Which Models Are Rare in the 1:400?? - Page 2

sammyk · 10-04-2005, 12:55 AM

Yah, I think if you don't want/like a 400SH club model that PeeWee is more than willing to take it off your hands.

planemark · 10-04-2005, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyk

I don't know anybody anywhere and I got in on my first try.

I got in easily enough and have no regrets. It's nice to have a shot at low production models. If I don't like what that club offers, I can buy it and sell it. The recently released American White 747 and Columbia were great. At least they make a concerted effort to do something others won't do. Makes it kind of fun.

goldy · 10-04-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Napoleon1072

is the Gemini Alaska B734 Disney Land rare??

You mean the Mickey Mouse? There are most likely more of those made than any other Gemini release, with the exception of the inflight Virgin Air models...9,000 of the tinkerbell I think the card reads? i believe that the Alaska Mickey Mouse was rerun because of its popularity. I have sold more single units of that model than any other. So, in other words, not very rare.

Goldy

goldy · 10-04-2005, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

The rarest of all models in 1:400 are the 1970's Southwest Flight Attendants.

I have a complete collection...BUYAH !

Are we talking Barbie Dolls here? 1:400 scale flight attendants? Hey, I got one or three 1:1 scale FA in my collection. Southwest...Oakland crew base. NWA...SEA...let's see, what else? I tell you what, Nick, you and I should get the 1:1 roadsters running and do some good old fashioned curisin' and womanizing. Big Daddy's...

goldy

qantascruiser · 10-04-2005, 08:02 AM

Gemini Jets: British Airways 747-400 "Hong Kong"
Dragon Wings: American Airlines MD-82

pleco6 · 10-04-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

You stupid cattle prod...how do you extrapolate from a few childhood antics to the the conclusion that I had no friends growing up? Go out and tip a cow or something cow poke.

No, instead, enthrall me with your ridiculous stupidity some more while I read the day's news here.

Oh, don't be so mean to this "redneck" from Chicago. The last time I was called a cattle prod was....well it's a first! Congratulations! Unfortunately I do like your choice of avatars as the P-40 is one of my favorite planes. I think you are missing the point about the 440 SH club. They kept the membership to a minimum to ensure a sell out of any models being produced. The rules were very straight forward at the beginning and no invitations were handed out to join or anything like that. The price of $10 was a little steep for us rednecks but I put off replacing the septic tank on the trailer for another couple of months. The smell isn't too bad.

KRASAIRIL62 · 10-04-2005, 12:34 PM

I thought this thread was about rare models!!

You poor people!!

400sh this.... DAC that...... etc etc etc Pfffffff never ending story!

N2272V · 10-04-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

What A Way For You Flamers To Welcome A New Collector.
Scare Them Off First Post?

There's Nothing Wrong With The Hangar Club. Lifetime Fee Of Only 10 Bucks.
The Rule Of Mandatory Purchase Is At Times Flexible. In The Case Of The Varig 743, It Was Optional.
In The Case Of The American/Columbia, You Had The Option Of Buying One Or The Other. I Bought Both & Got A 10 Dollar Discount. #5 & #6 To Boot!
In The Case Of The Air Canada 744, It Was Not A Club Model,It Was Available To The Public.
Mabe You Guys Were Too Busy Flaming To Notice It Was Even Released In Time To Get One?

Clubs Are Clubs. They All Vary In Concept, Rules & Regulations. Like It Or Not, You Don't Have To Join.

Not To Take Club Sides, But The Likes Of The TCA 1049, Varig 743,744, AA 741 White, Columbia Fantasy 741, EL Al 720 & Aeroflot TU-154 Olympic Are Outstanding Offers.

Orbis?

Exxon?

The Big Orange Is Not Bad, But The Above List Blows The Braniff Away.
Having Said That, If The QF SP Was The Next Club Model I'd Be Inclined To Join the Gemini Club.

That Aside, If You Don't Like The model. YOU CAN ALWAYS SELL IT FOR AT LEAST DOUBLE THE PURCHASE PRICE!!!
Carry On!

I am sure your comments are making way too much sense to looney tunes like DavidBiotch and FlyingSpaceCase. Don't you realize that it is not the logic, it is just their displaced rage and hatred for things AK related?

Carry on!

goldy · 10-04-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pleco6

Oh, don't be so mean to this "redneck" from Chicago. The last time I was called a cattle prod was....well it's a first! Congratulations! Unfortunately I do like your choice of avatars as the P-40 is one of my favorite planes. I think you are missing the point about the 440 SH club. They kept the membership to a minimum to ensure a sell out of any models being produced. The rules were very straight forward at the beginning and no invitations were handed out to join or anything like that. The price of $10 was a little steep for us rednecks but I put off replacing the septic tank on the trailer for another couple of months. The smell isn't too bad.

I am associated with two clubs that have a limited membership. it is neither a new concept nor is it snobbish. the 400ScaleHanger by the nature of its design has to be limited to 120 souls. The models that are supplied to the club are made in 120 lots. How could a club have more members than what product it supplied it? How could a club leave the purchase of the product to the option of the membership? If they did then one of two things would have to happen; either the club would have to add members to compensate for ones that delined the offer. Each month there would be no way to predict how many members would accept and how many would decline the offer. Of more accepted the offering than there were offerings then you have a distribution problem. If less accepted the offering than there were offerings then they have and inventory problem and inventory will kill the club as the available cash to obtain new offerings dries up. In otherwords, there is no otherway, short of increasing the current 120 units to 260 or more and then accept more members. Once you double the membership you double your time to distribute the offering and who would have time for that? At the current 90 or 96 members of the 400SH club it seems to work and it seems to be manageable for the principles. So quite your whining already!!! If you missed out on the initial offering for membership you gotta get in line. it is worth it, in my opinion.

goldy

Flying Ace · 10-05-2005, 12:03 AM

The entire "club" debate stemmed from my response to a 400 SH member collector's statement indicating that certain 400 SH Club model are "rare." I tried to indicate there are other models that are not of "club" origin that are considered "rare." Perhaps rather than to consider models "rare" it would be better to consider such models as "difficult to obtain" or "desirable" rather than "rare" as has this term been defined among collectors?

What I do know is that there are some models, that are not of collectors' club origin that are difficult to obtain because they generally possess a certain degree of desirability among collectors to be included in their collections (i.e. high demand). For example:

SMA 737-200 Frontier Saul Bass Colors
SMA DC-8-51 North Central
SMA 737-200 US-Air
SMA DC-9-30 Allegheny and USAir Triple Red Twin Pack

DW AA MD-80
DW Pan Am L-1011

Aeroclassics mould CV880 Cathay Pacific (in unmarked green box)
Aeroclassics CV880 Alaska

DreamJets L-1011 Cathay Pacific

The list can go on...

So, maybe the question here is what models are the most desirable, and not necessarily the most "rare," from a numerical standpoint as another collector also indicated in this thread.

goldy · 10-05-2005, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

The entire "club" debate stemmed from my response to a 400 SH member collector's statement indicating that certain 400 SH Club model are "rare." I tried to indicate there are other models that are not of "club" origin that are considered "rare." Perhaps rather than to consider models "rare" it would be better to consider such models as "difficult to obtain" or "desirable" rather than "rare" as has this term been defined among collectors?

What I do know is that there are some models, that are not of collectors' club origin that are difficult to obtain because they generally possess a certain degree of desirability among collectors to be included in their collections (i.e. high demand). For example:

SMA 737-200 Frontier Saul Bass Colors
SMA DC-8-51 North Central
SMA 737-200 US-Air
SMA DC-9-30 Allegheny and USAir Triple Red Twin Pack

DW AA MD-80
DW Pan Am L-1011

Aeroclassics mould CV880 Cathay Pacific (in unmarked green box)
Aeroclassics CV880 Alaska

DreamJets L-1011 Cathay Pacific

The list can go on...

So, maybe the question here is what models are the most desirable, and not necessarily the most "rare," from a numerical standpoint as another collector also indicated in this thread.

is the Dream Jets Cathay in green box? If so I got one of them today along with: Gemini Qantas Formula One, British Air 747 Rendevous with card, Braniff 747 Gemini Club model. Seaboard 747 Gemini club model, Dragon Wings Singapore 747 tropical, the crased one, Dragon Wings Qantas Longreach, a Gemini JetBlue set of 4, Alaska CV880, Gemini Royal Air Force L-1011, PSA L-1011, TWA L-10, EAL L-1011, and a few others that were somewhat common. All as a single lot. A few Jet X Pocket Monsters from 1999. it was a good day.

Goldy

Lai Ming · 10-05-2005, 03:02 AM

DW Singapore Airline B747-400 - Tropical "9V-SPK"

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-05-2005, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

The entire "club" debate stemmed from my response to a 400 SH member collector's statement indicating that certain 400 SH Club model are "rare."

Maybe they're more "rare" than you think......

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MESO%3AIT&rd=1

DavidMich · 10-05-2005, 08:38 PM

If ya really look at it, the whole "club model" rarity thing is a moot point. Sooner or later, they all show up on ebay for a fraction of the price.

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-05-2005, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidMich

If ya really look at it, the whole "club model" rarity thing is a moot point. Sooner or later, they all show up on ebay for a fraction of the price.

Guess you didn't click on my link......love that fraction!

goldy · 10-05-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

Maybe they're more "rare" than you think......

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MESO%3AIT&rd=1

Holy crap. I sold one of those paired with an Asiana 747F for $130.00 and thought it was a bit much for the pair but this is reminicient of the Gemini Braniff 747 club model, which I bought one yesterday from my pal Andrew for big bucks. But this Columbia 747 has broken new wind. Glad to see it. This will put the 400 Scale Hangar club on the map! Everyone is going to want to belong! (OK, I am done gushing now)

Goldy

DavidMich · 10-05-2005, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

Guess you didn't click on my link......love that fraction!

Your link is an exception, not a rule smartass. I picked up a 2nd Seaboard 742F for $20 off ebay two years ago. I've also seen a Kalitta L-1011 go for $15. The only club models I've seen go for the big bucks is of course one of my Braniff 741s that I sold, and the DW Pan Am L-1011. Big Turd & Aero-crass-ics will never draw as much cabbage, wanker!

L-1011-Heavy · 10-05-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by goldy

Holy crap. I sold one of those paired with an Asiana 747F for $130.00 and thought it was a bit much for the pair but this is reminicient of the Gemini Braniff 747 club model, which I bought one yesterday from my pal Andrew for big bucks. But this Columbia 747 has broken new wind. Glad to see it. This will put the 400 Scale Hangar club on the map! Everyone is going to want to belong! (OK, I am done gushing now)

Goldy

Holy Mad Cow, Batman!

Glad I Got My # 6!!!
I Will Treasure This One!

Will Definitely Take Pics Of It This Weekend!
I Will Have To Defend Mine With My Life!!! Woo Hoo!!!

Flying Ace · 10-05-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

Maybe they're more "rare" than you think......

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MESO%3AIT&rd=1

Isolated incident versus generally accepted? You know you are far reaching here...and ebay is a funny place. Gotta go with my pal David, and what I said earlier, this model hasn't stood the test of time, probably a honeymoon infatuation similar to what I recall with the Dream Jets Centennial Spirit a few years back when bidders on ebay were plunking down $950 for this model. What do you think the going rate for that model is today on ebay; $55 or so? I bought mine for $35.

To my knowledge, the only "club" models that I know as being generally recognized among collectors as desirable are a couple of the Gemini issues (preface that I do not know a thing about the Jet-x club and so I am unfamiliar with them but ave never heard any rumors about their models)...and they would be the Braniff and SeaBoard 747s.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't hear too much about the 400SH club models as being generally recognized among collectors as all that desirable to have in a collection except those who happen to be affiliated with the club themselves.

DavidMich · 10-05-2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Isolated incident versus generally accepted? You know you are far reaching here...and ebay is a funny place. Gotta go with my pal David, and what I said earlier, this model hasn't stood the test of time, probably a honeymoon infatuation similar to what I recall with the Dream Jets Centennial Spirit a few years back when bidders on ebay were plunking down $950 for this model. What do you think the going rate for that model is today on ebay; $55 or so? I bought mine for $35.

That brings up another fact, people have, and will plunk down huge $ for samples, but the futility in that is that most samples will become general releases, so today's rare sample going for $1,000, could very well re-sell for $50 or less in a matter of months.

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To my knowledge, the only "club" models that I know as being generally recognized among collectors as desirable are a couple of the Gemini issues (preface that I do not know a thing about the Jet-x club and so I am unfamiliar with them but ave never heard any rumors about their models)...and they would be the Braniff and SeaBoard 747s.

The GJ club models started losing steam (re-sell value-wise) after the Kalitta L-1011 came out. The following one, the Western 707 was popular, sold well, but you can get one for roughly the same price now, as what it was when first released. I bought my World DC-10-30 long after it was released when I renewed my GJ club membership. Not only was I glad to see ADI still had some in stock, but I got a low number model too! (#14 of 504) Bottom line, the market is so flooded now, prices are gonna stay low, save for a few examples.

JustPlaneCrazy · 10-05-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't hear too much about the 400SH club models as being generally recognized among collectors as all that desirable to have in a collection except those who happen to be affiliated with the club themselves.

Oh, I don't know, every time we release one, I get many emails from collector's that are not members who want the release so I guess they have been pretty good releases...plus, I have a pretty large waiting list for the club membership..

....it's all good

goldy · 10-06-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMich

That brings up another fact, people have, and will plunk down huge $ for samples, but the futility in that is that most samples will become general releases, so today's rare sample going for $1,000, could very well re-sell for $50 or less in a matter of months.

The GJ club models started losing steam (re-sell value-wise) after the Kalitta L-1011 came out. The following one, the Western 707 was popular, sold well, but you can get one for roughly the same price now, as what it was when first released. I bought my World DC-10-30 long after it was released when I renewed my GJ club membership. Not only was I glad to see ADI still had some in stock, but I got a low number model too! (#14 of 504) Bottom line, the market is so flooded now, prices are gonna stay low, save for a few examples.

The market is flooded. Baseball cards used to command some hefty prices too. The card market flooded. There will always be a few jems to be had. I've got a very nice Barry Bonds rookie card that is graded at a 9.5 out of a possible to that while be worth some money if Barry does something like set a record but no one will ever draw the
dollars like Honus Wagner did. A rookie Mantle maybe.

So it is with diecast. There are a few jems out there they may not necessarly be the 1 offs or the 1 of 100 because I don't thing the release number has anything much to do with it but rather demand. A strong demand for a 1,000 issue is stronger (GJ BA 747 HK tail), dollar wise, than a weak demand for a 96 issue (AC Aer Lingus 757) is any time. I'm going to guess but I'd say that the most sold model, by units bought, is the Gemini Jets Alaska Air 737 Mickey Mouse. The first run sold out and it was reissued and I do believe that run sold out as well.

Goldy

A346Lover · 10-06-2005, 02:56 PM

How about the Singapore airlines Tropical by dragon wings?how many of them were made available?

10-04-2005, 08:02 AM	#55
qantascruiser The Flying Kangaroo Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 50	rare models Gemini Jets: British Airways 747-400 "Hong Kong" Dragon Wings: American Airlines MD-82 __________________ The Flying Kangaroo

10-04-2005, 12:34 PM	#57
KRASAIRIL62 Russian model collector Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Otherside of the pond, Europe!! Posts: 731	I thought this thread was about rare models!! You poor people!! 400sh this.... DAC that...... etc etc etc Pfffffff never ending story! __________________ *NEED IT* ........ *KRASAIR IL-86!!!* www.lesmills.com

10-05-2005, 12:03 AM	#60
Flying Ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,150	Back To The Original Topic Of This Thread! The entire "club" debate stemmed from my response to a 400 SH member collector's statement indicating that certain 400 SH Club model are "rare." I tried to indicate there are other models that are not of "club" origin that are considered "rare." Perhaps rather than to consider models "rare" it would be better to consider such models as "difficult to obtain" or "desirable" rather than "rare" as has this term been defined among collectors? What I do know is that there are some models, that are not of collectors' club origin that are difficult to obtain because they generally possess a certain degree of desirability among collectors to be included in their collections (i.e. high demand). For example: SMA 737-200 Frontier Saul Bass Colors SMA DC-8-51 North Central SMA 737-200 US-Air SMA DC-9-30 Allegheny and USAir Triple Red Twin Pack DW AA MD-80 DW Pan Am L-1011 Aeroclassics mould CV880 Cathay Pacific (in unmarked green box) Aeroclassics CV880 Alaska DreamJets L-1011 Cathay Pacific The list can go on... So, maybe the question here is what models are the most desirable, and not necessarily the most "rare," from a numerical standpoint as another collector also indicated in this thread. Last edited by Flying Ace; 10-05-2005 at 12:05 AM.

10-05-2005, 08:38 PM	#64
DavidMich Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Back in MCO! Posts: 3,626	If ya really look at it, the whole "club model" rarity thing is a moot point. Sooner or later, they all show up on ebay for a fraction of the price. __________________ "So if man is 5, and the devil is 6, then that must make me 7,,,this honky's gone to heaven!"

10-04-2005, 12:55 AM	#51
sammyk Insane Collector Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Austin, TX Age: 34 Posts: 1,350	Yah, I think if you don't want/like a 400SH club model that PeeWee is more than willing to take it off your hands.

10-05-2005, 03:02 AM	#62
Lai Ming Master Collector Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hong Kong Age: 37 Posts: 541	DW Singapore Airline B747-400 - Tropical "9V-SPK"

10-06-2005, 02:56 PM	#73
A346Lover Collector Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 80	How about the Singapore airlines Tropical by dragon wings?how many of them were made available?