Which Models Are Rare in the 1:400??

Napoleon1072 · 10-01-2005, 09:43 PM

Hello, im new to the whole 1:400 i've just switched over from the 1:500 and would like to know what rare models exist in this scale and also I have a second question. Which makers have the better moulds?

My 1:400 so far is

JetBlue A320 Blue Yorker and I've Got Blue Babe
Independence Air A319
Air Liberte DC10
British Airways B777 Hong Kong

They're all Gemini Jets and I like the moulds

reminds of me Starjets

ehall24747 · 10-01-2005, 10:01 PM

Hi, Those gemini's are all good moulds. The 747 is the worst. Big Bird and Dragon have the best 747 mould. There are alot of rare models out there. They are tough to get.

goldy · 10-01-2005, 10:13 PM

There are so many rare models. it might be hard to list them. You might go to Brinkley's site and look at the release numbers. I would suggest that anything produced in numbers less than 120 might be considered rare. someone else may have a different idea.

For staters...AeroClassics first generation models. Most of them were less than 120 made and they are hard to find. Also AeroClassics Aer Lingus 767 St. Ibar (96 pieces), Aeroflot Tu-154 with Soviet flag and Olympic titles both are new generation. Most of the 400 Hangar Club models are hard to find. TCA L-1049 was difficult for me to find but I found one last week. All of the 400 SH models are 120, according to the enclosed card.

A lot of the Big Bird 747s are harder to find as well. Many of them are made in numbers of less than 120. The Big Bird America West 747 seems to command some nice dollars. The rarest BB might be the Pan Am Clipper Moscow Express (the one without the "p") 90 only made. There are only 6 Clipper Moscow Express with the "p". The list goes on, these are but a few.

Goldy

irishque · 10-01-2005, 11:02 PM

Try finding Aeroclassics Royal Brunei 767?it's almost non-existence!!By the way,BA 777 "hong Kong"s available in my country and nobody wants it,so its not rare in this part of the world he he

Flying Ace · 10-01-2005, 11:02 PM

Which is why some collectors don't support the Aeroclassics and Big Bird lines, frankly. When you get right down to it, the 400 Scale Hangar Club models are intended for an exclusive clique of collectors, if you will, where by only a select few are only admitted to membership of "THE CLUB."

because "THE CLUB"

is full...harken back to the days when I was 8 years old and could not play in the kid's down the street tree house because you had to be a member of "THE CLUB..." GOOD FuCKING GRIEF!

So here we have "THE CLUB" led by PAPA JOHN KLEIN (behind Aeroclassics, Big Birdy, and Soveriegn) wonderboy, also known as young inexperienced one trying to force the issue with producing models to a select few collectors with the hope that they will become these sought after jewels.

I don't know if this is pathetic or watching collectors groveling after these.

I personally respect the likes of Gemini, who happened to produce a 250th scale prototype that shows every potential to become rare and sought after one day and made it available to any collector who was astute enough to go after it and get one. I respect the likes of companies like Bader models and Inflight LE, who may limit production, but do not discriminate or exclude collectors from buying their models...for the workmanship on these models surely have set a high standard and that will be cherished for years to come.

I certainly admire the model makers of the past like Aero Mini, that have let the natural course of events determine what models become the star pieces and their passion for modeling do the talking for themselves.

And of course, it's always fun to watch "THE CLUB" continue in their fantasia.

DavidMich · 10-01-2005, 11:28 PM

Any of the 1st round Gemini models are worth more than when they first came out 6 years ago, not counting ebay. The Gemini club models are usually 500 pieces (Seaboard 742F, 700 pieces) A GJ Braniff 741 club model recently fetched $600, I sold one of mine 5 years ago for $350. The last show I attended was the 2004 BOS show, I saw a Gemini Pan Am 741 "Clipper Juan Trippe", a Pan Am 747SP, Braniff 747SP, Royal Air Force L-1011-500, and Delta L-1011-250 all with price tags over $100.

Napoleon1072 · 10-01-2005, 11:35 PM

wow $650 thats insane is the 1:400 scale the reason 1:500 scale is pretty much dieing?? Why aren't there to many things out for airports in this scale? will there ever be

Napoleon1072 · 10-01-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by irishque

Try finding Aeroclassics Royal Brunei 767?it's almost non-existence!!By the way,BA 777 "hong Kong"s available in my country and nobody wants it,so its not rare in this part of the world he he

I wouldn't think its rare I bought it from a retailer for $16.00 dollars a few days ago

jjorgemiami · 10-02-2005, 12:32 AM

The Geminijet Seaboard World B747 is quite rare as well, and the Dragon Pan Am L1011s, the Geminijet Pan Am Juan Tripe B747 and also the B747SP. Also the Tucano Swissair DC-10 for Buchair.

DavidMich · 10-02-2005, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jjorgemiami

Geminijet Pan Am Juan Tripe B747 and also the B747SP.

I snagged a GJ Pan Am 747SP off ebay 2 months ago, with shipping for $45.

jjorgemiami · 10-02-2005, 12:37 AM

Not bad!!!

richie154 · 10-02-2005, 12:48 AM

I personally don't believe that many "rare" models are indeed rare. You can find a lot of "rare" models at various diecast conventions.

irishque · 10-02-2005, 01:00 AM

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I wouldn't think its rare I bought it from a retailer for $16.00 dollars a few days ago

we are not talking about the only one you saw in tour lifetime right?

if not tell me where did you get it,im dying to have one

tdh8192 · 10-02-2005, 01:32 AM

The only models one could consider "rare" in this hobby are samples that never make it into production; GJ's Nalanji Dreaming B743 is a good example - there are maybe six in the entire world?

The term "rare" when applied to a 1:400 diecast model is nothing more than a technique used by sellers to separate a potential buyer from his money. Of course, there are models worth more than others but only because we collectors are willing to pay more for them.

Don't believe me? Pick the "rare" and sold-out model of your choice, offer $500US for it and you'll have dozens of people falling all over themselves trying sell you theirs.

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-02-2005, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Which is why some collectors don't support the Aeroclassics and Big Bird lines, frankly. When you get right down to it, the 400 Scale Hangar Club models are intended for an exclusive clique of collectors, if you will, where by only a select few are only admitted to membership of "THE CLUB.

The club was open to anyone who wished to join and after several months when spots opened up, anyone was allowed to join again....
The models in question were already being produced and used by others in only 120 quantities so nothing is different except the club. In fact, there have been many releases we passed on and others (retailers) took the 120 release and sold them exclusively.

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So here we have "THE CLUB" led by PAPA JOHN KLEIN (behind Aeroclassics, Big Birdy, and Soveriegn) wonderboy,

Why thank you, I have never been called a 'wonderboy' before, although Papa Klein, nor anyone else tells me how to run the club or forum....

400 Scale Hangar club is no more or less exclusive than the Jet-X club, they have a limited amount of members and when slots open, they like us add members..

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-02-2005, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

...harken back to the days when I was 8 years old and could not play in the kid's down the street tree house because you had to be a member of "THE CLUB..." GOOD ****ING GRIEF!

You sound like you're still 8 years old

modelmanGB · 10-02-2005, 06:10 AM

Big Bird BA 747 World Images India tail might be hard to get hold of. Very few managed to reach the UK

ehall24747 · 10-02-2005, 08:22 AM

How about the gemini BA 747 Hong Kong. I bought the model when it came out for $20. Now it goes for between $100-$200.

goldy · 10-02-2005, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehall24747

How about the gemini BA 747 Hong Kong. I bought the model when it came out for $20. Now it goes for between $100-$200.

There are two versions. One of the two versions was issued with a card. The card version holds a higher value with collectors than the non card version does yet both are relatively easy to find. I recently sold a card version for under $100.00. I have two or three others remaining in my collection. I don't think the value of the model is indicitive of its scarceness.

You are talking about two different topics here. Value and scarcity. For example, i purchased an AeroClassics Aeroflot Tu154 with Olympic titles last month, it is a somewhat hard to find model, for close to the same price that I sold a Big Bird Columbia 747 for. The Columbia is very easy to find at the moment. There does not seem to be much relationship between scarcity and value when it comes to some models.

Goldy

Canamwing · 10-03-2005, 12:17 AM

What about the white box Dragon Air A-330?

goldy · 10-03-2005, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Heteny

What about the white box Dragon Air A-330?

The Dragon Wings Kai Tak ?

I was watching the auctions on ebay, I had bid on them both. An Aeroflot Tu 154 Olympic ($183.00) and a Pan Am Grace DC-6 ($201.00) both AeroClassics (should tell you something about AC). Those were consistant prices as I have purchased this models several times before for less but not too much less.

Goldy

L-1011-Heavy · 10-03-2005, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Which is why some collectors don't support the Aeroclassics and Big Bird lines, frankly. When you get right down to it, the 400 Scale Hangar Club models are intended for an exclusive clique of collectors, if you will, where by only a select few are only admitted to membership of "THE CLUB."

because "THE CLUB"

is full...harken back to the days when I was 8 years old and could not play in the kid's down the street tree house because you had to be a member of "THE CLUB..." GOOD ****ING GRIEF!

So here we have "THE CLUB" led by PAPA JOHN KLEIN (behind Aeroclassics, Big Birdy, and Soveriegn) wonderboy, also known as young inexperienced one trying to force the issue with producing models to a select few collectors with the hope that they will become these sought after jewels.

I don't know if this is pathetic or watching collectors groveling after these.

I personally respect the likes of Gemini, who happened to produce a 250th scale prototype that shows every potential to become rare and sought after one day and made it available to any collector who was astute enough to go after it and get one. I respect the likes of companies like Bader models and Inflight LE, who may limit production, but do not discriminate or exclude collectors from buying their models...for the workmanship on these models surely have set a high standard and that will be cherished for years to come.

I certainly admire the model makers of the past like Aero Mini, that have let the natural course of events determine what models become the star pieces and their passion for modeling do the talking for themselves.

And of course, it's always fun to watch "THE CLUB" continue in their fantasia.

I Don't Know What Kind Of Glue You've Been Sniffing, But I JUST Recently Got Membership From 400SH. To My Knowledge There's No "Clique"Matter Of Fact, Recently I Saw Several DAC Members That Got Membership Within Days of Signing On 400SH.

Even YOU Can Get Membership. All You Have To Do Is Simply Ask, Then Wait For A Member To Cancel Membership. (Believe Me It Happens)

Flying Ace · 10-03-2005, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

You sound like you're still 8 years old

You're a real funny guy...

Flying Ace · 10-03-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

I Don't Know What Kind Of Glue You've Been Sniffing, But I JUST Recently Got Membership From 400SH. To My Knowledge There's No "Clique"Matter Of Fact, Recently I Saw Several DAC Members That Got Membership Within Days of Signing On 400SH.

Even YOU Can Get Membership. All You Have To Do Is Simply Ask, Then Wait For A Member To Cancel Membership. (Believe Me It Happens)

While I suppose it would be a feather for some, I am not inclined to be waiting around to join some silly club just so I could buy some model. The opposite here would be the gemini club...they offer exlcusives to members, who decide if a collector wants to join or not. So if I wanted an exlcusive model, a simple sign up is available sort of like an extra fee for the exclusive release. None of this waiting around.

Something like that, at least for me, is more appealing...but then again I don't join country clubs which don't allow people who practice certain religions or are of color. Despite my successes in life, I still remain fairly grounded, despite the fact I see plenty of exclusive clubs out there, not just those airplane collecting. I just do feel I should not have to jump through hoops to buy a model, play a game of tennis....etc.

Like I said before, there is alot of crap in life, and these clubs choose to have their rules, it is not worthwhile for me to deal with that. I am not that kind of person, I guess.

10-01-2005, 09:43 PM	#1
Napoleon1072 Posted On the Block Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 22 Posts: 62	Which Models Are Rare in the 1:400?? Hello, im new to the whole 1:400 i've just switched over from the 1:500 and would like to know what rare models exist in this scale and also I have a second question. Which makers have the better moulds? My 1:400 so far is JetBlue A320 Blue Yorker and I've Got Blue Babe Independence Air A319 Air Liberte DC10 British Airways B777 Hong Kong They're all Gemini Jets and I like the moulds reminds of me Starjets

10-01-2005, 11:02 PM	#4
irishque Junior Collector Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 12	Try finding Aeroclassics Royal Brunei 767?it's almost non-existence!!By the way,BA 777 "hong Kong"s available in my country and nobody wants it,so its not rare in this part of the world he he Last edited by irishque; 10-01-2005 at 11:04 PM.

10-01-2005, 11:28 PM	#6
DavidMich Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Back in MCO! Posts: 3,626	Any of the 1st round Gemini models are worth more than when they first came out 6 years ago, not counting ebay. The Gemini club models are usually 500 pieces (Seaboard 742F, 700 pieces) A GJ Braniff 741 club model recently fetched $600, I sold one of mine 5 years ago for $350. The last show I attended was the 2004 BOS show, I saw a Gemini Pan Am 741 "Clipper Juan Trippe", a Pan Am 747SP, Braniff 747SP, Royal Air Force L-1011-500, and Delta L-1011-250 all with price tags over $100. __________________ "So if man is 5, and the devil is 6, then that must make me 7,,,this honky's gone to heaven!" Last edited by DavidMich; 10-01-2005 at 11:29 PM.

10-02-2005, 12:32 AM	#9
jjorgemiami Complete Wacko! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MIAMI Age: 47 Posts: 5,738	The Geminijet Seaboard World B747 is quite rare as well, and the Dragon Pan Am L1011s, the Geminijet Pan Am Juan Tripe B747 and also the B747SP. Also the Tucano Swissair DC-10 for Buchair. __________________ Fly United Airlines we are R I S I N G !

10-02-2005, 12:37 AM	#11
jjorgemiami Complete Wacko! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MIAMI Age: 47 Posts: 5,738	Not bad!!! __________________ Fly United Airlines we are R I S I N G !

10-01-2005, 10:01 PM	#2
ehall24747 Junior Collector Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 27	Hi, Those gemini's are all good moulds. The 747 is the worst. Big Bird and Dragon have the best 747 mould. There are alot of rare models out there. They are tough to get.

10-01-2005, 10:13 PM	#3
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,717	There are so many rare models. it might be hard to list them. You might go to Brinkley's site and look at the release numbers. I would suggest that anything produced in numbers less than 120 might be considered rare. someone else may have a different idea. For staters...AeroClassics first generation models. Most of them were less than 120 made and they are hard to find. Also AeroClassics Aer Lingus 767 St. Ibar (96 pieces), Aeroflot Tu-154 with Soviet flag and Olympic titles both are new generation. Most of the 400 Hangar Club models are hard to find. TCA L-1049 was difficult for me to find but I found one last week. All of the 400 SH models are 120, according to the enclosed card. A lot of the Big Bird 747s are harder to find as well. Many of them are made in numbers of less than 120. The Big Bird America West 747 seems to command some nice dollars. The rarest BB might be the Pan Am Clipper Moscow Express (the one without the "p") 90 only made. There are only 6 Clipper Moscow Express with the "p". The list goes on, these are but a few. Goldy

10-01-2005, 11:02 PM	#5
Flying Ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,150	Which is why some collectors don't support the Aeroclassics and Big Bird lines, frankly. When you get right down to it, the 400 Scale Hangar Club models are intended for an exclusive clique of collectors, if you will, where by only a select few are only admitted to membership of "THE CLUB." because "THE CLUB" is full...harken back to the days when I was 8 years old and could not play in the kid's down the street tree house because you had to be a member of "THE CLUB..." GOOD FuCKING GRIEF! So here we have "THE CLUB" led by PAPA JOHN KLEIN (behind Aeroclassics, Big Birdy, and Soveriegn) wonderboy, also known as young inexperienced one trying to force the issue with producing models to a select few collectors with the hope that they will become these sought after jewels. I don't know if this is pathetic or watching collectors groveling after these. I personally respect the likes of Gemini, who happened to produce a 250th scale prototype that shows every potential to become rare and sought after one day and made it available to any collector who was astute enough to go after it and get one. I respect the likes of companies like Bader models and Inflight LE, who may limit production, but do not discriminate or exclude collectors from buying their models...for the workmanship on these models surely have set a high standard and that will be cherished for years to come. I certainly admire the model makers of the past like Aero Mini, that have let the natural course of events determine what models become the star pieces and their passion for modeling do the talking for themselves. And of course, it's always fun to watch "THE CLUB" continue in their fantasia.

10-01-2005, 11:35 PM	#7
Napoleon1072 Posted On the Block Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 22 Posts: 62	wow $650 thats insane is the 1:400 scale the reason 1:500 scale is pretty much dieing?? Why aren't there to many things out for airports in this scale? will there ever be

10-02-2005, 12:48 AM	#12
richie154 Retired Hookah Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Valley of Heart's Delight Age: 24 Posts: 3,718	I personally don't believe that many "rare" models are indeed rare. You can find a lot of "rare" models at various diecast conventions. __________________ The Devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villian with a smiling cheek, a goodly apple rotten at the heart. Oh, what a goodly outside falsehood hath! Private Pilot: 10/20/2005 Private Multi Engine: 05/09/2008 The more things change, the more Mesa still sucks.

10-02-2005, 01:32 AM	#14
tdh8192 Mmmm... pep'roni pizza Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,241	The only models one could consider "rare" in this hobby are samples that never make it into production; GJ's Nalanji Dreaming B743 is a good example - there are maybe six in the entire world? The term "rare" when applied to a 1:400 diecast model is nothing more than a technique used by sellers to separate a potential buyer from his money. Of course, there are models worth more than others but only because we collectors are willing to pay more for them. Don't believe me? Pick the "rare" and sold-out model of your choice, offer $500US for it and you'll have dozens of people falling all over themselves trying sell you theirs. __________________ - Tom

10-02-2005, 06:10 AM	#17
modelmanGB Collector Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 65	Big Bird BA 747 World Images India tail might be hard to get hold of. Very few managed to reach the UK __________________ MLC

10-02-2005, 08:22 AM	#18
ehall24747 Junior Collector Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 27	How about the gemini BA 747 Hong Kong. I bought the model when it came out for $20. Now it goes for between $100-$200.

10-03-2005, 12:17 AM	#20
Canamwing Master Collector Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 544	What about the white box Dragon Air A-330?

10-03-2005, 03:07 PM	#25
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