L-1011-Heavy

Before All Of You Get Up In A Hussy Fit, My Point Here Is To Get FACT Not Opinion Straight Here. There Has Been Several Posts How Accurate The New Gemini Nose Is. Well Seems Those Very Posters Didn't See The Ski Slope I Was Talking About. Best Way To Go About It And Get the Real Pis Of The Real Deal This Time. The Nose Is Off By Several Feet (In Scale)

Agreed The Gemini's Details Are Amazing. Thier Wings & Engines Are Awsome, Too But It's The "Face" That Makes The Difference.
Herpa (Post Lufthansa & Air France) & DW Still Have Set The Bar On This One.
Pictures Don't Lie.

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STEVEJ

Sorry, not valid, none of the comparison shots have been taken at the exact same angle , I have taken a lot of photos, it does make a difference. If you hold the model at the exact same position as the 1:1, they will look exactly the same. Sorry can't post any pictures here from work.

L-1011-Heavy

Sorry, After Exhaustive Research I Have Yet To See A Straight Line On A Steep Concordish Angle Such As MR CX Pic #1 From Any Vantage Point. The Area Above The Cockpit Bulges From All Angles.

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Press4MECO

THANK YOU L-1011 for this! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who has noted this.
I'm not one to nit pick these models myself, and frankly am sometimes astounded by the little details that are picked at with any given release. I'm just glad we have them at all. So when the Gemini A380 was released I was and have since been confsued when reading all the accolades that have come out for it. As has been pointed out above by at least one other astute observer, the nose is clearly too long. It's more blunt, and snubbed, as illustrated perfectly in the last photo above, and which Dragon has cleary nailed.
I'm one of those who isn't preferential to one company or another, and could care less whether it's plastic or metal, or the fuselage is .1 mm out of scale. But the high-praise which is being spoken for this model and, quite honestly, the blind eye that has been turned on this error has had me completely dumbfounded.
It's a good model otherwise, but I think I'll have to go with DW on this one.

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Abraxas

I'm actually surprised (now) to see how 'stubby' the real A380's nose is... Definitely DW is closer, but I was a bit confused by how the printed the cockpit on their A380's, which I think Gemini got right (or better). As Press4MECO said, I'm pretty glad that we have the choice to get a 1:400 A380 at all... I'm now considering buying the GJ QF A380 just to get some comparison's between that and my DW.

Dan

waiping

Just a suggestion.

Has anyone try CT scan on the model?

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L-1011-Heavy

True, I Don't Nitpick Details On The Wing Or Landing Gear. When A 727 Is 1 mm Different Than a 707 I Don't Say Much There, Either, But When The Diffrences Are To The Extent A Blind Man Can See It, I'll Say Something.
With This Mould It Doesn't Interest Me Really, I Have 90% Of All 380s I Want Anyway. But As You Said, The High Praise Went On Long Enough. I Stated This Once & I'll State It Again. Poeple Don't Look At How Well It's Made. They Only See The Name On The Box. That's How Some Can Turn A Blind Eye To Some Obvious Errors.
Myself I Think Like You. That's Why I Have 300 DW/Jet-x, 160 Plus Aeroclassics, 150 Plus Gemini, 80 Or So Big Bird, 30 SMA, (Insert Color) Boxes, & A Host Of Others Including Tucrappo & Herpa.

Yes The DW Is Closer, But No One Nailed It Yet. & Ufg! The DW Cockpit Made A Fuggly Plane Even Fugglier. I Don't Like The DW Wings In This Particular Case, Either. Too Thick. But I Still Prefer It Because Of The Nose.



A Cat Scan Won't Work, But For Years I Had The Idea Of Some Sort Of Giant Laser Scanner That Traveled The Length Of The Real Plane.

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L-1011-Heavy

Something Else No One Noticed. Look At The Doors & Windows, Gemini's Are Much Too Big. Also If You Ask Me The Hiegt From Top To Bottom Is Much Too Skinny. The A-380 Is Rather A Towering Fuselage, But Gemini Didn't Seem To Capture That.

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ACpilot

I actually picked up the Gemini QF A380 today and I am impressed.
I have purchased DW A380s before and for me the deal breaker (Easily corrected by Dragon Wings in the future I hope) is the cockpit printing!
On the DW versions the front cockpit windows are simply printed too low.
A very obvious and glaring error.

TK-421

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how do they fix the little wheel hubs and axles so they don't fall off?

KenLan

thank you L-1101
thats the first thing i saw from this A380!

Iceman_c27

This is very interesting because I have a few A380's (DW, Herpa 1:400, Blue Box 1:500 and Gemini coming) and I think DW is definitely the closest. Herpa's is similar to the GJ's posted here, kind of longish but they did get the flat panels right...

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KenLan

right DW nose i WAY better..but it lacks on details

heres ahelp L-1101

heres the link from the original photo
Airliners.net Photos: Lufthansa (Airbus Industrie) Airbus A380-841

as you can see GJ has a near perfection cockpit!

Don Clipper Spirit

I totally agree with you Rick. But note that some members will always prefer a GJ over anything, cause they are all metal. Some collectors prefer metal wings over preferences like we have.

Each collector picks models based on different views.

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tripoli

Honestly, when you convert the scale of a full size aircraft to a 400 scale model, something is 99.99% of the time not going to be perfect. The scaling of such a large object to a small object is extremely difficult to do.
And no matter how good of an eye people say they have here, with complex shapes, you just are not going to be able to properly judge a foot or less of difference in conversion of scale accurately.
I collect on another hobby board, a movie prop collectors site. As an example, they wanted to duplicate a lightsaber from a Star Wars movie. Fairly complex in shape but they had the DVD to do screen captures off of and it would be a one to one scaling. They had several members working on this for close to a year to get the piece as accurate as possible. And it was darn good. One member ended up getting a license to work with Lucas film to do licensed props replicas. He took the bootlegged members copy with him to compare and even with so much analysis, ( and it was incredible extensive with members just as picky as here ) they got several measurements off. I was with the design engineer on a couple of projects, unless you could see the piece in person, it just was not possible to say absolutely a perfect copy had been made from observation.
I learned from that point, unless you are working from the original, talked with the guys who engineered the original, or had detailed computer models, you just cannot eyeball a piece and determine if it is accurate or not. Certainly and especially with scaled models.
If you think you see a model that is good, buy it because you like it. Period. If you think its off, don't. But don't try to nitpick something to the point you are ruining it for someone else. Because honstly, chances are that 99.99% of the time that nitpicking is not going to hold water when it comes to the debate of scaling accuracy.

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TK-421

Very nicely put Jeff. You hit the nail right on the head.
You're a good man!
Trent

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TK-421

Look, this old arguement that plastic is better than metal has been done to death.
I don't know what some of you have against metal wings but if you don't like them, don't buy them!
TK

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Don Clipper Spirit

Are you addited to metal wings?

Read what I posted! You want metal, I don't care, that makes us both collectors of model airplanes.

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Iceman_c27

Just been doing a bit more research, I can see why there are so many variations of the nose as you can see here:





All it takes is looking at it at different angle and there is a huge difference in appearance! If you look at the first pic, then DW nailed it but if you look at the second pic, I would say Herpa got it pretty close! ;-)

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KenLan

well i you compare the same angles (or almost) they should look alike no ?

crownvic

My nose is always changing depending on how much stuff I pick out of it....

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Russ, you're the only one who ever makes any sense around here

sammyk

Can't the same be said to you in reverse? You seem to be (or have been) on a crusade against plastic but you are telling someone who doesn't mind plastic not to "bash" metal?

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