Big Withdraw

Don Clipper Spirit · 12-19-2005, 09:21 PM

I heard the rumour, but is it really true that Big Bird is leaving?

JOHN JOHNSON · 12-19-2005, 09:32 PM

BB owner or foundation or whatseover had a feud with loan sharks or loan shark demand $$$ that BB was behind? or whatsoever???

Someone with a White Nut (Ala Dr. Evil)

had to take over for little while.......

Guess it is time to put BB to a sleeping resting bed forever?

Rumors.... There is a new owner call Dr. EvilNutter is taking over. Brand? Unknown!

TWALOVER · 12-19-2005, 09:35 PM

BB will be missed.

Flying Ace · 12-19-2005, 10:02 PM

For those collectors who may feel they may never see the Big Bird moulds used again, I say don't despair and offer this quote from the Borg:

"Lower your shields and surrender your vessel. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.

Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

goldy · 12-19-2005, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOHN JOHNSON

BB owner or foundation or whatseover had a feud with loan sharks or loan shark demand $$$ that BB was behind? or whatsoever???
Someone with a White Nut (Ala Dr. Evil)

had to take over for little while.......
Guess it is time to put BB to a sleeping resting bed forever?
Rumors.... There is a new owner call Dr. EvilNutter is taking over. Brand? Unknown!

It's not true is it? I doubt that less than penny has been borrowed to fund BBs operations. If anything it would be the other way around. The sharks owing BB that is.

Goldy

MDWTWA · 12-19-2005, 10:30 PM

Well, I will certainly miss them.

After all, and despite the flaws noted by others, it was Big Bird that finally supplied the TWA Twin-stripe 747s and 763s, as well as the Zoom 763. I have no complaints against Kermit...

...except for one.

If he's out of the biz, who will eventually make the LOT 763 I am still wishing for???

ba777-236 · 12-19-2005, 11:04 PM

Tis true.. Bigbird as we all know it is now gone.

But not to worry, their moulds will still be in use.

Besides, where can we find a better made 747 in this scale?

L-1011-Heavy · 12-19-2005, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ba777-236

Tis true.. Bigbird as we all know it is now gone.
But not to worry, their moulds will still be in use.
Besides, where can we find a better made 747 in this scale?

Despite The Duds & Even Though The Moulds Will Still Be In Use, I'm Sad To See The "Big Bird""Your 400 Craftsman" Name Disappear.
Probably The Best Name & Sloagan In Any Scale!

aklein707 · 12-19-2005, 11:53 PM

The name may still live on with those counterfeit/knock-off BigTurds which recently appeared; at least we all know to AVOID any future so-called Big Bird Models!

goldy · 12-20-2005, 12:06 AM

Pig Turd It's Crapman 400. I've not seen any of their models yet. Mostly sold in China?

Goldy

cpal_747 · 12-20-2005, 03:58 AM

Like any of the rogue manufacturers Big Bird had to go. Rather than thanking their customers for buying their products, they openly attack them instead. With that kind of business practice, they wouldn't have been around much anyway. Maybe whoever takes over the moulds will at least know how to spell and not be colour blind!

continental · 12-20-2005, 04:05 AM

BB, thanks for the CO 747s! I picked-up all four!

Dr Evil · 12-20-2005, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cpal_747

Like any of the rogue manufacturers Big Bird had to go. Rather than thanking their customers for buying their products, they openly attack them instead. With that kind of business practice, they wouldn't have been around much anyway. Maybe whoever takes over the moulds will at least know how to spell and not be colour blind!

What do you mean "openly attack them"? What happened?

And what a great Chirstmas gift that BB will go!!! Finally we get rid of all the models with stupid mistakes!!!

PARTY TIME!

Dr Evil · 12-20-2005, 07:57 AM

LOT 737-300 · 12-20-2005, 03:45 PM

Hey, I don't know if any of you are familiar with the 1:500 scale world, but do any of you remember C&C? They were said to be the old identity of Big Bird. Maybe they are having a name change.
Oh... I see, its that big bird who is going away, ok.

condorfreak86 · 12-20-2005, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

I printed this and put it in my little bro's bedroom..... he goes whats that???

BIG BIRD IS LOSING HIS HEAD!!!!!! ALL MY BB"S ARE UP FOR TRADE!!!! except the UPS, Eva AIr and the RUskie Il-76's..... lol

cpal_747 · 12-20-2005, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Evil

What do you mean "openly attack them"? What happened?
And what a great Chirstmas gift that BB will go!!! Finally we get rid of all the models with stupid mistakes!!!
PARTY TIME!

People were complaining about the off colors on the Censor forum, and then the principle behind Big Bird went off and started whining that people were pointing out errors in his products. Of course, those threads are gone, as well as apparently the whole Big Bird section. They don't just delete selected posts, they delete whole sections over there. The Furniture salesman must have gone crazy on the delete button!

Dr Evil · 12-20-2005, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpal_747

People were complaining about the off colors on the Censor forum, and then the principle behind Big Bird went off and started whining that people were pointing out errors in his products. Of course, those threads are gone, as well as apparently the whole Big Bird section. They don't just delete selected posts, they delete whole sections over there. The Furniture salesman must have gone crazy on the delete button!

The sofaboy must have been so upset because BB is leaving his 400 Censor Hangar that he instantly deleted Kermits account.

And my sincere congratulations towards sofaboy, you have outdone yourself by deleting an entire section!!! Now go for the next round and delete the Censor Hangar!

goldy · 12-20-2005, 10:38 PM

I don't know what it is that you lads have against sofas? I have had some of the best times in my life on a sofa. If it were not for furniture we would have to sit on the floor. Your models would not have a display case. Furniture is more important than models are. it were not for fellows like Todd you guys would not have a bed to sleep in, or some place to wax your dolphin. How would you like to sleep on the floor tonight?

What do each of you do for a living? No job at the moment you say? Going to college? Mailman? School Teacher? Goat blower?

Goldy

Arctic Wings · 12-20-2005, 11:33 PM

Here in the UK I am hearing that there may have been a legal tussle over the ownership of the Big Bird name.

My guess is that a former Big Bird employee, Johnny Lo, who was outed may have succeeded in his claim that he alone owned the trade name Big Bird. Anyway, the mold Johnny Lo has appears at close inspection to be indistinguisable to the real Big Bird. Now they will be marketed as Big Bird and perhaps Andrew Klein will sell under another name. I am sure he will still sell as briskly regardless of brand.

Bottom line for us collectors is that competition is good! I do not care who makes these and make my selection on the basis of subject matter and quality.

It seems that licensing is really not an issue anymore. Every producer places some or all in clandestine boxes. Am I right in this presumption?

goldy · 12-21-2005, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arctic Wings

Here in the UK I am hearing that there may have been a legal tussle over the ownership of the Big Bird name.
My guess is that a former Big Bird employee, Johnny Lo, who was outed may have succeeded in his claim that he alone owned the trade name Big Bird. Anyway, the mold Johnny Lo has appears at close inspection to be indistinguisable to the real Big Bird. Now they will be marketed as Big Bird and perhaps Andrew Klein will sell under another name. I am sure he will still sell as briskly regardless of brand.
Bottom line for us collectors is that competition is good! I do not care who makes these and make my selection on the basis of subject matter and quality.
It seems that licensing is really not an issue anymore. Every producer places some or all in clandestine boxes. Am I right in this presumption?

Presumption. Let me ask you this. We are referring to China remember. So how could there possibably be any sort of "legal tussle"? A legal tussle, in China? Land of the knockoff. A place where a dork can by a bogus Rolex and Rolex, a huge company with more clout than even jonny Lo has, can do nothing about it? An yet, Johnny Lo, can bring legal action against an owner of a name, such as Big Bird. Your presumption does not hold dimsum.

The mould. Could someone have stolen the mould from Big Bird? On close inspection it appears to be the same. If I had stolen your car...on close inspection would it look like your car when you finally did recover it?

Competition is good. It is good for us all. Presumption and hearsay is not good.

Andrew Klein seems to be doing well and fine with his AeroClassics brand. His Boeing models carry the blessing of the Boeing legal department. If you want to throw around the term "legal" then there is a lega for you. Do any of those Blue Box, Big Bird, or any other BB brand coming out of Hong Kong carry with them this blessing from the Boeing company? Licensing is a huge issue, anymore. That is if you are the one who is in fact licenseless.

Goldy

davesoda · 12-21-2005, 12:07 AM

OK BB's moulds were great period! Their model selections were great period!

But their lack of QA and not producing models with the correct names and colours have lead to their demise.

Im glad thier moulds will go on, but im glad that a manufactuer who cant get it right shouldnt be in the game!!

waiping · 12-21-2005, 12:18 AM

Are Johnny Lo, Brinkley Chan and Kermit Chinese? I believe most models are produce in China anyway.

LOT 737-300 · 12-21-2005, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waiping

Are Johnny Lo, Brinkley Chan and Kermit Chinese? I believe most models are produce in China anyway.

I don't know about those three people you have mentioned. But I know that all those models are made in China.

goldy · 12-21-2005, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waiping

Are Johnny Lo, Brinkley Chan and Kermit Chinese? I believe most models are produce in China anyway.

The Chinese mafia. Except for Brinkley. That guy is a prince. Do you not know of his famous website? We lost two Chans this year...Brinkley and Charles "Kermit" Chan.

No Wongs lost. Remember, two Wongs don't make a Wright.

Goldy

Dr Evil · 12-21-2005, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldy

I don't know what it is that you lads have against sofas? I have had some of the best times in my life on a sofa. If it were not for furniture we would have to sit on the floor. Your models would not have a display case. Furniture is more important than models are. it were not for fellows like Todd you guys would not have a bed to sleep in, or some place to wax your dolphin. How would you like to sleep on the floor tonight?
What do each of you do for a living? No job at the moment you say? Going to college? Mailman? School Teacher? Goat blower?
Goldy

Congratulations, you have also outdone yourself with that slimy post. Man you must be really deep into her.

waiping · 12-21-2005, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldy

The Chinese mafia. Except for Brinkley. That guy is a prince. Do you not know of his famous website? We lost two Chans this year...Brinkley and Charles "Kermit" Chan.
No Wongs lost. Remember, two Wongs don't make a Wright.
Goldy

I know Brinkley's website is nothing to be missed if you are serious about the hobby, eventhough he has scaled down a bit now. Anyway, I thought I highlight a few Chinese in this game after all the "not-so-positive" comments about the Chinese policy and stuff like that. The manufacturer should have known and accepted the r

12-19-2005, 09:21 PM	#1
Don Clipper Spirit Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: At the airport of Amsterdam Posts: 1,132	Big Withdraw I heard the rumour, but is it really true that Big Bird is leaving? __________________ Pan American World Airways - the world's most experienced airline

12-19-2005, 09:32 PM	#2
JOHN JOHNSON Mysterious Collector Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,196	Confusing as hell! BB owner or foundation or whatseover had a feud with loan sharks or loan shark demand $$$ that BB was behind? or whatsoever??? Someone with a White Nut (Ala Dr. Evil) had to take over for little while....... Guess it is time to put BB to a sleeping resting bed forever? Rumors.... There is a new owner call Dr. EvilNutter is taking over. Brand? Unknown! __________________ Who should I consider? Dumbocrat Clinton or Ruptublican Johnny Mc Cain? Jimmy Mc Donald Help me!

12-19-2005, 10:30 PM	#6
MDWTWA Compulsive Collector Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Second City Posts: 770	Well, I will certainly miss them. After all, and despite the flaws noted by others, it was Big Bird that finally supplied the TWA Twin-stripe 747s and 763s, as well as the Zoom 763. I have no complaints against Kermit... ...except for one. If he's out of the biz, who will eventually make the LOT 763 I am still wishing for??? __________________ TWA - Find Out How Good We Really Were... Hey guys, how about some Braniff Ultras??!! And let's finish the TWA set... TWA Final scheme 757 and both MD-80 schemes!!!

12-19-2005, 11:04 PM	#7
ba777-236 400SH Co-Owner Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: About a 40 minute drive from Toronto, Canada Posts: 5,574	Tis true.. Bigbird as we all know it is now gone. But not to worry, their moulds will still be in use. Besides, where can we find a better made 747 in this scale? __________________ Faheem Ahmed 400 Scale Hangar Maintained Websites

12-19-2005, 11:53 PM	#9
aklein707 Former DAC member Join Date: Jul 1999 Posts: 3,654	The name may still live on with those counterfeit/knock-off BigTurds which recently appeared; at least we all know to AVOID any future so-called Big Bird Models! __________________ Enjoying aviation from a "TSA-free Zone"!! Take the money-grab & deceit out of our hobby, and bring back ethics and quality!! Just say NO to BluBucks/Nutz Models/JC Models/Junk-X/First Choice/C&C/IF400/AV400/Magic/Blue Angle/5stars & any BigBirds (real or fake)

12-19-2005, 09:35 PM	#3
TWALOVER space cadet Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 721	BB will be missed.

12-19-2005, 10:02 PM	#4
Flying Ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,150	For those collectors who may feel they may never see the Big Bird moulds used again, I say don't despair and offer this quote from the Borg: "Lower your shields and surrender your vessel. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

12-20-2005, 12:06 AM	#10
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,717	Pig Turd It's Crapman 400. I've not seen any of their models yet. Mostly sold in China? Goldy

12-20-2005, 03:58 AM	#11
cpal_747 Mission Accomplished! Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 751	Like any of the rogue manufacturers Big Bird had to go. Rather than thanking their customers for buying their products, they openly attack them instead. With that kind of business practice, they wouldn't have been around much anyway. Maybe whoever takes over the moulds will at least know how to spell and not be colour blind! __________________ They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. - Ben Franklin

12-20-2005, 04:05 AM	#12
continental I am come from Texas. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: I might keep suffering all my life Posts: 1,910	BB, thanks for the CO 747s! I picked-up all four! __________________ Continental Apply suction to the object of your choice, n00bs.

12-20-2005, 07:57 AM	#14
Dr Evil Where's my "avatar"? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dr. Evil's secret lair Posts: 526	__________________ "I'm surrounded by freakin' idiots..."

12-20-2005, 03:45 PM	#15
LOT 737-300 Clipper Tom Servo Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Somewhere near MCO. Age: 20 Posts: 1,368	Hey, I don't know if any of you are familiar with the 1:500 scale world, but do any of you remember C&C? They were said to be the old identity of Big Bird. Maybe they are having a name change. Oh... I see, its that big bird who is going away, ok. __________________

12-20-2005, 10:38 PM	#19
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,717	I don't know what it is that you lads have against sofas? I have had some of the best times in my life on a sofa. If it were not for furniture we would have to sit on the floor. Your models would not have a display case. Furniture is more important than models are. it were not for fellows like Todd you guys would not have a bed to sleep in, or some place to wax your dolphin. How would you like to sleep on the floor tonight? What do each of you do for a living? No job at the moment you say? Going to college? Mailman? School Teacher? Goat blower? Goldy

12-20-2005, 11:33 PM	#20
Arctic Wings Junior Collector Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 21	Did Andrew lose out? Here in the UK I am hearing that there may have been a legal tussle over the ownership of the Big Bird name. My guess is that a former Big Bird employee, Johnny Lo, who was outed may have succeeded in his claim that he alone owned the trade name Big Bird. Anyway, the mold Johnny Lo has appears at close inspection to be indistinguisable to the real Big Bird. Now they will be marketed as Big Bird and perhaps Andrew Klein will sell under another name. I am sure he will still sell as briskly regardless of brand. Bottom line for us collectors is that competition is good! I do not care who makes these and make my selection on the basis of subject matter and quality. It seems that licensing is really not an issue anymore. Every producer places some or all in clandestine boxes. Am I right in this presumption?

12-21-2005, 12:07 AM	#22
davesoda True Blue Aussie Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Some where in Australia Age: 26 Posts: 173	OK BB's moulds were great period! Their model selections were great period! But their lack of QA and not producing models with the correct names and colours have lead to their demise. Im glad thier moulds will go on, but im glad that a manufactuer who cant get it right shouldnt be in the game!! __________________ Cheers for now, Dave

12-21-2005, 12:18 AM	#23
waiping Unlicensed Collector Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,364	Are Johnny Lo, Brinkley Chan and Kermit Chinese? I believe most models are produce in China anyway.