AC Western B-707 with bad "N" Number - Page 2

DavidMich · 06-27-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by crownvic

When I buy a 1:400 scale model and there is a mistake like a registration error, I feel it is absolutely inexcuseable and I immediately use said model for toilet paper and wipe my a** with it. Lots of fun especially if you have diarreha. The thin wings work best for scraping....

ARGHHH! Russ, my mind's eye is scarred again!

ZX1100F1 · 06-27-2005, 06:20 PM

In my collection I have several models with imperfection be it Reg #'s, misspellings, backwards insignia, wrong type wing, pylons, the list goes on forever and it hasn't changed my life in the slightest! (Thank fukking God!).

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-27-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ZX1100F1

In my collection I have several models with imperfection be it Reg #'s, misspellings, backwards insignia, wrong type wing, pylons, the list goes on forever and it hasn't changed my life in the slightest! (Thank fukking God!).

They would not change my life either..as any model with bad reg's, misspellings,backwards insignia etc..would be immediately tossed in the trash! Of course I would not have bought them to begin with, so for me it's a moot point. As long as the mfg of these models think they can sell them with major errors, then they have no reason to tighten quality control. The more collectors who are willing to stand up to the makers of these models and say "no way am I buying crap work" we then can cut these screwups down to next to nothing.

Chansen · 06-27-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

Be easy on these poor guys Craig, if it were not for these mistakes, certain collectors would have nothing to do in life as they live to complain and really have no life other than these little toy airplanes

I think I saw a movie like this before!

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-27-2005, 07:11 PM

Well that seems a bit extreme...I'm more of a chinese water torture kind of guy :-)

Chansen · 06-27-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRWEST N9345

Well that seems a bit extreme...I'm more of a chinese water torture kind of guy :-)

The movie was Grumpy Old Men and that was a fish!

DavidMich · 06-27-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AIRWEST N9345

Well that seems a bit extreme...I'm more of a chinese water torture kind of guy :-)

I'm more of a car battery hooked up to the nuts kinda guy myself.

RutleFan · 06-27-2005, 09:17 PM

Bottom line is that the market will determine the significance of an wrong reg # on an otherwise beautiful and impressively accurate (by any standard) release. Apparently, most who are willing to pay $30+ for a little model can live with an honest (and atypical) mistake.

Hope AC keeps releasing Westerns. Could use some classic World's as well.

fazeman · 06-27-2005, 09:18 PM

I'm not going to burn any bridges by refusing to purchase from a given manufacturer. But, I will refuse to buy aircraft with obvious mistakes such as the items mentioned in this and other threads. Let the retailers hold these misfits. The Aeroclassics bridge is one of those flimsy structures that connect high mountain cliffs. Without mentioning quality control, it is their public relations that makes for a shaky walk. Damn it, this lighter doesn't work!

Steve :

STEVEJ · 06-27-2005, 10:31 PM

I quess that eveyone has different interests in the hobby, I could care less about a registration number, hell can't read them anyhow, but since we opened the door here, I did jump all over GJ about the numerous mistakes on the AAL DC-6, and although they never admitted any errors they flamed back at me that they just supplied the box, AC supplied the model, so the question begs, WTF happen here?

JustPlaneCrazy · 06-27-2005, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by STEVEJ

AC supplied the model, so I have to ask WTF happen here?

A mistake, just like every human being makes, also like Dragon, Gemini, Jet-X, Herpa, etc all make, it's just that the same people who like to throw stones at Andrew point out every mistake he makes.

But, I have learned to just ignore those morons as they really are not adding anything to the hobby, just people who like to complain and poke at Andrew cause they have no life outside these forums....

Bottom line, if you don't like something, don't buy it, it's very simple. There are many releases by all companies I do not like for some reason or another, but I rarely point the mistakes out, I just don't buy them, simple...

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-27-2005, 11:37 PM

These two threads I started..The one where I condemned the WA 707 release, and the one where I prased the WA 720B..proving that I'm not the Klein hater some of you have made me out to be, have also been of help to me in another way. It's allowed me as a relative newbie to identify the sane...and the insane among you! Many thanks for your help! :-)

STEVEJ · 06-28-2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JustPlaneCrazy

A mistake, just like every human being makes, also like Dragon, Gemini, Jet-X, Herpa, etc all make, it's just that the same people who like to throw stones at Andrew point out every mistake he makes.

But, I have learned to just ignore those morons as they really are not adding anything to the hobby, just people who like to complain and poke at Andrew cause they have no life outside these forums....

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We will ignore the "moron" reference for now as in the past when I have something to say about one of Kleins models I always refer to AC not AK, but looking over past threads he doesn't seem to hold back much about what he thinks about other manufactorers releases and in most cases he downright unfair and juvinile in his critiques, example his lastest shot DW A-380. If I thought the mistakes on the AAL DC-6 were as simple as "just a mistake'" I wouldn't bring it up, but this was a major "most wanted" release, and since he was able to get it right the first time it was released, I don't feel I am out of line asking why he couldn,t get right the second time! As for not buying it, I did buy it, and I fixed it myself, just another moron not adding anything to the hobby, just replacing what should have been there to begin with!

goldy · 06-28-2005, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AIRWEST N9345

These two threads I started..The one where I condemned the WA 707 release, and the one where I prased the WA 720B..proving that I'm not the Klein hater some of you have made me out to be, have also been of help to me in another way. It's allowed me as a relative newbie to identify the sane...and the insane among you! Many thanks for your help! :-)

sane=collectable
insane=toy

Goldy

hmmm. hey, who are the insane ones? In your opinion, anyway. I have my ideas too.

JustPlaneCrazy · 06-28-2005, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by STEVEJ

but looking over past threads he doesn't seem to hold back much about what he thinks about other manufactorers releases and in most cases he downright unfair and juvinile in his critiques,

Well, unless you work for those other companies, why do you care what somebody says about a company you have no affiliation with?

That's kind of strange....

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If I thought the mistakes on the AAL DC-6 were as simple as "just a mistake'" I wouldn't bring it up, but this was a major "most wanted" release, and since he was able to get it right the first time it was released, I don't feel I am out of line asking why he couldn,t get right the second time!

Again, mistakes were made, as a free human being, you can do whatever you like, buy it or not but that is how it was released and no matter how much talking or complaining, it still won't change the fact. I know Andrew personally and I guarantee those mistakes were not made intentionally like some would have you believe. You really think AK said to the factory "let's screw this one up so everyone will complain....get real.....

You should read my post, I never called anyone particular a moron just the people who like to continually poke at Aeroclassics and none of the other companies who make mistakes all the time. Maybe Andrew takes shots at the other companies because certain people keep taking shots at his?

Things that make you go...hmmmmmmm

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-28-2005, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by goldy

sane=collectable
insane=toy

Goldy

hmmm. hey, who are the insane ones? In your opinion, anyway. I have my ideas too.

Well there a couple that stand out as being possibly suspect, without naming names, one likes to write large green words, the other lists his occupation as an attorney in D.C.,...of course on that one it could be that I'm prejudiced, as I despise lawyers as a rule...I put them right up there with used car dealers and pawn brokers!

STEVEJ · 06-28-2005, 01:49 AM

I assure you I don't know anyone who makes or sells these things, as a matter of fact I don't even know anyone else who collects these outside of these forums. I think I have been fair in my critiques over the past, I have almost 400 models with an opinion of each one , almost all of which I keep to myself, but when a model is exceptionally good I will mention it and when one is in in my opinion lacking. I will also mention it, regardless of who released it. I thought that is what these forums were for, I guess I was mistaken. I feel I have a keen eye for these models and it is a little un-nerving when I happen to have a favorable opinion of a release and another manufactorer (AK), who given his role in this hobby should have fine tuned educated opinion, comes out guns ablazing calling the release a complete piece of sh*t when it obviously is not. Case in point DW PAA B-377, while it has some flaws, look up the threads AK has referenced this model, thats one of the reasons I posted the pictures I took of it, I liked the release and wanted to show others on these forums, you know, maybe trying to "add to the hobby" .

goldy · 06-28-2005, 03:15 AM

If it were not for you guys I would have no idea which models had errors on them. When I buy a model I look at it through the window, if there is one, and then I stick it on my shelf for storage. I enjoy the model by looking a the photos that Brinkley and Todd and others take of the model. I figure the one in my box looks just like the photo. Put me into the "insane" catagory for it.

I do take a few out of their boxes to photograph them but I don't spend a lot of time looking at them because I am busy taking pictures while at the same time watching out of the corner of my eye for a mad sheltie that has designs on smashing my hangar. I lost one hangar to Jack and Chris Bates sheltie and I don't intend to lose another to one of those dogs.

Goldy

goldy · 06-28-2005, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by STEVEJ

I assure you I don't know anyone who makes or sells these things, as a matter of fact I don't even know anyone else who collects these outside of these forums. I think I have been fair in my critiques over the past, I have almost 400 models with an opinion of each one , almost all of which I keep to myself, but when a model is exceptionally good I will mention it and when one is in in my opinion lacking. I will also mention it, regardless of who released it. I thought that is what these forums were for, I guess I was mistaken. I feel I have a keen eye for these models and it is a little un-nerving when I happen to have a favorable opinion of a release and another manufactorer (AK), who given his role in this hobby should have fine tuned educated opinion, comes out guns ablazing calling the release a complete piece of sh*t when it obviously is not. Case in point DW PAA B-377, while it has some flaws, look up the threads AK has referenced this model, thats one of the reasons I posted the pictures I took of it, I liked the release and wanted to show others on these forums, you know, maybe trying to "add to the hobby" .

I was thinking that I enjoy your photos, Steve. I like the airport layout that you have so keep on with them. I buy few Dragon Wings, the last one being the first C5B. If they come up with another good one I'll go for it.

Goldy

cpal_747 · 06-28-2005, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by goldy

If it were not for you guys I would have no idea which models had errors on them. When I buy a model I look at it through the window, if there is one, and then I stick it on my shelf for storage. I enjoy the model by looking a the photos that Brinkley and Todd and others take of the model. I figure the one in my box looks just like the photo. Put me into the "insane" catagory for it.

I do take a few out of their boxes to photograph them but I don't spend a lot of time looking at them because I am busy taking pictures while at the same time watching out of the corner of my eye for a mad sheltie that has designs on smashing my hangar. I lost one hangar to Jack and Chris Bates sheltie and I don't intend to lose another to one of those dogs.

Goldy

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If you never take the models out of the box, and just put them on the shelf for storage, and then just enjoy the model by looking at pictures taken by other people, why do you bother buying the model in the first place?

STEVEJ · 06-28-2005, 10:11 AM

Some people collect only retro's, some only props, some only jumbo's, some collect for the boxes and some collect for registrations, N2272V removes the left wing from all his models, whatever the they do it defines the hobby for them. While I might think this guy is crazy for getting so upset over a registration number, he probably thinks I'm just as crazy for having two models in my photo with the same registration.

AIRWEST N9345 · 06-28-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by STEVEJ

Some people collect only retro's, some only props, some only jumbo's, some collect for the boxes and some collect for registrations, N2272V removes the left wing from all his models, whatever the they do it defines the hobby for them. While I might think this guy is crazy for getting so upset over a registration number, he probably thinks I'm just as crazy for having two models in my photo with the same registration.

TWO MODELS WITH THE SAME REGISTRATION....IN THE SAME PHOTO????? ABSOLUTE MADNESS!!!

goldy · 06-28-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cpal_747

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If you never take the models out of the box, and just put them on the shelf for storage, and then just enjoy the model by looking at pictures taken by other people, why do you bother buying the model in the first place?

Because, other than the hottest Russian women, which I also collect, I have nothing else to spend my money on. Did I not say to place me in the insane catagory? Each to his own. FYI...to date the models have proven to be more expensive than the women.

Goldy

06-27-2005, 07:11 PM	#55
AIRWEST N9345 Classic Jet Collector Join Date: May 2005 Location: Miami,FL USA Age: 50 Posts: 110	Well that seems a bit extreme...I'm more of a chinese water torture kind of guy :-) __________________ Retro Jets and Retro Airports from 1972 and earlier rule! No Freaking Airbuses, No freaking dot.com paint schemes either!, And Southwest Airlines was a pissant carrier that few had heard of!

06-27-2005, 09:17 PM	#58
RutleFan Collector Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 121	Bottom line is that the market will determine the significance of an wrong reg # on an otherwise beautiful and impressively accurate (by any standard) release. Apparently, most who are willing to pay $30+ for a little model can live with an honest (and atypical) mistake. Hope AC keeps releasing Westerns. Could use some classic World's as well. __________________ "OK, a limousine that can fly, now I have seen everything." "Really? Have you seen a man eat his own head?" "No." "Then you haven't seen everything, and neither have we."

06-27-2005, 10:31 PM	#60
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,645	I quess that eveyone has different interests in the hobby, I could care less about a registration number, hell can't read them anyhow, but since we opened the door here, I did jump all over GJ about the numerous mistakes on the AAL DC-6, and although they never admitted any errors they flamed back at me that they just supplied the box, AC supplied the model, so the question begs, WTF happen here? __________________ WIP: TIA DC10-30 CUB TU154 EAL L1011 Last edited by STEVEJ; 06-27-2005 at 11:12 PM.

06-27-2005, 11:37 PM	#62
AIRWEST N9345 Classic Jet Collector Join Date: May 2005 Location: Miami,FL USA Age: 50 Posts: 110	These two threads I started..The one where I condemned the WA 707 release, and the one where I prased the WA 720B..proving that I'm not the Klein hater some of you have made me out to be, have also been of help to me in another way. It's allowed me as a relative newbie to identify the sane...and the insane among you! Many thanks for your help! :-) __________________ Retro Jets and Retro Airports from 1972 and earlier rule! No Freaking Airbuses, No freaking dot.com paint schemes either!, And Southwest Airlines was a pissant carrier that few had heard of!

06-28-2005, 01:49 AM	#67
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,645	I assure you I don't know anyone who makes or sells these things, as a matter of fact I don't even know anyone else who collects these outside of these forums. I think I have been fair in my critiques over the past, I have almost 400 models with an opinion of each one , almost all of which I keep to myself, but when a model is exceptionally good I will mention it and when one is in in my opinion lacking. I will also mention it, regardless of who released it. I thought that is what these forums were for, I guess I was mistaken. I feel I have a keen eye for these models and it is a little un-nerving when I happen to have a favorable opinion of a release and another manufactorer (AK), who given his role in this hobby should have fine tuned educated opinion, comes out guns ablazing calling the release a complete piece of sh*t when it obviously is not. Case in point DW PAA B-377, while it has some flaws, look up the threads AK has referenced this model, thats one of the reasons I posted the pictures I took of it, I liked the release and wanted to show others on these forums, you know, maybe trying to "add to the hobby" . __________________ WIP: TIA DC10-30 CUB TU154 EAL L1011

06-27-2005, 06:20 PM	#52
ZX1100F1 Buford T. Justice Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 2,004	In my collection I have several models with imperfection be it Reg #'s, misspellings, backwards insignia, wrong type wing, pylons, the list goes on forever and it hasn't changed my life in the slightest! (Thank fukking God!).

06-27-2005, 09:18 PM	#59
fazeman Setting The Pace Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, Va. Age: 49 Posts: 2,028	I'm not going to burn any bridges by refusing to purchase from a given manufacturer. But, I will refuse to buy aircraft with obvious mistakes such as the items mentioned in this and other threads. Let the retailers hold these misfits. The Aeroclassics bridge is one of those flimsy structures that connect high mountain cliffs. Without mentioning quality control, it is their public relations that makes for a shaky walk. Damn it, this lighter doesn't work! Steve :

06-28-2005, 03:15 AM	#68
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,711	If it were not for you guys I would have no idea which models had errors on them. When I buy a model I look at it through the window, if there is one, and then I stick it on my shelf for storage. I enjoy the model by looking a the photos that Brinkley and Todd and others take of the model. I figure the one in my box looks just like the photo. Put me into the "insane" catagory for it. I do take a few out of their boxes to photograph them but I don't spend a lot of time looking at them because I am busy taking pictures while at the same time watching out of the corner of my eye for a mad sheltie that has designs on smashing my hangar. I lost one hangar to Jack and Chris Bates sheltie and I don't intend to lose another to one of those dogs. Goldy

06-28-2005, 10:11 AM	#71
STEVEJ Insane Collector Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Stony Brook, N.Y. Age: 100 Posts: 1,645	Some people collect only retro's, some only props, some only jumbo's, some collect for the boxes and some collect for registrations, N2272V removes the left wing from all his models, whatever the they do it defines the hobby for them. While I might think this guy is crazy for getting so upset over a registration number, he probably thinks I'm just as crazy for having two models in my photo with the same registration. __________________ WIP: TIA DC10-30 CUB TU154 EAL L1011 Last edited by STEVEJ; 06-28-2005 at 10:32 AM.

06-28-2005, 09:47 PM	#74
crownvic Junior Miss City of Orlando Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 3,434