AC Western B-707 with bad "N" Number

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-20-2005, 08:56 PM

I have heard that the just out Western 707 has a registration error. Instead of N1502W the model has N1052W on it. If that is true, I'll have to pass on that one. I'm sure it looks great, but if the reg is bad, then the model is historically incorrect. Hope the 720B is correct.

N. Eberhard · 06-20-2005, 11:25 PM

The numbers are pretty small, in fact if I look at the model from a normal distance of say 18-24" I can't read the bloody things to begin with. Thank God I collect models and not reg. #s because we won't see another one of these made for a long, long time.

L-1011-Heavy · 06-21-2005, 09:28 AM

Despite The Fact That I Collect Fleets With Different Reg#s, This Is A Small Issue In This Case. Try Reading It Without A Magnifier.
This Is Not As Big A Problem As The k "O" REAN With The Small K And Oversized Ying Yang.
And There Are No Issues With The Upper Windows.

I Will Get The Western ( And We Can Thank AK That It's Not Spelled "Westrurn"

Kozmania · 06-21-2005, 10:47 AM

Last time I checked, the New AC/ Western 707 has the following...

4 engines
Correct #1 pylon
2 wings
2 stabilizers
1 tail w/ antenna
1 nose gear w/ 2 tyres
2 main gear w/ 4 tyres each
and yes, the correct spelling of "Western"

By the way, it also looks great on my shelf with every other Western Airlines release to date.

Chansen · 06-21-2005, 10:50 AM

As I recall Jet-X had a similar problem with their DC-10 Continental's. And those and these look great.

N2272V · 06-21-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRWEST N9345

I have heard that the just out Western 707 has a registration error. Instead of N1502W the model has N1052W on it. If that is true, I'll have to pass on that one. I'm sure it looks great, but if the reg is bad, then the model is historically incorrect. Hope the 720B is correct.

Although it is nice to have the correct registration on these models, I doubt that Andrew Klein or many others who collect AC's will lose much sleep over this one.

Carry on!

KenB · 06-21-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

The numbers are pretty small, in fact if I look at the model from a normal distance of say 18-24" I can't read the bloody things to begin with. Thank God I collect models and not reg. #s because we won't see another one of these made for a long, long time.

I'm with you. I have never understood how people this obsessed with accuracy can enjoy the hobby.

ELY707 · 06-21-2005, 08:40 PM

I really don't think it's an obsession for accuracy. Why do the manufacturers actually waste their time and money to tampo print a legible registration to begin with if it's so small and you seem not to care about it. They can just scribble some paint in that area and you can pretend it's what ever you want it to be. I think not! Regis are important and a vital aspect of this hobby.Errors are starting to get out of hand across the Pacific.

Flying Ace · 06-22-2005, 12:04 AM

I personally have never encountered this situation in my collecting with the models errors in registration, so I don't know how I would react to it if it ever came up on a model that I was intending on getting. Individuals will react differently to what appeals to or does not appeal to them about certain models.

I personally think obsession is a good thing, as some will accept anything and buy alot. If an incorrect reg is an issue for someone, so what is the problem. What I find particularly perplexing is a statement along the lines like this:

"I have never understood how people this obsessed with accuracy can enjoy the hobby," which comes from a individual reputed for consistently critical of of the Dragon Wings brand of models.

I guess level of obsession is in the eye of the collector.

I find myself becoming increasingly more discriminating in the evaluation of my purchases and I am having far more enjoyment now than when I got back into it 5 years ago... and the process is paying dividends in the collection by obtaining some of the very finest models available today...and not settling for second rate and mistakes. Go figure.

Tokyo2040 · 06-22-2005, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by KenB

I'm with you. I have never understood how people this obsessed with accuracy can enjoy the hobby.

Some people enjoy this hobby because they amaze the accuracy that these little planes can be. This is something that you can never understand.

fazeman · 06-22-2005, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kozmania

Last time I checked, the New AC/ Western 707 has the following...

4 engines
Correct #1 pylon
2 wings
2 stabilizers
1 tail w/ antenna
1 nose gear w/ 2 tyres
2 main gear w/ 4 tyres each
and yes, the correct spelling of "Western"

By the way, it also looks great on my shelf with every other Western Airlines release to date.

Prior to production, the manufacturers need to ensure that the aircraft registration number is correct on their Quality Control checklist. Historically correct registration numbers are just as important as the items on your checklist. The integrity of this hobby depends on the diligent efforts of the manufacturer and the reactions of our fellow enthusiasts to their product (good or bad).

Steve

N. Eberhard · 06-22-2005, 06:19 AM

I would like to see anybody here do as well as Andrew does when it comes to accuracy on his models. NO ONE here will do as well because no one here has the time nor the dedication nor the money. Unless you plan to camp out on the factory floor 24/7 then I guarantee you that there will be mistakes. Always has been and always will be.

Sure, bring the mistakes up but don't have the 'holier than thou' attitude about it. The integrity of the hobby does not depend on having everything perfect. If it did then we would never have had Schabak or 'beluga-nosed' Herpa 767s or Herpa 'tractor tires' !!!

Tokyo2040 · 06-22-2005, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by N. Eberhard

I would like to see anybody here do as well as Andrew does when it comes to accuracy on his models. NO ONE here will do as well because no one here has the time nor the dedication nor the money. Unless you plan to camp out on the factory floor 24/7 then I guarantee you that there will be mistakes. Always has been and always will be.

Sure, bring the mistakes up but don't have the 'holier than thou' attitude about it. The integrity of the hobby does not depend on having everything perfect. If it did then we would never have had Schabak or 'beluga-nosed' Herpa 767s or Herpa 'tractor tires' !!!

There is a big difference here. Andrew is running a business and he gets money from doing these checking accuracy thing. We are customers and we spend money in getting these things. Of course, we always have the right to say NO.

Kozmania · 06-22-2005, 10:37 AM

If I bought my models based only on "exact accuracy" I would probably have 7 or 8 instead of over 120.

But, I don't have NTSB officials coming over to my house to make sure the Reg's are accurate, and for some of those that are accurate, I have doubles... What airline does "that!?" 2 aircraft with the same Reg is illegal.

Besides, if you really wanna get picky, one of the biggest crimes of all time is using 1/500 buildings, Jetways and GSE with 1/400 aircraft!

MY GOD!!! Those poor people, hunched over like Quasi Moto boarding their flights.

Come on already...

Is it a blemish? I guess, and yes the customer has the final "Yes/No" when buying. However, I assure you, more will continue to say "Yes" when buying Andrew's product and anybody else’s product that fits our collections.

This is a hobby for all of us to enjoy. When are we all going to start talking about the "positive" stuff and stop being so hypocritical?

ELY707 · 06-22-2005, 11:19 AM

Koz, there is no hypocracy here at all. They are all just opinions,be they positive or negative. I don't understand something here though, if regi accuracy isn't important to you, then why were you so elated when AC released Continental regi 202. Now maybe you understand and really see where the hypocracy lies.

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-22-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kozmania

If I bought my models based only on "exact accuracy" I would probably have 7 or 8 instead of over 120.

But, I don't have NTSB officials coming over to my house to make sure the Reg's are accurate, and for some of those that are accurate, I have doubles... What airline does "that!?" 2 aircraft with the same Reg is illegal.

Besides, if you really wanna get picky, one of the biggest crimes of all time is using 1/500 buildings, Jetways and GSE with 1/400 aircraft!

MY GOD!!! Those poor people, hunched over like Quasi Moto boarding their flights.

Come on already...

Is it a blemish? I guess, and yes the customer has the final "Yes/No" when buying. However, I assure you, more will continue to say "Yes" when buying Andrew's product and anybody else’s product that fits our collections.

This is a hobby for all of us to enjoy. When are we all going to start talking about the "positive" stuff and stop being so hypocritical?

First off it would be the FAA coming over to your house, not the NTSB..

As for the practice of using 1/500 GSE in a 1/400 setting, well that is a personal choice, in a personal layout setting. However a model with a bad registration is historically inaccurate. The tail number is the cornerstone of the model, if your going to go to all the trouble of making the mould correctly, making sure that the paint scheme is dead on accurate, and then screw up the registration...whats the point of doing it right at all. As I pointed out in a posting over at 400SH, I'm starting to suspect that a lot of the buyers of these models only involvment in aviation, is in collecting these just for the sake of checking off another model on their list, and to have a pretty painted object to look at. Those of us involved professionally in aviation one way or the other, tend to be detail freaks...it tends to go with the territory. For me these models are just a sideline of a much larger aviation collection...they are not my main focus, I can take em or leave em..and I dont mind waiting for them to be done right. Bottom line for me. I will not buy a model with a bad tail number, or with any other obvious defect. And while AC does indeed, as a rule set the standard for detail and accuracy, they dropped the ball on this one. The whole lot should be recalled and reissued correctly.

Flying Ace · 06-22-2005, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kozmania

Those poor people, hunched over like Quasi Moto boarding their flights.

What I'd like to know is what or who is a Quasi Moto?...as opposed to Victor Hugo's Quasimodo character in the french classic The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

Kozmania · 06-22-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

What I'd like to know is what or who is a Quasi Moto

Pax must have a first and last name...

Kozmania · 06-22-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ELY707

Koz, there is no hypocracy here at all. They are all just opinions,be they positive or negative. I don't understand something here though, if regi accuracy isn't important to you, then why were you so elated when AC released Continental regi 202. Now maybe you understand and really see where the hypocracy lies.

Ship 202 was cool because my dad worked it along with the other Continental releases. However, I would have bought it either way.

Flying Ace · 06-22-2005, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRWEST N9345

I'm starting to suspect that a lot of the buyers of these models only involvment in aviation, is in collecting these just for the sake of checking off another model on their list, and to have a pretty painted object to look at.

Did you hit the target...alot of double standards also from among certain camps. But rather than fight a losing battle, may I suggest to become familiar with the vast offering of models out there. Keep in mind these things are mass produced and machined. There are other manufacturers that will cater to your standards.

Chansen · 06-22-2005, 01:20 PM

So the two in the middle of the registration are transposed. I thought I was anal! Say hello to Howard Hughes while you are at it.

aklein707 · 06-22-2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRWEST N9345

First off it would be the FAA coming over to your house, not the NTSB..

As for the practice of using 1/500 GSE in a 1/400 setting, well that is a personal choice, in a personal layout setting. However a model with a bad registration is historically inaccurate. The tail number is the cornerstone of the model, if your going to go to all the trouble of making the mould correctly, making sure that the paint scheme is dead on accurate, and then screw up the registration...whats the point of doing it right at all. As I pointed out in a posting over at 400SH, I'm starting to suspect that a lot of the buyers of these models only involvment in aviation, is in collecting these just for the sake of checking off another model on their list, and to have a pretty painted object to look at. Those of us involved professionally in aviation one way or the other, tend to be detail freaks...it tends to go with the territory. For me these models are just a sideline of a much larger aviation collection...they are not my main focus, I can take em or leave em..and I dont mind waiting for them to be done right. Bottom line for me. I will not buy a model with a bad tail number, or with any other obvious defect. And while AC does indeed, as a rule set the standard for detail and accuracy, they dropped the ball on this one. The whole lot should be recalled and reissued correctly.

If you have got the time, money, and logistical resources to deal with a recall, I invite you to do so; otherwise STFU already!!!!
You don't like the model, then don't f-king buy it; just stop trying to poison the hobby for those who do like it with your poisonous, hipocritical, & hollyer then thou rhetoric!

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-22-2005, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aklein707

If you have got the time, money, and logistical resources to deal with a recall, I invite you to do so; otherwise STFU already!!!!
You don't like the model, then don't f-king buy it; just stop trying to poison the hobby for those who do like it with your poisonous, hipocritical, & hollyer then thou rhetoric!

You mean poison your sales of the model in question don't you?? As it appears, there are those out there who agree with me that this error IS A BIG DEAL. It sounds like you could do with an attitude adjustment!

KenB · 06-22-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying Ace

"I have never understood how people this obsessed with accuracy can enjoy the hobby," which comes from a individual reputed for consistently critical of of the Dragon Wings brand of models.

I have criticized Dragon for using the wrong colors on occasion, poor customer service, landing gear and other parts that fall off, unimaginative or repetitive releases, and poor moulds (in a few cases). In short, I have criticiz

06-21-2005, 09:28 AM	#3
L-1011-Heavy The Heavy One Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada, Eh? Trijets & Landors 4 EVER Age: 45 Posts: 4,725	Despite The Fact That I Collect Fleets With Different Reg#s, This Is A Small Issue In This Case. Try Reading It Without A Magnifier. This Is Not As Big A Problem As The k "O" REAN With The Small K And Oversized Ying Yang. And There Are No Issues With The Upper Windows. I Will Get The Western ( And We Can Thank AK That It's Not Spelled "Westrurn" __________________ *The Heavy Armada* *"In The Absence Of Excellence, There Is Only Mediocrity."*

06-21-2005, 10:47 AM	#4
Kozmania Retro "West Coaster" Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 402	Last time I checked, the New AC/ Western 707 has the following... 4 engines Correct #1 pylon 2 wings 2 stabilizers 1 tail w/ antenna 1 nose gear w/ 2 tyres 2 main gear w/ 4 tyres each and yes, the correct spelling of "Western" By the way, it also looks great on my shelf with every other Western Airlines release to date. __________________ Switching to departure - Good day... Kozmania Aircraft at the "Casa de Koz" http://www.wings900.com/modeldatabas...ic.php?id=2871 Last edited by Kozmania; 06-21-2005 at 11:05 AM.

06-21-2005, 08:40 PM	#8
ELY707 insane collector Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 419	I really don't think it's an obsession for accuracy. Why do the manufacturers actually waste their time and money to tampo print a legible registration to begin with if it's so small and you seem not to care about it. They can just scribble some paint in that area and you can pretend it's what ever you want it to be. I think not! Regis are important and a vital aspect of this hobby.Errors are starting to get out of hand across the Pacific. __________________ Approaching model number 1300 and loving every minute of it!

06-22-2005, 12:04 AM	#9
Flying Ace Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,150	I personally have never encountered this situation in my collecting with the models errors in registration, so I don't know how I would react to it if it ever came up on a model that I was intending on getting. Individuals will react differently to what appeals to or does not appeal to them about certain models. I personally think obsession is a good thing, as some will accept anything and buy alot. If an incorrect reg is an issue for someone, so what is the problem. What I find particularly perplexing is a statement along the lines like this: "I have never understood how people this obsessed with accuracy can enjoy the hobby," which comes from a individual reputed for consistently critical of of the Dragon Wings brand of models. I guess level of obsession is in the eye of the collector. I find myself becoming increasingly more discriminating in the evaluation of my purchases and I am having far more enjoyment now than when I got back into it 5 years ago... and the process is paying dividends in the collection by obtaining some of the very finest models available today...and not settling for second rate and mistakes. Go figure. Last edited by Flying Ace; 06-22-2005 at 12:21 AM.

06-22-2005, 10:37 AM	#14
Kozmania Retro "West Coaster" Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 402	If I bought my models based only on "exact accuracy" I would probably have 7 or 8 instead of over 120. But, I don't have NTSB officials coming over to my house to make sure the Reg's are accurate, and for some of those that are accurate, I have doubles... What airline does "that!?" 2 aircraft with the same Reg is illegal. Besides, if you really wanna get picky, one of the biggest crimes of all time is using 1/500 buildings, Jetways and GSE with 1/400 aircraft! MY GOD!!! Those poor people, hunched over like Quasi Moto boarding their flights. Come on already... Is it a blemish? I guess, and yes the customer has the final "Yes/No" when buying. However, I assure you, more will continue to say "Yes" when buying Andrew's product and anybody else’s product that fits our collections. This is a hobby for all of us to enjoy. When are we all going to start talking about the "positive" stuff and stop being so hypocritical? __________________ Switching to departure - Good day... Kozmania Aircraft at the "Casa de Koz" http://www.wings900.com/modeldatabas...ic.php?id=2871

06-20-2005, 08:56 PM	#1
AIRWEST N9345 Classic Jet Collector Join Date: May 2005 Location: Miami,FL USA Age: 50 Posts: 110	AC Western B-707 with bad "N" Number I have heard that the just out Western 707 has a registration error. Instead of N1502W the model has N1052W on it. If that is true, I'll have to pass on that one. I'm sure it looks great, but if the reg is bad, then the model is historically incorrect. Hope the 720B is correct. __________________ Retro Jets and Retro Airports from 1972 and earlier rule! No Freaking Airbuses, No freaking dot.com paint schemes either!, And Southwest Airlines was a pissant carrier that few had heard of!

06-20-2005, 11:25 PM	#2
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,511	The numbers are pretty small, in fact if I look at the model from a normal distance of say 18-24" I can't read the bloody things to begin with. Thank God I collect models and not reg. #s because we won't see another one of these made for a long, long time.

06-21-2005, 10:50 AM	#5
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,017	As I recall Jet-X had a similar problem with their DC-10 Continental's. And those and these look great.

06-22-2005, 06:19 AM	#12
N. Eberhard Dr. Diecast I presume? Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 44 Posts: 3,511	I would like to see anybody here do as well as Andrew does when it comes to accuracy on his models. NO ONE here will do as well because no one here has the time nor the dedication nor the money. Unless you plan to camp out on the factory floor 24/7 then I guarantee you that there will be mistakes. Always has been and always will be. Sure, bring the mistakes up but don't have the 'holier than thou' attitude about it. The integrity of the hobby does not depend on having everything perfect. If it did then we would never have had Schabak or 'beluga-nosed' Herpa 767s or Herpa 'tractor tires' !!!

06-22-2005, 11:19 AM	#15
ELY707 insane collector Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 43 Posts: 419	Koz, there is no hypocracy here at all. They are all just opinions,be they positive or negative. I don't understand something here though, if regi accuracy isn't important to you, then why were you so elated when AC released Continental regi 202. Now maybe you understand and really see where the hypocracy lies. __________________ Approaching model number 1300 and loving every minute of it!

06-22-2005, 01:20 PM	#21
Chansen Complete Wacko! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 3,017	So the two in the middle of the registration are transposed. I thought I was anal! Say hello to Howard Hughes while you are at it.