AIRWEST N9345

Well I went over to AdamJets today and picked up my Western 720B, making sure of course I had my electron scanning microscope with me It's perfect! paint colors look correct, the registration is right! and I even counted the windows! Kudos to Aeroclassics on this one!

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ba777-236

I find it amusing that a thread which bashes a model (the one about the 707), gets over 40 responses, yet a thread complimenting one, simply gets ignored!

I sometimes think that this hobby thrives on negativity

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Faheem Ahmed

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Faheem Is Very Observant & Correct. It seems People Here Collect Negativty Instead Of Models.(Perhaps A New Forum Is in Order?)
I Can't Comment On The 720 As It's Not In My Budget But I'm Happy To Say I Will Be getting The 707. Incorrect Reg# Or Not, It's The Most Nostagic 707 Model To Date. I'm Lucky Enough To Have One On Reserve.

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goldy

So does society in general, Faheem. The reason why the National Equirer is higher in readership than Sports Illustrated or Maxim. Why the Oprah and Springer shows viewership exceeds that of any other daytime TV show. People like to witness or be involved in turmoil and controversy.

If I post a topic titled "Klien fugged up again" and then proceeded to tell, in the text, how AeroClassics was virtually incapable of screwing up a model and that I was getting sick and tired of time after time of buying AeroClassic models only to find that they were flawless and that I wanted at least one mistake ridden model for a change. I bet I'd get some discussion on it.

Goldy

DavidMich

Will someone kindly explain what the hell a "brickbat" is?

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aklein707

I'll be in agreement with David today, and ask the same question!

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[quote=DavidMich]Will someone kindly explain what the hell a "brickbat" is?[/QUOTe

A kin to a wombat?

Goldy

sammyk

Don't know if you're being serious or not, but if you are it's just a negative remark, or something along those lines.

goldy

Brickbat fought Colossus during the Brood Mutants' skirmish with the X-Men. He was slain when a building collapsed, and he was impaled upon a support beam.

Brickbat possessed the mutant powers of superhuman durability and strength comparable to that of Colossus (class 70).

--Uncanny X-Men #231-232

This was a significant event in the chronicals of the X-Men. Don't you guys remember it? Beyond that I think a "brickbat" is a term used for something akin to the opposite of excellence. No brickbat would mean not a piece of crap, I assume.

Goldy

Tracon Doug

brickbat

SYLLABICATION: brick·bat

PRONUNCIATION: brkbt

NOUN: 1. A piece, especially of brick, used as a weapon or missile. 2. An unfavorable remark; a criticism.

ETYMOLOGY: brick + bat1, piece of brick.

WORD HISTORY: The earliest sense of brickbat, first recorded in 1563, was “a piece of brick.” Such pieces of brick have not infrequently been thrown at others in the hope of injuring them; hence, the figurative brickbats (first recorded in 1929) that critics hurl at performances they dislike. The appearance of bat as the second part of this compound is explained by the fact that the word bat, “war club, cudgel,” developed in Middle English the sense “chunk, clod, wad,” and in the 16th century came to be used specifically for a piece of brick that was unbroken on one end.

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goldy

Like I said, the opposite of excellence. A negative reaction to something that is not well liked. I recall seeing the movies where the actors were pelted with tomatoes at the end of their bad preformances. The tomatoes would be the "brickbats", it seems.

Goldy

jetstar

I would have bought this model if it had been in the swizzle stick early 70s livery...we have enough indian heads...

I agree, Mr. Klein's B720s are fantastic!

Bigbird400

I like most Aeroclassics and think that all are good. Having every B707, B720, TU154, Electra and DC6 would say it all. They get better over the years and even I nag on mistakes just as we all do but at the end of the day, I am glad I buy them. Lets Nag less on DAC and enjoy our hobby to the fullest. Lets face it, I bet most of us fault models but we still go out and buy them.....

Sorry, missed out that I have every B720 as well.

ELY707

Negativity is a major attraction to human nature. How many people stop and stare at a building on fire or a vehicle accident? Go check out a hockey game, your team scores , the fans cheer...2 players start a fight the whole place goes nuts! Flaws in these models all fall in this negativity category unfortunately, especially major flaws.

I have a question for Andrew and any other manufacturer who may read this:
Let's say a major airline were to place an order for 500 pcs. of a certain model. Upon delivery the CEO finds an error with the reg # or a mis-spelling and refuses the whole lot. What do you do?

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Chansen

Faheem just look at the television news of any station. Which story are they more likely to show and do show. Those of death, destruction, mystery, and controversy. Same goes here!

rogerza

i disagree. i think this hobby (and every other forum i've had the misfortune to be on) thrives on people with inferiority complexes wanting to be heard. its much easier to spout on an email list or web forum than to do it in real life. i'm pretty sure most of the people i reagard as idiots on these forums are pretty normal guys in real life too.

the problem with this hobby specifically is that people tend to take sides and don't see any middle ground. for example, if i were to disagree with anything andrew klein says (which i have in the past), or critiscize something on an Aeroclassics model (which I haven't done yet), i could already list exactly who's gonna reply to that thread, what they're going to say, and which one of them is going to call me a moron in big green letters.

people just need to let others have opinions, even if its different opinions to their own. the reason that thread which "bashed" the aeroclassics model got so many responses, is cause the AK fan club just HAD to get involved and accuse everyone who cherishes Reg #'s as being some kind of fruitcake. i mean, stuff like "how can they enjoy the hobby if they think Reg's are important," "they have no lives," blah blah blah.... all rubbish. and then the anti-andrew fan club feels a need to jump in with their comments and before you know it, 40 posts later - none of which actually addressed anything.

we all know that andrew (whether we love or hate him) is passionate about his models, and an error probably pisses him off more than it pisses any one of us off. but i don't think its fair to castigate someone who points out an error and accuse that person of having an agenda, or no life, or whatever other insult we feel needs to be applied to anyone who dares do such a thing!

so there Faheem, that's why there were 40 posts!

-r

aklein707

Good question; the entire lot is rejected!! As I explained on 400SH, the WA 707 were shipped sight unseen due to me not being in China that week. Once they are shipped, and they are shipped to multiple locations worldwide, it is impossible to recall them. If it is a glaring error, such as WESTERN spelled WESTRUN, the lot is rejected, and those receiving them are asked to destroy them. (something that didn't quite happen with TWA 707 & BA VC-10, as Virginfans seems to have one on ebay each week, but that's a different issue)
The WA 707 was pointed out to me a week after they arrived at the distributors/dealers, and considering the error is NOT as agregious as some would have you beleive, nothing was done, except to properly deal with the culpret in QC at the factory. The basic components of the registration were present, N prefix for USA and W suffix for WESTERN were present; 1052 iso 1502 does not warrant further steps which would cause more logistical problems then they are worth. Don't think for a moment that I have not envoked my wrath on those responsible, however, let's keep things in perspective; there are diecast model planes, not human organs; nobody's life will be altered by this error; time to move on!!
Have great Summers, where ever you are, what ever you're doing!!
Andrew Klein
Hainan Island

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Enjoying aviation from a "TSA-free Zone"!!
Take the money-grab & deceit out of our hobby, and bring back ethics and quality!!
Just say NO to BluBucks/Nutz Models/JC Models/Junk-X/First Choice/C&C/IF400/AV400/Magic/Blue Angle/5stars & any BigBirds (real or fake)

fazeman

I could use some more swizzle stick releases. If I had it my way, I would have called the scheme sizzle sticks. It resembles a branding iron like the old west.

Steve