What a big disappointment from Gemini!!!

Mister400and72 · 12-22-2005, 01:47 PM

Hi Collectors!
I preordered the 777-200LR from Gemini. Can you all remember how great it was looking on GJ's webpage?! And now look at this!!! I will definitely send it back!!!
Merry Christmas to everybody here!
Michael

PH-LKK · 12-22-2005, 02:16 PM

Maybe I'm blind. But what's wrong with it? Looks fine to me. Is there something missing, misapplied or miscolored?

Mister400and72 · 12-22-2005, 02:24 PM

There are no airliner logos, no worldliner title, no reg. number- nothing!!! Dragon has been the specialist for such "naked" models (dozen of fantasy A380 for example...). Just compare with the official picture from the gemini homepage. Ok, the mold seems to be good, but that'a all!
Michael

B787Dreamliner · 12-22-2005, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister400and72

There are no airliner logos, no worldliner title, no reg. number- nothing!!! Dragon has been the specialist for such "naked" models (dozen of fantasy A380 for example...). Just compare with the official picture from the gemini homepage. Ok, the mold seems to be good, but that'a all!
Michael

Just pure speculation here, but I suspect it has to do with a couple of factors.

#1) Royalties...They way bone-headed legal and marketing departments are these days, I suspect that every airline who logo was represented that appeared on the aircraft would probably require a royalty, thereby driving the cost of the model up. Don't know how much GJ would have to pay each airline, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a buck a model. That could of driven the cost of the model way up.

#2) Boeing... if this was a Boeing sanctioned model, they might have dictated what was on the aircraft, such as tail numbers/worldliner title/reg nmbr, etc.

goldy · 12-22-2005, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister400and72

There are no airliner logos, no worldliner title, no reg. number- nothing!!! Dragon has been the specialist for such "naked" models (dozen of fantasy A380 for example...). Just compare with the official picture from the gemini homepage. Ok, the mold seems to be good, but that'a all!
Michael

I might be wrong but it seems to me that Boeing must first approve a licensed release. For whatever reason this then would be the version that they approved for production. Gemini Jets will know better the reason. My reason is one of presumption. Here is my photo of the 777. I think it looks great. I see the pair of these daily parked at BFI.
Goldy

aviatorisu · 12-22-2005, 06:54 PM

Classic case of someone opening their mouth WITHOUT knowing what is going on. GeminiJets is a licensee of Boeing, and therefore must comply with their requests/wishes/demands. Part of what they asked us to do on this model was to remove all of what you are saying. Why? Who knows...only them. You don't like it, complain to them as they were the ones that requested that stuff be removed...we had it there from the beginning. Personally, this is one of my favorite models as I did the design for the packaging.

~Z~

wildcatfootball · 12-22-2005, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister400and72

There are no airliner logos, no worldliner title, no reg. number- nothing!!! Dragon has been the specialist for such "naked" models (dozen of fantasy A380 for example...). Just compare with the official picture from the gemini homepage. Ok, the mold seems to be good, but that'a all!
Michael

Wow, I'm sure glad you don't jump to conclusion like some people on here...

JOHN JOHNSON · 12-22-2005, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviatorisu

Classic case of someone opening their mouth WITHOUT knowing what is going on. GeminiJets is a licensee of Boeing, and therefore must comply with their requests/wishes/demands. Part of what they asked us to do on this model was to remove all of what you are saying. Why? Who knows...only them. You don't like it, complain to them as they were the ones that requested that stuff be removed...we had it there from the beginning. Personally, this is one of my favorite models as I did the design for the packaging.
~Z~

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Gunship01 · 12-22-2005, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviatorisu

Classic case of someone opening their mouth WITHOUT knowing what is going on. GeminiJets is a licensee of Boeing, and therefore must comply with their requests/wishes/demands. Part of what they asked us to do on this model was to remove all of what you are saying. Why? Who knows...only them. You don't like it, complain to them as they were the ones that requested that stuff be removed...we had it there from the beginning. Personally, this is one of my favorite models as I did the design for the packaging.
~Z~

Mike,

The above message from Aviatorisu is known here in the States as a "Face Shot".

Tact goes a long way in the world of Diecast. Especially when the owners/operators of several companies are known to frequent and take part in discussions. I personally would have asked "The detail on the model isn't what I expected from some of the 1:1 pictures I've seen. Anyone know why?" The reply would have been more educational rather than what occurred.

Thanks for the reply GJ. I learned yet one more thing today.

Now to get that BAW017 that will complete my BA 747 set.

ykiki · 12-23-2005, 02:02 AM

Wow, I'm surprised that the red "window" didn't make it to the final version either. In any case, for those who have seen both, is it better to get the DW or GJ version of this plane?

Sven Nikolaus · 12-23-2005, 05:43 AM

Gemini Jets are doing an excellent job - especially this year's releases have been gorgeous. However, the 777-200 LR without reg, red window, logos etc is not anymore interesting for me - I pass.

ELY707 · 12-23-2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviatorisu

Classic case of someone opening their mouth WITHOUT knowing what is going on. GeminiJets is a licensee of Boeing, and therefore must comply with their requests/wishes/demands. Part of what they asked us to do on this model was to remove all of what you are saying. Why? Who knows...only them. You don't like it, complain to them as they were the ones that requested that stuff be removed...we had it there from the beginning. Personally, this is one of my favorite models as I did the design for the packaging.
~Z~

Zach, I understand exactly what you mean. Was this an exclusive release for Boeing to it's employees only? If not, why didn't Gemini just scrap this release and stick to your high standards of detail that we collectors are used to from you?

presidential · 12-23-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ELY707

Zach, I understand exactly what you mean. Was this an exclusive release for Boeing to it's employees only? If not, why didn't Gemini just scrap this release and stick to your high standards of detail that we collectors are used to from you?

I am not seeing how the "High Quality Standard" of this release is compromised by the lack of a few logos ..

I for one have this on order and can't wait to get it.

aviatorisu · 12-23-2005, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven Nikolaus

Gemini Jets are doing an excellent job - especially this year's releases have been gorgeous. However, the 777-200 LR without reg, red window, logos etc is not anymore interesting for me - I pass.

Now see? THIS is an outstanding form of constructive criticism...I respond much better to statements like this.

Sven, I understand. It's your money, and you should use it to make yourself happy. Hopefully we'll have something else out this coming year that will be more to your liking.

~Z~

aviatorisu · 12-23-2005, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELY707

Zach, I understand exactly what you mean. Was this an exclusive release for Boeing to it's employees only? If not, why didn't Gemini just scrap this release and stick to your high standards of detail that we collectors are used to from you?

It was not an exclusive release for them. Boeing lately has just asked for certain things from its "licensees" concerning anything pertaining to the Dreamliner livery. We done our best to comply with their wishes. We have done very well with the model so far, and are working on an order with Boeing themselves.

~Z~

goldy · 12-23-2005, 11:46 AM

My inventory of these has nearly reached a sell out status. I don't expect to get any of them back. I have said it elsewhere. For the distance that I view these twin 777s on a daily basis I cannot see those logos that you all are concerned about anyway. This model appears exactly as I see the real ones.

Goldy

USAirways85 · 12-23-2005, 01:30 PM

Just a comment, maybe GJ should retake the picture of the model that is displayed on the website so that it depicts the one you will actually get as opposed to the sample.

I know it may sound like people are making a big deal over some little details, but it would be better to display the correct model and then let them decide whether they still want to buy the model. Currently people expect to get the model that is depicted on the website and when they don't, yes some may be upset with the absence of those little details and some might just over look it. I know the website warns that the pictures are just samples and may change but it seems that to some people the changes between sample and actual are a little more than you'd expect.

Anyway just my thoughts, take them as you wish

Keep up the good work GJ, bring us some more RJ's!!!

Big Al · 12-23-2005, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven Nikolaus

Gemini Jets are doing an excellent job - especially this year's releases have been gorgeous. However, the 777-200 LR without reg, red window, logos etc is not anymore interesting for me - I pass.

I tend to agree, I got rid of my generic A380 prototype for the one with logo's and reg etc...

Was looking forward to getting this 777 but I think I too will put my money into another release instead. Boo hiss Boeing !!!

Mister400and72 · 12-23-2005, 02:36 PM

USAirways85,
you say what I feel! I never wanted to be cruel or hurt somebody here! I do not preorder models very often, but that time I did because I was so sure to get what I have seen. I preordered because I expected the quality of a good gemini model, which costs me about 40$ here in Germany! Don't forget. Because of that I am so dissapointed about the result!!! And be honest: the sample pics are 99% of what we get later. I don't make a big deal of when little details are not so correct. I have seen other discussions in this or another forum where someone was upset because of the wrong thai title on the roll out version of the A380!!! You can't see it without using a lens. But here we are talking about a whole bunch of things that are missing. And I wonder why all the licensed things are shown on Z's beautiful designed package??? Does this make a sense???
Michael

Hapag-Lloyd · 12-23-2005, 02:44 PM

Which is why I don´t buy GJ any more.

navimik · 12-23-2005, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USAirways85

Just a comment, maybe GJ should retake the picture of the model that is displayed on the website so that it depicts the one you will actually get as opposed to the sample.
I know it may sound like people are making a big deal over some little details, but it would be better to display the correct model and then let them decide whether they still want to buy the model.

agreed, then i would've been able to avoid all the hassle of trying to get rid of that god-awful delta widget 757 and usair 737(luckily didnt get sucked in by the piedmont 767)

TK-421 · 12-23-2005, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviatorisu

Now see? THIS is an outstanding form of constructive criticism...I respond much better to statements like this.
Sven, I understand. It's your money, and you should use it to make yourself happy. Hopefully we'll have something else out this coming year that will be more to your liking.
~Z~

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviatorisu

We have done very well with the model so far, and are working on an order with Boeing themselves.
~Z~

To read what Zach has written here, I'll assume Gemini hasn't given up on the version they originally intended to have produced for us.

You guys at Gemini have had a stella year and again, if I'm reading your signals correctly, you guys also want this baby with all the details as badly as we do.

Providing of course my assumption is correct, that's great to read and I hope your negotiations prove successful.
It would be a fine feather in your cap if you could pull this one off.
Trent

Blue Skies Ahead · 12-23-2005, 06:37 PM

I could be completley wrong since I don't normally collect 1/400 scale models anymore but the B777-200LR that Aviation Center Berlin shows appears to me that it is a Dragon Wings model.

The gear looks Dragon Wing like and the tail looks plastic.

Sorry if I am very wrong.

Sven Nikolaus · 12-24-2005, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

Which is why I don´t buy GJ any more.

Are you serious, Tom? I mean your statement looks to me a bit like an overreaction

. I hope during the festive season you will be in a better mood.
Merry Christmas to everybody!

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12-22-2005, 01:47 PM	#1
Mister400and72 Collector Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Aschaffenburg, Germany Posts: 55	What a big disappointment from Gemini!!! Hi Collectors! I preordered the 777-200LR from Gemini. Can you all remember how great it was looking on GJ's webpage?! And now look at this!!! I will definitely send it back!!! Merry Christmas to everybody here! Michael

12-22-2005, 02:16 PM	#2
PH-LKK Centaurus Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 41 Posts: 574	Maybe I'm blind. But what's wrong with it? Looks fine to me. Is there something missing, misapplied or miscolored? __________________ "I know you believe you understand what it is you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what I said is not what I meant." - RMN My Collection · My Wish List · My "Dream" List Models for Sale or Trade

12-22-2005, 02:24 PM	#3
Mister400and72 Collector Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Aschaffenburg, Germany Posts: 55	There are no airliner logos, no worldliner title, no reg. number- nothing!!! Dragon has been the specialist for such "naked" models (dozen of fantasy A380 for example...). Just compare with the official picture from the gemini homepage. Ok, the mold seems to be good, but that'a all! Michael

12-22-2005, 06:54 PM	#6
aviatorisu Cunning Linguist Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 31 Posts: 1,301	Classic case of someone opening their mouth WITHOUT knowing what is going on. GeminiJets is a licensee of Boeing, and therefore must comply with their requests/wishes/demands. Part of what they asked us to do on this model was to remove all of what you are saying. Why? Who knows...only them. You don't like it, complain to them as they were the ones that requested that stuff be removed...we had it there from the beginning. Personally, this is one of my favorite models as I did the design for the packaging. ~Z~

12-23-2005, 02:02 AM	#10
ykiki Senior Collector Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle Age: 42 Posts: 188	Wow, I'm surprised that the red "window" didn't make it to the final version either. In any case, for those who have seen both, is it better to get the DW or GJ version of this plane?

12-23-2005, 05:43 AM	#11
Sven Nikolaus Senior Collector Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Berlin / Germany Age: 46 Posts: 406	Gemini Jets are doing an excellent job - especially this year's releases have been gorgeous. However, the 777-200 LR without reg, red window, logos etc is not anymore interesting for me - I pass.

12-23-2005, 11:46 AM	#16
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,717	My inventory of these has nearly reached a sell out status. I don't expect to get any of them back. I have said it elsewhere. For the distance that I view these twin 777s on a daily basis I cannot see those logos that you all are concerned about anyway. This model appears exactly as I see the real ones. Goldy

12-23-2005, 01:30 PM	#17
USAirways85 Master Collector Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 643	Just a comment, maybe GJ should retake the picture of the model that is displayed on the website so that it depicts the one you will actually get as opposed to the sample. I know it may sound like people are making a big deal over some little details, but it would be better to display the correct model and then let them decide whether they still want to buy the model. Currently people expect to get the model that is depicted on the website and when they don't, yes some may be upset with the absence of those little details and some might just over look it. I know the website warns that the pictures are just samples and may change but it seems that to some people the changes between sample and actual are a little more than you'd expect. Anyway just my thoughts, take them as you wish Keep up the good work GJ, bring us some more RJ's!!!

12-23-2005, 02:36 PM	#19
Mister400and72 Collector Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Aschaffenburg, Germany Posts: 55	USAirways85, you say what I feel! I never wanted to be cruel or hurt somebody here! I do not preorder models very often, but that time I did because I was so sure to get what I have seen. I preordered because I expected the quality of a good gemini model, which costs me about 40$ here in Germany! Don't forget. Because of that I am so dissapointed about the result!!! And be honest: the sample pics are 99% of what we get later. I don't make a big deal of when little details are not so correct. I have seen other discussions in this or another forum where someone was upset because of the wrong thai title on the roll out version of the A380!!! You can't see it without using a lens. But here we are talking about a whole bunch of things that are missing. And I wonder why all the licensed things are shown on Z's beautiful designed package??? Does this make a sense??? Michael

12-24-2005, 01:55 AM	#25
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