClassics) mould. You heard it hear first

Peewee

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-18-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by goldy

What I don't get is why a no name malcontent can arbitrarily throw out an unfounded and unconfirmed rumor, which some are willing to believe, but when the person who has been slandered tells his side of it then those same people will not hear of it. That makes no sense to me.

Maybe because those people have other agenda's

or

They're like leading sheep to slaughter, they will believe anything

Don Clipper Spirit · 10-18-2006, 11:00 AM

If certain members would cut the political blahblah, than this entire thread would not have made it till page 2.

hugo · 10-18-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SVL1011

Shoot! Just heard through the grapevine that AC is out of business because the factory booted them! That stinks. First we loose SMA and now AC?

er why are you saying he is a malcontent? Seems to me he was try to find out if that rumour was true? Seemingly it wasn't - why attack him/her who, again from his text would be unhappy if it was true?

And if it was untrue why do the Hangar400 clones react so violently? Can expect little else from JPC who lives up to his last name but the others??

This concerted attack on DAC is really quite unpleasant and does little credit to the "Aeroclassics/Hangar400 we're not biased forum"

- Squabbles may flare up and down but for a Manufacturer to attempt not only to dictate to dealers but also to alternative forums is getting out of hand. AK calm down for goodness sake - you may enjoy the debate, but some of your devoted coterie can't handle disagreements and they only show themselves up.

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-18-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by hugo

And if it was untrue why do the Hangar400 clones react so violently?

Who reacted violently?

You don't read so well, do you?

Why would we react? simply, when false statements are made, why would we not respond? Makes perfect sense.....

What is funny, some person makes a thread, you have no idea who this person is but some will blindly believe his post and defend it......

Sheep......(or morons!) and it's always the same people with the same agenda.....

Don Clipper Spirit · 10-18-2006, 11:54 AM

Maybe it are the same 400SH people with agendas other than collecting who defend a little too often....

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-18-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Clipper Spirit

Maybe it are the same 400SH people with agendas other than collecting who defend a little too often....

Or, maybe not

hugo · 10-18-2006, 12:29 PM

I rest my case! With supporters like this does AK need enemies?

goldy · 10-18-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hugo

er why are you saying he is a malcontent? Seems to me he was try to find out if that rumour was true? Seemingly it wasn't - why attack him/her who, again from his text would be unhappy if it was true?
And if it was untrue why do the Hangar400 clones react so violently? Can expect little else from JPC who lives up to his last name but the others??
This concerted attack on DAC is really quite unpleasant and does little credit to the "Aeroclassics/Hangar400 we're not biased forum"

- Squabbles may flare up and down but for a Manufacturer to attempt not only to dictate to dealers but also to alternative forums is getting out of hand. AK calm down for goodness sake - you may enjoy the debate, but some of your devoted coterie can't handle disagreements and they only show themselves up.

Hugo, what else could it be but someone who has said something from off of the wall? A non regular poster with little or no credibility reciting an unconfirmed or nonverifiable source and then does not return to the thread that he began to comment, debate, or verify. Whatelse are we to think? This is a classic case of hit and run. Did not not believe my statement about Chuck Norris but chose to believe him instead? Why?

Peewee

hugo · 10-18-2006, 01:04 PM

It might be that if he/she is new, asked for confirmation of a rumour and got "frightened off" by the polemic from the usual 2! It might be that you are absolutely correct, but, rather like ebay, people starting off with little or no feedback do lack credibility initially - doesn't mean they are the anti-Christ.

We have now heard that Aeroclassics is not folding soon - great!

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-18-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by goldy

This is a classic case of hit and run. Did not not believe my statement about Chuck Norris but chose to believe him instead? Why?

Because Hugo has other motives

ARIUS · 10-18-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ba777-236

JB, rather than "getting a beer" shouldn't you find out if this information is correct, and if not, delete this thread?

This kind of talk is dangerous. The world is full of rumours. Let the reader sort out what they want to believe. It is not the role of the moderator to look at every assertion to determine whether it is fact or not. In this case the rumour was dispelled by Mr. Klein in post #82.

cpal_747 · 10-18-2006, 02:35 PM

I find it hilarious that one guy when fishing with a post, and look at all the people that got caught up in his net.

As we all know, the only really respectable, truthful, honest and above board diecast companies are the Pan Am Model Company and Green Box. All the rest are deceitful money-grabbers.

goldy · 10-18-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hugo

It might be that if he/she is new, asked for confirmation of a rumour and got "frightened off" by the polemic from the usual 2! It might be that you are absolutely correct, but, rather like ebay, people starting off with little or no feedback do lack credibility initially - doesn't mean they are the anti-Christ.

We have now heard that Aeroclassics is not folding soon - great!

That may be correct. Scared away by the infighting. I would not blame them for it. I still suspect the troll...or the hit and run mentality but you may be just as correct as I am, Hugo.

Peewee

hugo · 10-18-2006, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

Because Hugo has other motives

What motives might they be?

goldy · 10-18-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cpal_747

I find it hilarious that one guy when fishing with a post, and look at all the people that got caught up in his net.
As we all know, the only really respectable, truthful, honest and above board diecast companies are the Pan Am Model Company and Green Box. All the rest are deceitful money-grabbers.

That's why they call them "trolls", Cpal. Hit and run low lifes with nothing better to do then to make unfounded statements. With that said I thought the original question did prompt a good debate and it did serve to clear that air that AC is both well and fine and will soon announce their next batch of models. I really did think that the Chuck Norris comment would draw a little more attention than it did. After all Chuck is a semi famous guy and his model company should do well with the former SMAC models.

Peewee

goldy · 10-18-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cpal_747

I find it hilarious that one guy when fishing with a post, and look at all the people that got caught up in his net.
As we all know, the only really respectable, truthful, honest and above board diecast companies are the Pan Am Model Company and Green Box. All the rest are deceitful money-grabbers.

That's why they call them "trolls", Cpal. Hit and run low lifes with nothing better to do then to make unfounded statements. With that said I thought the original question did prompt a good debate and it did serve to clear that air that AC is both well and fine and will soon announce their next batch of models. I really did think that the Chuck Norris comment would draw a little more attention than it did. After all Chuck is a semi famous guy and his model company should do well with the former SMAC models.
Peewee

ELY707 · 10-18-2006, 05:57 PM

With Aeroclassics being probably the best 400 scale model manufacturer today, I can't believe there are a few collectors out there actually hoping that this rumour is true. It is obvious these few aren't avid collectors as the rest of us are and they are here just to bash Andrew Klein. You guys really take the fun and respect away from this hobby. A thread as stupid as this to go on so long really takes the cake.

psalover · 10-18-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aklein707

Dave, if you want to continue to support these criminals, don't come crying to me later after you've been cut off from my product!
It's all your own doing!!

Im not supporting anybody, Im simply implying that you cannot just tell us something, and expect us not to question it. Were are a curious species, and want answers. You say that they are crooks, but have nothing to back your theory, or why you believe this. What have they done to you?

I was serious about the comment about the republican party. This is what George Bush is trying to do. If G.W. says it's true, by god, it must be. Your better then this.

I think your models are wonderful, and your taste in liveries have been spot on, but no offense, your people, and communication skills are less the steller. You need to communicate better with your fans, and explain why you want us to feel a certain way.After all, you started by calling them Crooks.

If you feel the need to cut me off from purchasing your collectables, then thats your desicion. I have supported you from the beggining, and have gone to bat for you several times. I have not sold BlueBox, because you didn't want those who sold Aeroclassics to sell BlueBox, so I stayed with you. Even though those who did sell both before, still do. Im not making money hand over fist, I sell these planes, because I love these planes, but I collected 1/9 drag bikes before, and before that I built Fox Bodied Mustangs for race. This is not my first hobby, nor will it be my last, just happens to be the one I've enjoyed the longest.

So do what you feel is best for you.

10-18-2006, 10:22 AM	#105
IKONOS RETRO HEAD COLLECTOR Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CAE-CLT-RIC: USA Age: 38 Posts: 366	Most interesting thread! Especially because of the fact that it was begun by a little known someone merely stating perceived hearsay, and boom! everyone jumps on board. Talk about brainwashed sheep being led to the slaughterhouse. One thing, and one thing only made me reply to this thread though - and that was the references made towards political affiliations. Why? What do current politics have to do with model collecting? I try very hard to detach myself as far away as possible from the onslaught of political garbage being projected from all of the media outlets only to find it intertwined in this thread, which is based on gossip anyway. __________________ sale collection photos last.fm

10-18-2006, 11:00 AM	#108
Don Clipper Spirit Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: At the airport of Amsterdam Posts: 1,132	If certain members would cut the political blahblah, than this entire thread would not have made it till page 2. __________________ Pan American World Airways - the world's most experienced airline

10-18-2006, 11:54 AM	#111
Don Clipper Spirit Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: At the airport of Amsterdam Posts: 1,132	Maybe it are the same 400SH people with agendas other than collecting who defend a little too often.... __________________ Pan American World Airways - the world's most experienced airline

10-18-2006, 02:35 PM	#118
cpal_747 Mission Accomplished! Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 750	I find it hilarious that one guy when fishing with a post, and look at all the people that got caught up in his net. As we all know, the only really respectable, truthful, honest and above board diecast companies are the Pan Am Model Company and Green Box. All the rest are deceitful money-grabbers. __________________ They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Ben Franklin

10-18-2006, 05:57 PM	#123
ELY707 insane collector Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 398	With Aeroclassics being probably the best 400 scale model manufacturer today, I can't believe there are a few collectors out there actually hoping that this rumour is true. It is obvious these few aren't avid collectors as the rest of us are and they are here just to bash Andrew Klein. You guys really take the fun and respect away from this hobby. A thread as stupid as this to go on so long really takes the cake. __________________ Approaching model number 1300 and loving every minute of it!

10-18-2006, 10:07 AM	#101
JustPlaneCrazy DieCast WatchDog Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,357	Things that make you go, hmmmmmmm.... With over 100 replies to this thread, There is only one person who has posted who visit's China 10 to 12 times per year. There is only one person who has posted who deals with model factories on a regular basis (every month). There is only one person who has posted who speaks to model factory owners hundreds of times a year on the phone. There is only one person who has posted who has the real inside track on what's going on in China. Hmmmmmmm, guess we know who has the most credibility in this thread...

10-18-2006, 10:20 AM	#103
Steven De Lisser Master Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 776	Its enlightening when the owner of a private company comes on a public forum to dispell the rumours of his own demise and certain individuals still continue not to believe him. Thats incredibly juvenile. Some of you guys behave like this kind of stuff really matters - who exactly are you carrying a torch for and whats the pay-off. And by the way, this isnt about free speech, this is about running off at the mouth and trying to inflame a situation you wished desperately would happen and hasnt. Steven De Lisser

10-18-2006, 12:29 PM	#113
hugo Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Channel Islands Posts: 911	I rest my case! With supporters like this does AK need enemies?

10-18-2006, 01:04 PM	#115
hugo Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Channel Islands Posts: 911	It might be that if he/she is new, asked for confirmation of a rumour and got "frightened off" by the polemic from the usual 2! It might be that you are absolutely correct, but, rather like ebay, people starting off with little or no feedback do lack credibility initially - doesn't mean they are the anti-Christ. We have now heard that Aeroclassics is not folding soon - great!