BigBird August 2005 Releases!!!

British Airways · 08-02-2005, 06:02 AM

Lufthansa/Condor Six-pack including one set of LH gse:

Lufthansa B 747-130 o/c, D-ABYA, "Nordrhein-Westfalen"
Lufthansa B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYQ, "Bremen"
Lufthansa B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYK, "Rheinland-Pfalz" COMBI
Lufthansa Cargo B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYO
Condor B 747-230 D-ABYF with three upper-deck windows
Condor B 747-230 D-ABYR

The set is limited to 250pcs.

Philippine Airlines B 747-200 o/c, N742PR, (limited to 312pcs)
Philippine Airlines B 747-200 o/c, N741PR "Mabuhay Chicago" (limited to 192pcs)

Ciderman · 08-02-2005, 07:53 AM

Lufthansa finally.

However, I would have preferred single releases. Perhaps someone is willing to share with me?! I am only interested in D-ABYA and D-ABYK.

By the way, D-ABYF is a 747-230B as well, allbeit with a three window upper deck.

Phantom · 08-02-2005, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ciderman

By the way, D-ABYF is a 747-230B as well, allbeit with a three window upper deck.

Exactly.
Very early 230B with Pratt engines.
Soon after was converted to a 10 window UD.
The designator "-130" indicates that we get her in delivery 3 window config

British Airways · 08-02-2005, 08:33 AM

Thanks for the hint. When adding the model to the db I realised that D-ABYF is -230B, too. The first post has been corrected.

Michael

playneknut254 · 08-02-2005, 08:42 AM

Is it just me, or has Bigbird become Aeroclassics II. I think that Aeroclassics does a fantastic job with the retros, so why not have Bigbird stick to giving us many of the other models that we still need released. And please, not so many multi-pack releases, how many people can really afford these?

Dr Evil · 08-02-2005, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by playneknut254

Is it just me, or has Bigbird become Aeroclassics II. I think that Aeroclassics does a fantastic job with the retros, so why not have Bigbird stick to giving us many of the other models that we still need released. And please, not so many multi-pack releases, how many people can really afford these?

Never though about the possibility that Andrew is the owner of Big Bird? He says no, but I would do the same if I was releasing models without any permission from the airlines.

And sixpacks are just a way of easy money. You like 4 out of 6? Well than there is a good chance you will buy it.

JustPlaneCrazy · 08-02-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by playneknut254

how many people can really afford these?

250

They will sell out within 2 weeks

continental · 08-02-2005, 10:30 AM

IMHO, releasing 6-packs at US$30+ is a poor marketing strategy. Contrary to popular belief, there are some collectors who would like to own each of these models, but aren't willing to mortgage their homes to do so.

DirtyBird · 08-02-2005, 10:56 AM

I would love to have one or two of those Lufthansa's and the GSE but a six pack is a little too much!

Avatordon · 08-02-2005, 11:04 AM

Agreed - 6 packs are a bit much - some of us have to start doing without models because of things like this. Cost wise, its becoming prohibitive. Its becoming a bit easier - and cheaper - to pick up the odd model here and there on ebay, which is a shame.

N2272V · 08-02-2005, 11:29 AM

Although I would prefer three sets of TWO packs EACH with GSE, I am curious how one gets all that into a six pack.

I will DEFINATELY be morgaging the home to get these. Hell, Klein already gets 20% of my income now the way it is. What's another gazillion dollars for Lufties.

Curioser and curioser.

Carry on!

goldy · 08-02-2005, 11:30 AM

If the 6 models are packaged in a normal 6 model shipping box, as were the 6 Evergreen 747s from a few years ago, then a retailer might have the option of seperating the 6 for individual sale. I would imagine that each model has its own box.

Goldy

N. Eberhard · 08-02-2005, 01:26 PM

Let's hope the 'IF' that Goldy describes is true. Otherwise I sure as heck don't want to be stuck with a 6 pack 'white elephant' model release.

PICKING UP THE PORSCHE TODAY!!! YIPPEE !!

paprause · 08-02-2005, 02:05 PM

I thought BB was done with the multi-packs?

Hopefully, these are individual boxes - because I really only want 1-3 of them.

Draco1268 · 08-02-2005, 05:13 PM

Thank you BigBird 400 for the Philippine Airlines set!

Rammstein · 08-02-2005, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by British Airways

Lufthansa/Condor Six-pack including one set of LH gse:

Lufthansa B 747-130 o/c, D-ABYA, "Nordrhein-Westfalen"
Lufthansa B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYQ, "Bremen"
Lufthansa B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYK, "Rheinland-Pfalz" COMBI
Lufthansa Cargo B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYO
Condor B 747-230 D-ABYF with three upper-deck windows
Condor B 747-230 D-ABYR
(limited to 192pcs)

1:400 BB = Some Great Models
1:500 BB = almost the same but 4 LH 707's and 2 Condor 707's.

I hope they will do the same for 1:500

Blisterbum · 08-02-2005, 05:40 PM

WOW !!!! Finally after 5 years of waiting...... it finally comes true !!!!!

Thanks to the one who decided to make a diecast plane of the Philippine Airlines 747-200 Old Livery.

.

aklein707 · 08-03-2005, 12:12 AM

Erick, time to revise your signature!!

L-1011-Heavy · 08-03-2005, 12:29 AM

My EL AL Six Pack Had Separate Boxes. Some Retailers Sold Them Separately.
The 4 747 & 2-767 Ladors Were Sold Individually.
Ditto On The Red Tail BAs, The Smorgasborg Of Air France & Korean.& The 5 EALs.
AND There Were 4 Air Canada 747s Sold Separately as Well.
Anyone See A Pattern Here?

Except For Two Air France & A Single Korean, I Bought ALL Of These Wonderful Packs!

goldy · 08-03-2005, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

Let's hope the 'IF' that Goldy describes is true. Otherwise I sure as heck don't want to be stuck with a 6 pack 'white elephant' model release.

PICKING UP THE PORSCHE TODAY!!! YIPPEE !!

Is true, Nickster. The boxes can be seperated and sold independantly if the retailer so chooses. The GSE is located however in one of the 6 models. PW this sunday for the SCCA?

Goldy

N2272V · 08-03-2005, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldy

Is true, Nickster. The boxes can be seperated and sold independantly if the retailer so chooses. The GSE is located however in one of the 6 models. PW this sunday for the SCCA?

Goldy

It is not a six pack then. It is a six model issue. Thank for helping to clarify this for the members.

Now I can be sad that EACH box doesn't have some GSE.

Carry on!

JFKFlightPath6886 · 08-03-2005, 05:08 PM

I don't know what the producers are smoking (it must be crack), but these "six packs" are ridiculous; and well beyond the reach of most collectors. Even worse, the liveries are not wholly varied; some will merely have different registration numbers. I'm as big a Lufthansa fan as the next collector, but a six pack release make no sense; literally. With a production run limited to a few hundred, most of us will lose out. I suspect the only thing driving it is a desire for higher revenues and profits. Hopefully, some retailers will have the good sense to offer them separately as they did with the El Al 747s. When I bought BB's JAL 743 twinpack, I realized just how stupid some of these offerings are. At least the GJ America West 732 twinpack offered two aircraft in different liveries or the AC Aerocondor twinpack offered two different aircraft. I could understand if BB did a six pack comprised of a 744, 742, DC-10, 727, 737 and 707, but six 747s is absurd.

Tokyo2040 · 08-03-2005, 09:01 PM

"Six packs" can easily fulfill the factory's minimum production requirement.

6 x 250 = 1,500 units, plus the 2 Philippines of 504 units, total production units already exceeded 2,000.

But it's not easy to move 2,000 units every month. One way is to tie up one or two hot items with others in the form of "six packs". Retailers have no choice but to take all six. Collectors may have a choice of just buying one or two but this depends on retailers' selling strategy. In any case, risk has been moved to the retailers.

aklein707 · 08-03-2005, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFKFlightPath6886

I don't know what the producers are smoking (it must be crack), but these "six packs" are ridiculous; and well beyond the reach of most collectors. Even worse, the liveries are not wholly varied; some will merely have different registration numbers. I'm as big a Lufthansa fan as the next collector, but a six pack release make no sense; literally. With a production run limited to a few hundred, most of us will lose out. I suspect the only thing driving it is a desire for higher revenues and profits. Hopefully, some retailers will have the good sense to offer them separately as they did with the El Al 747s. When I bought BB's JAL 743 twinpack, I realized just how stupid some of these offerings are. At least the GJ America West 732 twinpack offered two aircraft in different liveries or the AC Aerocondor twinpack offered two different aircraft. I could understand if BB did a six pack comprised of a 744, 742, DC-10, 727, 737 and 707, but six 747s is absurd.

I don't smoke!!
All six of the LH planes in the 6-pack are VERY different; (2 of them are actually Condor).
If you don't like our offerings, then don't buy them, but keep your crack-head remarks to yourself for they will not earn you much respect in the potential response! Have a nice day!

L-1011-Heavy · 08-03-2005, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N2272V

Now I can be sad that EACH box doesn't have some GSE.

I'm Willing To Bet They Are All In The Cargo Box. BTW I Saw Pics Of the GSE. There's A Frickin" Smorgasborg! Includes A VERY Neat Looking Fuel Truck & Some Busses.

Avatordon · 08-03-2005, 11:14 PM

Andrew - your products are without question the best of the best. But some of us just can't afford the six packs. No doubt there are reasons behind the marketing and production of these that we may or may not be fully aware of, but as you ask us to respect you, and not make remarks that may be off color, please respect our rights to be a bit frustrated at times such as this wehn you do come out with a great "set" that, quite frankly, we are finding more difficult to afford. I honestly wish I had the income to purchase this but I just don't and this time will have to pass and hope that some day, this caliber of model will be released as a single unit that is both profitable for the man

08-02-2005, 06:02 AM	#1
British Airways DAC Team Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hamburg Posts: 2,729	BigBird August 2005 Releases!!! Lufthansa/Condor Six-pack including one set of LH gse: Lufthansa B 747-130 o/c, D-ABYA, "Nordrhein-Westfalen" Lufthansa B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYQ, "Bremen" Lufthansa B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYK, "Rheinland-Pfalz" COMBI Lufthansa Cargo B 747-230 o/c, D-ABYO Condor B 747-230 D-ABYF with three upper-deck windows Condor B 747-230 D-ABYR The set is limited to 250pcs. Philippine Airlines B 747-200 o/c, N742PR, (limited to 312pcs) Philippine Airlines B 747-200 o/c, N741PR "Mabuhay Chicago" (limited to 192pcs) __________________ DiecastAircraftPhotos Models For Sale Michael Hoeltmann

08-02-2005, 07:53 AM	#2
Ciderman Senior Collector Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 32 Posts: 187	Lufthansa finally. However, I would have preferred single releases. Perhaps someone is willing to share with me?! I am only interested in D-ABYA and D-ABYK. By the way, D-ABYF is a 747-230B as well, allbeit with a three window upper deck. __________________ Models I want to see in 1/400: Airbus A320 Air France, Air Inter (mid 1990s), Alitalia, British Airways (Landor) Boeing 737-200 Adv. Condor (silver), Lufthansa, United Airlines (Worldwide Service) Boeing 737-500 Air France, Lufthansa, United Airlines (Saul Bass) Boeing 747-200B KLM (blue), Royal Jordanian, Swissair 1980s (on the BB mould) McDonnell Douglas DC-9-32/-82 Alitalia

08-02-2005, 08:33 AM	#4
British Airways DAC Team Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hamburg Posts: 2,729	Thanks for the hint. When adding the model to the db I realised that D-ABYF is -230B, too. The first post has been corrected. Michael __________________ DiecastAircraftPhotos Models For Sale Michael Hoeltmann

08-02-2005, 10:30 AM	#8
continental I am come from Texas. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: I might keep suffering all my life Posts: 1,905	IMHO, releasing 6-packs at US$30+ is a poor marketing strategy. Contrary to popular belief, there are some collectors who would like to own each of these models, but aren't willing to mortgage their homes to do so. __________________ Continental Apply suction to the object of your choice, n00bs.

08-02-2005, 10:56 AM	#9
DirtyBird Master Collector Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Atlanta GA, USA Posts: 895	I would love to have one or two of those Lufthansa's and the GSE but a six pack is a little too much! __________________ Turkish Airlines DC-10-30 from Gemini Jets!

08-02-2005, 08:42 AM	#5
playneknut254 Junior Collector Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 21	Is it just me, or has Bigbird become Aeroclassics II. I think that Aeroclassics does a fantastic job with the retros, so why not have Bigbird stick to giving us many of the other models that we still need released. And please, not so many multi-pack releases, how many people can really afford these?

08-02-2005, 11:04 AM	#10
Avatordon Senior Collector Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: New York, NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 326	Agreed - 6 packs are a bit much - some of us have to start doing without models because of things like this. Cost wise, its becoming prohibitive. Its becoming a bit easier - and cheaper - to pick up the odd model here and there on ebay, which is a shame.

08-02-2005, 11:29 AM	#11
N2272V Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ventura Age: 54 Posts: 2,101	I'll be getting these Although I would prefer three sets of TWO packs EACH with GSE, I am curious how one gets all that into a six pack. I will DEFINATELY be morgaging the home to get these. Hell, Klein already gets 20% of my income now the way it is. What's another gazillion dollars for Lufties. Curioser and curioser. Carry on!

08-02-2005, 11:30 AM	#12
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,567	If the 6 models are packaged in a normal 6 model shipping box, as were the 6 Evergreen 747s from a few years ago, then a retailer might have the option of seperating the 6 for individual sale. I would imagine that each model has its own box. Goldy

08-02-2005, 01:26 PM	#13
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,330	Let's hope the 'IF' that Goldy describes is true. Otherwise I sure as heck don't want to be stuck with a 6 pack 'white elephant' model release. PICKING UP THE PORSCHE TODAY!!! YIPPEE !!

08-02-2005, 02:05 PM	#14
paprause Senior Collector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: North Carolina Age: 34 Posts: 387	I thought BB was done with the multi-packs? Hopefully, these are individual boxes - because I really only want 1-3 of them.

08-02-2005, 05:13 PM	#15
Draco1268 Master Collector Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 616	Thank you BigBird 400 for the Philippine Airlines set!

08-02-2005, 05:40 PM	#17
Blisterbum Senior Collector Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Taguig, Metro Manila, Philippines Age: 35 Posts: 435	WOW !!!! Finally after 5 years of waiting...... it finally comes true !!!!! Thanks to the one who decided to make a diecast plane of the Philippine Airlines 747-200 Old Livery. . __________________ Erick Tubil visit Filipino Diecast Aircraft Club (FILDAC) forum at www.philskies.net/forum

08-03-2005, 12:12 AM	#18
aklein707 Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Sanya, Hainan, People's Republic of China Posts: 3,641	Erick, time to revise your signature!! __________________ Enjoying aviation from a "TSA-free Zone"!! Take the money-grab & deceit out of our hobby, and bring back ethics and quality!! Just say NO to BluBucks/Nutz Models/JC Models/Junk-X/First Choice/C&C/IF400/AV400/Magic/Blue Angle/5stars & any BigBirds (real or fake)

08-03-2005, 12:29 AM	#19
L-1011-Heavy The Heavy One Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 45 Posts: 4,434	My EL AL Six Pack Had Separate Boxes. Some Retailers Sold Them Separately. The 4 747 & 2-767 Ladors Were Sold Individually. Ditto On The Red Tail BAs, The Smorgasborg Of Air France & Korean.& The 5 EALs. AND There Were 4 Air Canada 747s Sold Separately as Well. Anyone See A Pattern Here? Except For Two Air France & A Single Korean, I Bought ALL Of These Wonderful Packs! __________________ *The Heavy Armada* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."*

08-03-2005, 05:08 PM	#22
JFKFlightPath6886 Collector Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 40 Posts: 112	I don't know what the producers are smoking (it must be crack), but these "six packs" are ridiculous; and well beyond the reach of most collectors. Even worse, the liveries are not wholly varied; some will merely have different registration numbers. I'm as big a Lufthansa fan as the next collector, but a six pack release make no sense; literally. With a production run limited to a few hundred, most of us will lose out. I suspect the only thing driving it is a desire for higher revenues and profits. Hopefully, some retailers will have the good sense to offer them separately as they did with the El Al 747s. When I bought BB's JAL 743 twinpack, I realized just how stupid some of these offerings are. At least the GJ America West 732 twinpack offered two aircraft in different liveries or the AC Aerocondor twinpack offered two different aircraft. I could understand if BB did a six pack comprised of a 744, 742, DC-10, 727, 737 and 707, but six 747s is absurd. __________________ Warr

08-03-2005, 09:01 PM	#23
Tokyo2040 Senior Collector Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: HKSAR Posts: 207	"Six packs" can easily fulfill the factory's minimum production requirement. 6 x 250 = 1,500 units, plus the 2 Philippines of 504 units, total production units already exceeded 2,000. But it's not easy to move 2,000 units every month. One way is to tie up one or two hot items with others in the form of "six packs". Retailers have no choice but to take all six. Collectors may have a choice of just buying one or two but this depends on retailers' selling strategy. In any case, risk has been moved to the retailers.