Gemini, you missed somthing!

SouthwestAirlines103 · 07-03-2005, 08:41 PM

Rember back a few months ago when we were seeing all those AWA releases. I knew somthing was left out.

L-1011-Heavy · 07-03-2005, 10:05 PM

You Will Have To Ask Sovereign For That One. Its A -30 (Ex Lufthansa)
Phoenix Suns Never Used the-200.

Also, From What I Understand The Twinpack Was Commissioned By AW.
Too Bad Gemini Made The Delivery Color Yellow Instead Of White.
A Major Disappointment For Me As I Have Six Big Bird 747s. Looks Like I Can't Fleet Build Now.
I Guess Gemini Used Thier Famous Color Swatch Again...Landors Come To Mind.

jjorgemiami · 07-03-2005, 10:16 PM

The original working together was never done either!

L-1011-Heavy · 07-03-2005, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjorgemiami

The original working together was never done either!

Again... On The-12 (Ex Singapore) Mould. No Phoenix Suns Were In A -200.
Gemini Does Not Have That mould.

SouthwestAirlines103 · 07-03-2005, 10:53 PM

[quote=jjorgemiami]The original working together was never done either![/QUOTE

Yeah 757-200, i was just thinkin that

David Hingtgen · 07-03-2005, 11:37 PM

America West's early planes WERE quite yellowish. Note that "West" in "America West Airlines" is in grey instead of red. That's the earlier version of o/c. They are quite yellow.

Later, America West changed the "West" title to red to match the other part of the title, and lightened the paint. It's still off-white, but ever so slightly, it's like 1 drop of brown in 100 gallons of white. Much more subtle than say, Western off-white.

The 2-pack is America West's 732's at the very beginning, and very end, of their lives. Most people think of the later version of o/c as standard, but the GJ release is the earlier version of o/c. It's quite correct for that era.

PS--want to see one of those really yellow America West o/c 732's? Look here: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/218713/M/ Best example, plenty of others if you look around, earlier years are generally better.

aviatorisu · 07-04-2005, 12:11 AM

I never thought I'd find myself saying this, but Thank You David...

~Z~

David Hingtgen · 07-04-2005, 01:12 AM

Nitpicking works both ways.

JOHN JOHNSON · 07-04-2005, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aviatorisu

but Thank You David...

~Z~

Make him (Look at his avatar) that MD-11!

Then I'd love to watch two of you debate over errorness!

If there is none error and leaving him to have a clue comment a word than I'd be

!!!

JOHN JOHNSON · 07-04-2005, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hingtgen

Nitpicking works both ways.

I am dying to have that MD-11 House. Stay as who you are UNTIL our prayer have been answered!

L-1011-Heavy · 07-04-2005, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hingtgen

America West's early planes WERE quite yellowish. Note that "West" in "America West Airlines" is in grey instead of red. That's the earlier version of o/c. They are quite yellow.

Later, America West changed the "West" title to red to match the other part of the title, and lightened the paint. It's still off-white, but ever so slightly, it's like 1 drop of brown in 100 gallons of white. Much more subtle than say, Western off-white.

The 2-pack is America West's 732's at the very beginning, and very end, of their lives. Most people think of the later version of o/c as standard, but the GJ release is the earlier version of o/c. It's quite correct for that era.

PS--want to see one of those really yellow America West o/c 732's? Look here: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/218713/M/ Best example, plenty of others if you look around, earlier years are generally better.

Correct Me If I'm Wrong But Pic One Does Not Look Yellow. Looks Almost White & I Believe The Original Colors. This Pic Was Taken In 1983.

Pic Two Was Taken In 2000. The Poor Coloring Is A Combination Of The Sun
Glowing On The Plane & Poor Printing/Scanning. Gemini Opted For This Color.

I Am Very Sorry, I Am Not Nit Picking, Just Telling The Truth. This Does Not Match The Color Of My Big Birds.

& Why Do Poeple On This Forum Start A Battle Over A Model?
I Just Want Some Value For What I Buy.

David Hingtgen · 07-04-2005, 02:46 AM

America West o/c planes came in two variations. Off-white, and very off-white. Of course planes at sunset look yellow. But the ones that look yellowish in perfect lighting, are yellow. The link I posted is clearly not sunset. And no America West planes are pure white, they are ever so slightly barely off-white. The best source to tell that, is to find a photo or postcard of the Boeing factory flightline, that shows brand-new America West 737's sitting next to other brand-new 737's. You can tell that the America West ones are not pure white then, they don't match the other airline's 737's.

No accurate America West o/c plane will match the BigBird release, because the BigBird release is wrong. They painted it PURE white. It should be SLIGHTLY off-white. And the GJ one won't match it either, because it's the even older very off-white color. I do believe America West themselves requested it that way, and supplied the color to GJ for the "old, noticeably yellow" paint.

Just because it's different, don't assume it's wrong. Especially when your reference is BigBird, who are #1 for "inaccurate 747 paint". GJ is by far #1 when it comes to getting the correct color/shade of paint.

L-1011-Heavy · 07-04-2005, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hingtgen

America West o/c planes came in two variations. Off-white, and very off-white. Of course planes at sunset look yellow. But the ones that look yellowish in perfect lighting, are yellow. The link I posted is clearly not sunset. And no America West planes are pure white, they are ever so slightly barely off-white. The best source to tell that, is to find a photo or postcard of the Boeing factory flightline, that shows brand-new America West 737's sitting next to other brand-new 737's. You can tell that the America West ones are not pure white then, they don't match the other airline's 737's.

No accurate America West o/c plane will match the BigBird release, because the BigBird release is wrong. They painted it PURE white. It should be SLIGHTLY off-white. And the GJ one won't match it either, because it's the even older very off-white color. I do believe America West themselves requested it that way, and supplied the color to GJ for the "old, noticeably yellow" paint.

Just because it's different, don't assume it's wrong. Especially when your reference is BigBird, who are #1 for "inaccurate 747 paint". GJ is by far #1 when it comes to getting the correct color/shade of paint.

What You Are Saying About The "Original" Color Is Flawed. The Link Of The Pic You Posted Is Taken In 2002, So It Could Not Be A Representation Of What It Was In The Original Color.
As I Also Stated, Bad Printing/Scanning/Problems With Digital Photography Can Easily Give Incorrect Colors. Look At The Sky, It's Magenta, & The Plane Is Some Weird Yellow Leaning Towards Green. If You Ask Me, It's A Digital Problem.

I Now Corrected It. I Work In A Digital Lab.

L-1011-Heavy · 07-04-2005, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hingtgen

No accurate America West o/c plane will match the BigBird release, because the BigBird release is wrong. They painted it PURE white. It should be SLIGHTLY off-white. And the GJ one won't match it either, because it's the even older very off-white color. I do believe America West themselves requested it that way, and supplied the color to GJ for the "old, noticeably yellow" paint.

Just because it's different, don't assume it's wrong. Especially when your reference is BigBird, who are #1 for "inaccurate 747 paint". GJ is by far #1 when it comes to getting the correct color/shade of paint.

1 The Big Bird Is Close Enough For Me. & My Reference Is Not Big Bird, Look At Most Pics On ADN.

2 If Gemini Is By Far The #1 For Color Then How Do You Explain The Alitalia 777 & 747-100? The Green In The 777 Is About 10 Shades Lighter Than The 747. Even Within Thier Own Product Line, They Can't Get The Color Right.

And How Do You Explain The Landors? (777, DC-10 & 744 British Asia)
Those Have A Cream Cast & Are 4 Or 5 Shades Too Dark.

tbc · 07-04-2005, 10:03 AM

I would have thought most of you guys have been around since Tucano days. It's not the paint, it's not the plane, it's not the lighting, it's not the camera, it's not your eyes.

IT'S THE MONITOR !

L-1011-Heavy · 07-04-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbc

I would have thought most of you guys have been around since Tucano days. It's not the paint, it's not the plane, it's not the lighting, it's not the camera, it's not your eyes.

IT'S THE MONITOR !

Ahhh....Refreshing...A Little Levity To Break Up The Anger!

Dac Needs More Of This.

Actually From The Few Tucrappo I Have, They Have The Best Colors Except The Cathay Pacific 744 In The New Colors. (& The Funny Cockpit On The Eva Air 744)

Camera, Eyes, Monitor, Whatever Excuse, I Think The Comparison I Posted Says It All.

Even In A Commercial/Industrial Lab Such As The One I Work In, There Are Mant Variations Aside From Monitors, CAMERAS, Profiles, Color Correction Programs, We Deal With The Problems On A Daily Basis. We Handle A Minimum Of 4,500 Digital Pictures Daily & Have Learned To Deal With The Frustrations That Go With It.
When A Photographer Or Studio Has An Issue, We Don't Hide Behind A Rock & Say "Here's The Color Swatch" We Work With Them In A Respectful Manner & Try To Give Them A Product They Want. We Learn To Cater To The Kind Of Color They Want On An Individual Basis, & On Occassion We Will Re-Do A Job.
We Recently Took A Loss On A Very Large Mounted B&W Which Was Already Laminated & Mounted On Expensive Substrates Simply Because Someone In The Chain F**ked Up.

Before I Get Off Track, Here's A Fascinating Link To An Unnofficail History Of America West Airlines.
I Must Say, This Is One Of My Favorite Liveries, And The Story Itself Is as Epic As The Tale Of The Phoenix Itself.
Like The Phoenix Rising Out Of The Ashes, America West Was Founded Amongst The Peak Of The Deregulation Era, Where Giants In The Industry Were Failing & Facing Bankruptcy. Founded In The City Named Phoenix No Less, The Irony & Juxtapostion Is Simply Astounding.

It Is Too Bad they Will Soon Fly Under The US Airways Banner...

...Long Live Cactus Wings...

http://www.cactuswings.com/hp/history.html

PS Be Sure To Check Out the Home Page Of Thus Link. There Is Information On Fleet Listings & Route Maps As Well as Other Interesting Facts.

May The Fourth Be With You!

David Hingtgen · 07-04-2005, 06:52 PM

I think we have 2 separate arguments here. 1 regarding the GJ release specifically, and 1 about America West o/c fuselage paint. Quick summary of my points:

1. America West o/c, at all points, is slightly, barely off-white.
2. The GJ release is very obviously yellow, because a few, early, 737's were. The vast majority were not. The GJ release will not match most any photo you find, because most any photo you find is not one of the first 3 737's as delivered. The GJ 2-pack is the very first and last day of HP 737's--first plane as first delivered, and their last plane on its last flight. Not "typical 732 in the late 80's, and typcial 732 in n/c" If GJ were to make a different release, with a typical o/c 732, it would be of course be very very very very close to white.

From the very first time I ever saw an America West plane back in the 80's, they appeared off-white to me. Photos from the Boeing factory show them as being off-white, since they are surrounded by pure-white planes and they don't match those. Find some photos of America West o/c planes parked next to any other "white" airline.

Your color-corrected photo is still cream-colored. You've corrected it to match the other America West planes---thus, really close to white, but not quite. The photo exaggerated the off-whiteness, but it was there to begin with. Which is why I used it. No different than linking to an overexposed DL widget to show that it is in fact blue, not black. It is not intended to be an exact match, merely to make it obvious that it is not pure white (Am West) or pure black (DL widget).

As for GJ color--yes, there are mistakes. But they are better than anyone else.

Finally--from what I've read/asked, the first 3 or so America West 737's were painted differently, noticeably yellow. The model is N126AW, the very first America West plane. Again---the 2-pack is supposed to be the very beginning, and very end of America West's 737's. And the very first one did not match most of the rest of the fleet. Is the GJ model wrong for 98% of o/c planes? Yes. But it's not supposed to be a typical o/c plane, it's supposed to be the first, as first painted. It shouldn't match the others, because it is almost a one-off. AFAIK this release was commisioned by America West themselves--they wanted the very first 737 they had, when they first got it. That means very yellow paint, and partially grey titles. Am I certainy the very first planes were more yellow? No, but what I consider very trustworthy people said so, and is apparently what America West themselves said/requested/supplied for the model.

Ok--post finally. Yes, the GJ America West o/c is wrong for most any photo you'll ever find of an America West o/c 737. That's because it's not supposed to be a typicaly o/c 737. It's the first one, as first painted.

L-1011-Heavy · 07-04-2005, 08:19 PM

This Is Going Nowhere.
Again, Mabe I'm Wrong, But Here Is N128AW One Of The THREE In ORIGINAL Colors. Taken August 22, 1983 DELIVERY MONTH.
Doesn't Look Yellow To Me?

But You Are Correct About The Grey "West" See The First Pic In The First Posting On This Issue. It, Too Has The Grey West Titles. N129AW Taken In November, 1983.

nutsXplanes · 07-04-2005, 09:48 PM

we need a Boeing 727-116 Ladeco o/c. CC-CAG would be a good choice.

Regards!!

P/S: My monitor is just fine.

David Hingtgen · 07-04-2005, 10:22 PM

Ah, but it is not "going nowhere". You've convinced me that America West's first planes were not "noticeably off-white" as I had read/thought, and are the same color as all the other o/c planes. I will have to say GJ's release is far too yellow.

However---America West o/c overall, is still ever so *slightly* off-white. BB's pure white 747 is close, but not quite correct. (I do think AC goes a little overboard on their "cream" Western planes--it's very nice that they make them off-white, and I appreciate that, but I think it's done too strong). America West off-white is so subtle that it probably is in fact, best done by not doing anything at all, for it is that subtle. It's even closer to white than the belly of a Korean Airlines plane.

So basically--GJ is correct in it being "not white", but incorrect in that it's got way too much color. If it was pure white, it would be wrong, but look much closer.

Kind of like if someone made a DL widget plane with black stripes. It'd be wrong, but it'd look a lot better and closer than the "1,000 shades too light" blue that DW and Herpa do. GJ's the only place that ever does DL blue right, being about 1 drop of blue away from pure black.

L-1011-Heavy · 07-04-2005, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hingtgen

However---America West o/c overall, is still ever so *slightly* off-white. BB's pure white 747 is close, but not quite correct. (I do think AC goes a little overboard on their "cream" Western planes--it's very nice that they make them off-white, and I appreciate that, but I think it's done too strong). America West off-white is so subtle that it probably is in fact, best done by not doing anything at all, for it is that subtle. It's even closer to white than the belly of a Korean Airlines plane.

So basically--GJ is correct in it being "not white", but incorrect in that it's got way too much color. If it was pure white, it would be wrong, but look much closer.

Kind of like if someone made a DL widget plane with black stripes. It'd be wrong, but it'd look a lot better and closer than the "1,000 shades too light" blue that DW and Herpa do. GJ's the only place that ever does DL blue right, being about 1 drop of blue away from pure black.

I Certainly Agree With You On The Off White Of The AM West.
And You Have More Accurately Described The GJ Color.

And Yes, The Aeroclassics Western Is A Bit Cream, Too But Not Severe. It Has A Very Nostagic Look, Though.

Oh, The Widget Fleet. GJ, DW, Aurora, SMA,Navigator(The Final Hurrah Of Tucrappo) All Look Different, But I Suspect The Fleet Had At The Very Least
Inconsitencies, Too. But The Three DW I Got Are Very Close (762,763,MD-11 Jet-X) And Not Really Lighter Than My Gemini's Or Other Makes.
But Let's Not Go There. I'm Already Glad We Made A Settlement.
The Aurora DC-10 Is Close To Black, Though, But I Think The Real Thing Was.
Peace Out!

JOHN JOHNSON · 07-04-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

I Certainly Agree With You On The Off White Of The AM West.
And You Have More Accurately Described The GJ Color.

And Yes, The Aeroclassics Western Is A Bit Cream, Too But Not Severe. It Has A Very Nostagic Look, Though.

Oh, The Widget Fleet. GJ, DW, Aurora, SMA,Navigator(The Final Hurrah Of Tucrappo) All Look Different, But I Suspect The Fleet Had At The Very Least
Inconsitencies, Too. But The Three DW I Got Are Very Close (762,763,MD-11 Jet-X) And Not Really Lighter Than My Gemini's Or Other Makes.
But Let's Not Go There. I'm Already Glad We Made A Settlement.
The Aurora DC-10 Is Close To Black, Though, But I Think The Real T

07-03-2005, 10:05 PM	#2
L-1011-Heavy The Heavy One Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 45 Posts: 4,725	You Will Have To Ask Sovereign For That One. Its A -30 (Ex Lufthansa) Phoenix Suns Never Used the-200. Also, From What I Understand The Twinpack Was Commissioned By AW. Too Bad Gemini Made The Delivery Color Yellow Instead Of White. A Major Disappointment For Me As I Have Six Big Bird 747s. Looks Like I Can't Fleet Build Now. I Guess Gemini Used Thier Famous Color Swatch Again...Landors Come To Mind. __________________ *The Heavy Armada* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."*

07-03-2005, 10:16 PM	#3
jjorgemiami Complete Wacko! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MIAMI Age: 47 Posts: 5,666	The original working together was never done either! __________________ Fly United Airlines we are R I S I N G !

07-03-2005, 10:53 PM	#5
SouthwestAirlines103 Git-R-Done Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: HELL Age: 18 Posts: 850	[quote=jjorgemiami]The original working together was never done either![/QUOTE Yeah 757-200, i was just thinkin that __________________ Greg

07-03-2005, 11:37 PM	#6
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,987	America West's early planes WERE quite yellowish. Note that "West" in "America West Airlines" is in grey instead of red. That's the earlier version of o/c. They are quite yellow. Later, America West changed the "West" title to red to match the other part of the title, and lightened the paint. It's still off-white, but ever so slightly, it's like 1 drop of brown in 100 gallons of white. Much more subtle than say, Western off-white. The 2-pack is America West's 732's at the very beginning, and very end, of their lives. Most people think of the later version of o/c as standard, but the GJ release is the earlier version of o/c. It's quite correct for that era. PS--want to see one of those really yellow America West o/c 732's? Look here: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/218713/M/ Best example, plenty of others if you look around, earlier years are generally better. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!*

07-04-2005, 12:11 AM	#7
aviatorisu Cunning Linguist Join Date: Sep 2003 Age: 31 Posts: 1,282	I never thought I'd find myself saying this, but Thank You David... ~Z~ __________________ Aeroclassics = GreenBox = Pan Am Models = Andrew Klein

07-03-2005, 08:41 PM	#1
SouthwestAirlines103 Git-R-Done Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: HELL Age: 18 Posts: 850	Gemini, you missed somthing! Rember back a few months ago when we were seeing all those AWA releases. I knew somthing was left out. __________________ Greg

07-04-2005, 01:12 AM	#8
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,987	Nitpicking works both ways. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!*

07-04-2005, 02:46 AM	#12
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,987	America West o/c planes came in two variations. Off-white, and very off-white. Of course planes at sunset look yellow. But the ones that look yellowish in perfect lighting, are yellow. The link I posted is clearly not sunset. And no America West planes are pure white, they are ever so slightly barely off-white. The best source to tell that, is to find a photo or postcard of the Boeing factory flightline, that shows brand-new America West 737's sitting next to other brand-new 737's. You can tell that the America West ones are not pure white then, they don't match the other airline's 737's. No accurate America West o/c plane will match the BigBird release, because the BigBird release is wrong. They painted it PURE white. It should be SLIGHTLY off-white. And the GJ one won't match it either, because it's the even older very off-white color. I do believe America West themselves requested it that way, and supplied the color to GJ for the "old, noticeably yellow" paint. Just because it's different, don't assume it's wrong. Especially when your reference is BigBird, who are #1 for "inaccurate 747 paint". GJ is by far #1 when it comes to getting the correct color/shade of paint. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!*

07-04-2005, 10:03 AM	#15
tbc Collector Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 116	I would have thought most of you guys have been around since Tucano days. It's not the paint, it's not the plane, it's not the lighting, it's not the camera, it's not your eyes. IT'S THE MONITOR !

07-04-2005, 06:52 PM	#17
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,987	I think we have 2 separate arguments here. 1 regarding the GJ release specifically, and 1 about America West o/c fuselage paint. Quick summary of my points: 1. America West o/c, at all points, is slightly, barely off-white. 2. The GJ release is very obviously yellow, because a few, early, 737's were. The vast majority were not. The GJ release will not match most any photo you find, because most any photo you find is not one of the first 3 737's as delivered. The GJ 2-pack is the very first and last day of HP 737's--first plane as first delivered, and their last plane on its last flight. Not "typical 732 in the late 80's, and typcial 732 in n/c" If GJ were to make a different release, with a typical o/c 732, it would be of course be very very very very close to white. From the very first time I ever saw an America West plane back in the 80's, they appeared off-white to me. Photos from the Boeing factory show them as being off-white, since they are surrounded by pure-white planes and they don't match those. Find some photos of America West o/c planes parked next to any other "white" airline. Your color-corrected photo is still cream-colored. You've corrected it to match the other America West planes---thus, really close to white, but not quite. The photo exaggerated the off-whiteness, but it was there to begin with. Which is why I used it. No different than linking to an overexposed DL widget to show that it is in fact blue, not black. It is not intended to be an exact match, merely to make it obvious that it is not pure white (Am West) or pure black (DL widget). As for GJ color--yes, there are mistakes. But they are better than anyone else. Finally--from what I've read/asked, the first 3 or so America West 737's were painted differently, noticeably yellow. The model is N126AW, the very first America West plane. Again---the 2-pack is supposed to be the very beginning, and very end of America West's 737's. And the very first one did not match most of the rest of the fleet. Is the GJ model wrong for 98% of o/c planes? Yes. But it's not supposed to be a typical o/c plane, it's supposed to be the first, as first painted. It shouldn't match the others, because it is almost a one-off. AFAIK this release was commisioned by America West themselves--they wanted the very first 737 they had, when they first got it. That means very yellow paint, and partially grey titles. Am I certainy the very first planes were more yellow? No, but what I consider very trustworthy people said so, and is apparently what America West themselves said/requested/supplied for the model. Ok--post finally. Yes, the GJ America West o/c is wrong for most any photo you'll ever find of an America West o/c 737. That's because it's not supposed to be a typicaly o/c 737. It's the first one, as first painted. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!* Last edited by David Hingtgen; 07-04-2005 at 07:00 PM.

07-04-2005, 08:19 PM	#18
L-1011-Heavy The Heavy One Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 45 Posts: 4,725	This Is Going Nowhere. Again, Mabe I'm Wrong, But Here Is N128AW One Of The THREE In ORIGINAL Colors. Taken August 22, 1983 DELIVERY MONTH. Doesn't Look Yellow To Me? But You Are Correct About The Grey "West" See The First Pic In The First Posting On This Issue. It, Too Has The Grey West Titles. N129AW Taken In November, 1983. __________________ *The Heavy Armada* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."* Last edited by L-1011-Heavy; 08-08-2006 at 10:43 AM.

07-04-2005, 09:48 PM	#19
nutsXplanes Minister of Agriculture Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, California / 34.42850 N, 119.72190 W Age: 87 Posts: 2,083	we need a Boeing 727-116 Ladeco o/c. CC-CAG would be a good choice. Regards!! P/S: My monitor is just fine. __________________ Yuri Germán Erasmo Rivera Montes Ladeco Línea Aérea del Cobre "...y no corras más muchacha, corazón de tiza cuando todo pase, te robaré un color y no corras más muchachaaaaaa" "Almendra- Argentina" Note: Diecasts for Nuts Foundation is currently accepting donations. Please be adviced that this donations are not tax deductible. God Bless You BROWN & PROUD

07-04-2005, 10:22 PM	#20
David Hingtgen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,987	Ah, but it is not "going nowhere". You've convinced me that America West's first planes were not "noticeably off-white" as I had read/thought, and are the same color as all the other o/c planes. I will have to say GJ's release is far too yellow. However---America West o/c overall, is still ever so slightly off-white. BB's pure white 747 is close, but not quite correct. (I do think AC goes a little overboard on their "cream" Western planes--it's very nice that they make them off-white, and I appreciate that, but I think it's done too strong). America West off-white is so subtle that it probably is in fact, best done by not doing anything at all, for it is that subtle. It's even closer to white than the belly of a Korean Airlines plane. So basically--GJ is correct in it being "not white", but incorrect in that it's got way too much color. If it was pure white, it would be wrong, but look much closer. Kind of like if someone made a DL widget plane with black stripes. It'd be wrong, but it'd look a lot better and closer than the "1,000 shades too light" blue that DW and Herpa do. GJ's the only place that ever does DL blue right, being about 1 drop of blue away from pure black. __________________ *We need more TWA twin-stripes!* Last edited by David Hingtgen; 07-04-2005 at 10:25 PM.