Intellectual property and the licensing of diecast models

neila · 07-30-2005, 09:41 AM

My general-law class at college is discussing the concept of intellectual property as related to consumer goods. I presume manufacturers are faced with royalty payments for use of aircraft likenesses and specific liveries.

Anybody know how 1:1 entities are compensated by 1:400 producers?
Roughly what percentage of retail cost is given to Boeing, Airbus, Delta, Air France, etc. etc?

N. Eberhard · 07-30-2005, 01:11 PM

those who sign the contracts know and they are not telling the general public.

neila · 07-30-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

those who sign the contracts know and they are not telling the general public.

Is there a reason for this lack of transparency? Members of my class have, or are in the process of obtaining research data from Miramax Films, Ditech Funding, TJ Max clothing, and Toys R Us, and assorted small manufacturers of consumer products.

Generally, organizations in compliance have nothing to lose competitively by such requests.

I know nothing of the nature of THIS industry, hence my question. It's far to rare that hobbies have classroom application!

nutsXplanes · 07-30-2005, 11:06 PM

Today I bought Star Wars III, Fantastics 4 and the Chocolate factory something for USD$20.00. It was a great deal because if you got them as a separate purchase it was going to be 8 bucks a pop. I have not idea how much royalties or profit were exchanged here. I know that if that poor bastard, mexican blue special vendor, has a son/daughter working at the movie threater is not going to be for more than the minimun wages.

F U C K ! ! the big companies.

P?S: Sorry to rain in your parade. This is the worse place to talk about this the licence subject. Many collectors had the opportunity to own a model with a very special livery BECAUSE THE LICENCE THING WAS NOT DONE IN THE PROPER WAY. Now, by asking this kind of questions is the best way to start a good thread. Way to go!! and Airbus sucks!!

neila · 07-31-2005, 02:15 PM

My argument is not whether some mfgrs should properly license their products; rather ALL should follow applicable laws. Thus, a level playing field would result and intellectual property would be EQUALLY respected.

Although my collection is rather small, the boxes of Gemini and Dragon Wings products have verbiage concerning trademarks and licenses. Thus far the Aeroclassics boxes make no mention.

Since this is an open forum, perhaps the representatives of participating mfgrs might wish to comment.

aklein707 · 07-31-2005, 03:18 PM

This topic has been beaten to death in past, and I have no intention of repeating my position.

Do note though, that some of the newer AeroClassics boxes do carry similar verbiage as it was NOT required to destroy old boxes.

goldy · 07-31-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neila

My argument is not whether some mfgrs should properly license their products; rather ALL should follow applicable laws. Thus, a level playing field would result and intellectual property would be EQUALLY respected.

Although my collection is rather small, the boxes of Gemini and Dragon Wings products have verbiage concerning trademarks and licenses. Thus far the Aeroclassics boxes make no mention.

Since this is an open forum, perhaps the representatives of participating mfgrs might wish to comment.

This could be a question akin to the "can of worm" annalogy. Everything is manufactured in China. A place where copyright laws, trademark laws, and licenses mean little. A visit to Hong Kong's Night Market (black market) and I have been there many times, will attest to it. Rolex, Gucci, Amerian Tourister, Chanel, Casio, Piere Cardan, the list goes on. Video games and Hollywood movies. Knockoffs and the like.

That is China. In America the licenses are proper. Dragon Wings, Gemini Jets, Herpa, and, yes, AeroClassics do have the proper licenses for what they do. Sometimes they do not. It is a crap shoot, I think. Then you have Poo Box and other colored boxes, Net Models, and the like. All companies under total Chinese ownership and never will you see from them what it is that you hope to see. That being a license.

Goldy

neila · 07-31-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by goldy

That is China...... All companies under total Chinese ownership and never will you see from them what it is that you hope to see. That being a license.Goldy

I didn't realize the manufacturers were owned by Chinese. Do they have American distributors? Who decides what to produce for our market?

neila · 07-31-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aklein707

This topic has been beaten to death in past, and I have no intention of repeating my position.

Sorry, but I'm a new collector and just joined this forum. Goldy mentioned all companies are owned by Chinese. Which company do you own, I'm assuming you have a company since you mentioned a position.

goldy · 07-31-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by neila

Sorry, but I'm a new collector and just joined this forum. Goldy mentioned all companies are owned by Chinese. Which company do you own, I'm assuming you have a company since you mentioned a position.

Not all owned by the Chinese. Gemini and AeroClasscis is American owned and Herpa is German. I believe the rest of the lot are Chinese. Did I leave anyone out?

Goldy

nutsXplanes · 07-31-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by goldy

Not all owned by the Chinese. Gemini and AeroClasscis is American owned and Herpa is German. I believe the rest of the lot are Chinese. Did I leave anyone out?

Goldy

do not forget, tamales and border crossers are mexicans. Good swimmers are cubans living in Miami and DW has made few non-licenced models on an unmarked box in the past. Herpa has not gone into that path. Perhaps due to that sickening code of doing things right.

note to Neila: My dear friend, enjoy your models and don't ask too many questions.

newsnerd99 · 08-01-2005, 03:41 AM

Recently in one of the Philadelphia newspapers was a story about a local model company who was challenging those intel. property lawsuits when it came to military aircraft. What makes his argument different is that the military planes are developed with taxpayer-funded research, etc...I don't know if it will hold water but I'm pulling for the little guy.

07-30-2005, 09:41 AM	#1
neila Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 48	Intellectual property and the licensing of diecast models My general-law class at college is discussing the concept of intellectual property as related to consumer goods. I presume manufacturers are faced with royalty payments for use of aircraft likenesses and specific liveries. Anybody know how 1:1 entities are compensated by 1:400 producers? Roughly what percentage of retail cost is given to Boeing, Airbus, Delta, Air France, etc. etc? Last edited by neila; 07-30-2005 at 09:43 AM. Reason: typo

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nutsXplanes Minister of Agriculture Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, California / 34.42850 N, 119.72190 W Age: 87 Posts: 2,062	No respect!!!! Today I bought Star Wars III, Fantastics 4 and the Chocolate factory something for USD$20.00. It was a great deal because if you got them as a separate purchase it was going to be 8 bucks a pop. I have not idea how much royalties or profit were exchanged here. I know that if that poor bastard, mexican blue special vendor, has a son/daughter working at the movie threater is not going to be for more than the minimun wages. F U C K ! ! the big companies. P?S: Sorry to rain in your parade. This is the worse place to talk about this the licence subject. Many collectors had the opportunity to own a model with a very special livery BECAUSE THE LICENCE THING WAS NOT DONE IN THE PROPER WAY. Now, by asking this kind of questions is the best way to start a good thread. Way to go!! and Airbus sucks!! __________________ Yuri Germán Erasmo Rivera Montes Ladeco Línea Aérea del Cobre "...y no corras más muchacha, corazón de tiza cuando todo pase, te robaré un color y no corras más muchachaaaaaa" "Almendra- Argentina" Note: Diecasts for Nuts Foundation is currently accepting donations. Please be adviced that this donations are not tax deductible. God Bless You BROWN & PROUD Last edited by nutsXplanes; 07-30-2005 at 11:20 PM.

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07-30-2005, 01:11 PM	#2
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,436	those who sign the contracts know and they are not telling the general public.

07-31-2005, 02:15 PM	#5
neila Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 48	My argument is not whether some mfgrs should properly license their products; rather ALL should follow applicable laws. Thus, a level playing field would result and intellectual property would be EQUALLY respected. Although my collection is rather small, the boxes of Gemini and Dragon Wings products have verbiage concerning trademarks and licenses. Thus far the Aeroclassics boxes make no mention. Since this is an open forum, perhaps the representatives of participating mfgrs might wish to comment.

07-31-2005, 03:18 PM	#6
aklein707 Registered User Join Date: Jul 1999 Posts: 3,652	This topic has been beaten to death in past, and I have no intention of repeating my position. Do note though, that some of the newer AeroClassics boxes do carry similar verbiage as it was NOT required to destroy old boxes.