American peeple buying Toy are all suckers! - Page 2

Sven Nikolaus · 06-14-2005, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JOHN JOHNSON

Quizz;

What about BigBird400?

Looking at my AF 742 I'd rather put BigBird400 into the BMW position.

justin · 06-14-2005, 05:54 AM

Buy Subaru!!

You can't wack a Subaru, great handling, bomb proff build quality, go like stink and great value for money, plus as a added extra you get that evil sounding boxer rumble, great

Great thread JJ

Justin

psalover · 06-14-2005, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by justin

Buy Subaru!!

You can't wack a Subaru, great handling, bomb proff build quality, go like stink and great value for money, plus as a added extra you get that evil sounding boxer rumble, great

Great thread JJ

Justin

Subaru's are good cas,but if you pick up a concumer reports magazine you will see between years 3 and 5,they start to have electrical problems.Infact they are in the black when it comes to this.Unfortunatly if you have a Subaru,and your are tryiong to sell it.A savy consumer who looks at this magazine will not be tempted to buy this car.
I sold subaru's for a few months ( Managment and location problems)I found 2 things when I was there.1) an all wheel drive car with lots of power is really fun,and 2)People who buy Subaru's are loyal,and you can tell them apart from people who don't buy Subaru's

N2272V · 06-14-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JOHN JOHNSON

Why American people like big engines? That's base on the measurement of our ego as y'all know that we wears over-size hat.

Explains to me now why I drive a Yukon Denali! Woohoo.....Not only am I politically incorrect, but I am using up scarce resources and causing polution!

JOHN JOHNSON · 06-14-2005, 01:28 PM

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Oh Johnny,Where are you getting your info from.Dodge?You really have no clue do you?

A)I'll start with the 4 Cyl. Therory.Honda Accord has 150 Horse Power.The same as a Ford Taurus V-6 LX,and it gets 34 MPH on the highway.go to a Hoda Dealer,test drive ,DONT BUY a 4 cyl. Honda,and then go drive a 4 Cyl Dodge you'll see the diffrence,Oh thats right,your FAT A.S.S. wont fit in a Honda. Duh

B)Your Oil change contract is for Normal Operating conditions.If I'm not mistakin You Book requires your oil changes either every 7500 or 10,000 under normal Operating conditions.This would equal at the most 2 oil changes a year.if you drive the Average of 12,000 to 15,000 miles a year.So if your oil changes cost you $30.00 every time then you saved $50.00.Oh Boy!!!Of course my local Honda delership always sends me coupons for $19.99 oil changes,and I am sure your Dodge dealer offers the same,Right?If so,then you actually paid $50.00 to much.

Didn't think did you.Oh,and one more thing.try try to get more then 2 oil changes a year.Good luck,and this also dosen't cover tire rotations,you are supposed todo these every other oil change.
C)$75.00 to $300.00 is if you get talked into a maintnence that you don't need,but thats what all the dealerships do.The "Service Rider" who you see when you bring your car in,also gets paid on commission.So the more they sell you in service the more they get paid.
D)The problem with what you heard about honda's being as reliable as Fords if neglected is just that."what you heard"As L1011 Heavy stated any car if neglected will be a P.O.S.ALL OF THEM.

E)Simple fact is most people only keep there cars for 3 to 5 years,They just get sick of them,but I can tell you that there are more people running around in Honda's with over 150,000 miles,then there are people running around in 150,000 mile Fords,GM's,and Chryslers combined.

Hey Stupid! What did you pay for your mini van???A Honda Odyssey starts at 19,000 for a base V-6 LX which has Pwr.windows,Locks,Mirrors,Tilt,Cruise,AC,rear AC,CD,and cassette,% spd auto trans and 28 MPH on the Highway.What does your Dodge get MPH on the Highway???The Odyssey dosen't come in a 4cyl.

and your theory about 4 to 5 times more is all wrong.4 to 5 times more means that there will be 4 to 5 times more collecting dust on the lots across America.4 to 5 times more means that because there are so many vans on the lots that they have to dump them.Big Discounts!! YOU LIKEY THAT,RIGHT!!Wrong.This just decreases the value of your van down the line.Who wants to buy a 3 or 4 year old USED VAN when they can buy a new one for the BIG DISCOUNT!!!that only hurts you when you try to sell it.Less vans mean harder to find when they are 3 to 4 years onl.For people who cant afford a new one,and this is there only option.2 things they are looking for 1)a price they can afford,2) a vehicle that will last them a long time.They cant afford to keep buying new cars all the Time.
One last thing doyourself a favor,and go to 2 websites intellachoice.com,and http://www.consumerreports.org/main/home.jsp and do some real investagating,and quite spouting off crap that you really have no clue about.You just look so foolish.Really its anoying

Oh and how many people do you think will buy a Dodge with 90,000 miles on it?How many people do you think that will buy a Honda with the same amount?More will buy the Honda,because they know they have a better chance of lasting longer.

Most of your commentary are 'Rong.

The coupon that I paid $250 is good for 4 oil changes per year X 5. (Equals around $12.50 per service) Which is every 3,000 miles. Also you once encourage and educated us how urgent to change oil every 3,000 miles.

Again, Sheesh, So sorry to disappoint you. Dang it..... Tire rotations is FREE! Free of charge! Every after two oil change intervals...... Should I call a nurse to comfort you? I save a heck A-L-O-T of money than that $19.99 plus charge rotation tires that Honda offers.

I save around $6000 on a 2005 Grand Caravan SXT (SXT is a top line. I option to go with less fancy but top line because of 3.8 liter engines. I'd avoid 3.3 liter for Grand Caravan.) last year which was a 2004 year. SXT engine is 3.8 liter which is bigger than teenie-weenie Honda's 3.5 engine. But Honda horsepower is slightly more and that is because Honda have 4 valves per cyl. Dodge's 3.8 liter engine horsepower would be way greater than Honda if they went for 4 valve per cyl. (I am sure that DavidMich would agree to that.

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Also I checked on insurance before I buy. As you, all, know that Honda have "Safety repuation" but unfortunately it cost alittle more to insure Honda. Dodge Grand Caravan is around $60 cheap to insure than Honda Odyssey per year. Toyota Sienna would cost nearly $100 more per year.

Again, Do the math, I save a heck lot of money.

I can not get savings from Honda or Toyota. I can not get a penny off the sticker on Toyota Sienna because dealers snubbed and said "We have 6 weeks waiting list." HA-HA-HA! No way I am going to spend 32,000-40,000 for that top line of Toyota Sienna while I grabbed top line Dodge for $24,500,

I can get savings by buying an American-made because they love me!

Wait until 2007-2008 Dodge is going to unveil All-New Minivan that would knock your sock out! Rumors has it that it would be similar as Mercedes' quality minivan and designs....... Imagine if I buy a Dodge that look like Mercedes, then I can just change the symbol and impress the ladies that I am driving a Mercedes!

Actually, I do not know what modern Mercedes minivan looks alike? I have saw Mercedes minivan in Bahamas last year. They look similar like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Mits in the 80's. I am sure that in Japan they still produce a flat nose minivan unlike here in this country as we seem to require to have a nose minivan? So, Ill wait and see.

Oh, To answer your MPG questions. Our Dog average 17 in the city. On Highway it averages from 22 to 28! (Depending on the load/road where you traveling ratio.) Yes we get 28 two occassionals! Mostly we average 24 with a full load of family and their toys. Again, Sorry to disappoint you. Damn it.

JOHN JOHNSON · 06-14-2005, 01:53 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8215728/

Investing in Russia....... Interesting......

1) Toyota's concern over U.S. Government's backlashes.
2) Investing a new plant in Russia and grow over the years.
3) Only time will tell.

Three strikes and you are OUT!

I just can not wait to see what is gonna to happen in the next 15-20 years!

(Fast forwarding)

crownvic · 06-14-2005, 03:14 PM

I like my 4WD Segway with 8 track player myself....

psalover · 06-14-2005, 05:57 PM

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Also I checked on insurance before I buy

Honda's 5 star against Dodges 3 star??I guess your family isn't that important.

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I save around $6000 on a 2005 Grand Caravan SXT

Because you are the only one buying these vans.

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grabbed top line Dodge for $24,500,

You pay for what you get...Lets see where your at in 4 to 5 years and 60,000 to 80,000 miles...New transmission anybody?

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Most of your commentary are 'Rong. The coupon that I paid $250 is good for 4 oil changes per year X 5. (Equals around $12.50 per service) Which is every 3,000 miles. Also you once encourage and educated us how urgent to change oil every 3,000 miles. Again, Sheesh, So sorry to disappoint you. Dang it..... Tire rotations is FREE! Free of charge! Every after two oil change intervals...... Should I call a nurse to comfort you? I save a heck A-L-O-T of money than that $19.99 plus charge rotation tires that Honda offers.

Your absalutly right.I said you should change your oil every 3,000 miles.The more you change it,the better chances of longer life.I just know about these "service agreements"

and what a the fine print usally states.If you look in your manual it states a "normal conditions" to change the oil every so many thousands of miles,which is way greater then the 3,000 that I would do.Also not to confuse you there ia also "Extreme Conditions" in the book,which is closer to the 3,000 mile mark.Now those great service contract usually state oil changes under "normal Conditions" not how many actaul miles.Your sales man may use words like "oh ya,your oil changes are covered for 5 years under normal conditions".Not your normal conditions,but the normal conditions in the book.

Now I,m really not trying to give you a hard time.I worked for Honda for 5 years.I have also Sold Toyota's,Subaru's,Mazda's,Pontiac's,Mitsubishi's,a nd when I was in L.A. last year I sold cars at the #1 Ford dealership in the U.S. Galpin Ford in North Hills,CA(Panarama City) for those of you familiuar with the Valley.There I sold Mazda's,Lincoln's,Saturn,Ford's,Volvo,Astin Martin,and Mercuary.Just at one dealership.Out of all of those,My favorite is Honda.I've seen a Honda that had obviously been mistreated come in the a blown motor,and 54,000 miles (lack of oil changes) and Honda replaced the motor.Told the owner that this is brand new,but they will not cover anymore,because they knoew it was not taken care of correctly.I have also seen tons of cars come in to be traded with 150,000 + miles.I taken in 2 trades 1 a honda civic 2 dr,he other a ford ZX2 both had the same equipment.The Honda trade was 10,500,and the Ford 5,500.Thats why I like Honda.I don't sell cars anymore,but will always recommend a Honda everytime.

Listen buy what you like.Your driving it,not me,and I dont sell cars anymore,so Its not like you would have bought from me anyway.All the stuff your talking about is just your preception,and your opinion.Someone who believes what he reads.i guess you believe Bush is doing a great job too.

My Preception,my opinion,and now here is the kicker,MY EXPERIENCE dictates that the Honda IS the better car.

JustPlaneCrazy · 06-14-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by psalover

You pay for what you get...Lets see where your at in 4 to 5 years and 60,000 to 80,000 miles...New transmission anybody?

Never a problem for me, I always trade when the warranty runs out

psalover · 06-14-2005, 07:53 PM

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Never a problem for me, I always trade when the warranty runs out

Thats the smart thing to do,but just think about this.You buy 2 cars.Both cars are equal in value lets say $25,000.00 at the beginning.Your warrenty is lets meet in the middle and say 4 years 50,000 miles.( some are 3/36 and some are 5/60)At the end of 4 years Car A holds a 62% resale value,and Car B holds a 48% resale value

Car A $25,000 62% after 4 years = $15,500
Car B $25,000 48% after 4 years = $12,000

Look at that difference $3,500.00 thats a lot of money,at least to me it is.

by the way this is a statistic from Intelachoice,not something I made up.

Now if you keep your car for only three years,or even 4.You may consider leasing.I know,people think thats such a bad word,but leasing is good because you know what the car is worth at the end of the lease.(end of lease value) If the car's market value at the time is worth more,you sell it and make a profit.(This is rare)Its usally worth less.People who lease get more car for a smaller payment,because you only pay on the diffrence between what the price is VS. what the end of lease value is.Another thing is that God forbid anything happens,like a car wreck,as long as you take it to an autherized location this does Not afftect the end price of the lease.You can still walk away from the lease at the end.If you own the car you take a big hit on it on trade if the dealership notices the repaint,which to a trained eye is very noticeable.Lease Mileage is adjustable so if you drive lots of miles this can be figured in.People usally sell between 3 to 5 years anyway,so you dont have to worry about what "IT" might be worth at the time you want to trade it in.You do NOT need more coverage on your Insurence policy.One last thing.You get a new car every 3 years,COOL!

On another note,Todd did you read that other thread,about the girl?

JustPlaneCrazy · 06-14-2005, 08:29 PM

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Thats the smart thing to do,but just think about this.

Let me rephrase, my company buy's me a new vehicle every 3 years, they do put a $60,000 cap on it though.....damn boss's

JustPlaneCrazy · 06-14-2005, 08:40 PM

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leasing is good because you know what the car is worth at the end of the lease.(end of lease value) If the car's market value at the time is worth more,you sell it and make a profit.(This is rare)Its usally worth less.People who lease get more car for a smaller payment

Yeah, I leased the last 2 vehicles I had, a Jeep Grand Cherokee, then a Benz E320. The lease worked great, just handed the keys in when over. I only put about 10,000 miles a year on a vehicle anyway.

One thing I really liked about the Benz, all maintenance including oil changes were under warranty. I even chipped the grill on the hiway and when I had it in under warranty service, the replaced the grill for free....

My current vehicle ('04 Denali XL) we bought outright for some reason but I was not complaining.

Of the 3 vehicles above, I like the Denali best....although the Benz was the most solid of the 3, the Jeep was junk....

STEVEJ · 06-14-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by N2272V

Not only am I politically incorrect, but I am using up scarce resources and causing polution!

And thats just when your running your mouth!!

psalover · 06-14-2005, 08:51 PM

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Yeah, I leased the last 2 vehicles I had, a Jeep Grand Cherokee, then a Benz E320. The lease worked great, just handed the keys in when over. I only put about 10,000 miles a year on a vehicle anyway.

One thing I really liked about the Benz, all maintenance including oil changes were under warranty. I even chipped the grill on the hiway and when I had it in under warranty service, the replaced the grill for free....

My current vehicle ('04 Denali XL) we bought outright for some reason but I was not complaining.

Of the 3 vehicles above, I like the Denali best....although the Benz was the most solid of the 3, the Jeep was junk....

Consumer Reports states the out of the "Big 3" Trucks segment that Gm has the best ride Quality.My wife drives a Expedition,I'm hopeing to dump it in the next year,and get a turbo deisel Excursion.They don't make them anymore so I'll have to find a 1 year old "program Car"

Those Benzo's are nice.I really like the new body style.A lot of your top end luxury cars offer this type of maintenece.Again you get what you pay for,in this case 5 star service.

A Tupolev · 06-14-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHN JOHNSON

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8215728/

Investing in Russia....... Interesting......

1) Toyota's concern over U.S. Government's backlashes.
2) Investing a new plant in Russia and grow over the years.
3) Only time will tell.

Three strikes and you are OUT!

I just can not wait to see what is gonna to happen in the next 15-20 years!

(Fast forwarding)

So whats the problem with Toyota investing in plant in Russia????

GM and Ford have already invested in plants in Russia. GM, Ford, and Chrysler have invested in plants in China.

Even Boeing has invested in building aircraft in Russia.

It's a Global Economy, get use to it.

Chances are in the next 15-20 years the Koreans, maybe even the Chinese will dominate the auto industry not the Japenese.

JOHN JOHNSON · 06-14-2005, 11:25 PM

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So whats the problem with Toyota investing in plant in Russia????

GM and Ford have already invested in plants in Russia. GM, Ford, and Chrysler have invested in plants in China.

Even Boeing has invested in building aircraft in Russia.

It's a Global Economy, get use to it.

Chances are in the next 15-20 years the Koreans, maybe even the Chinese will dominate the auto industry not the Japenese.

I am just jesting around.......

Global Ecomony..... Hmmmm..... Suppose 200,000 Russians have auto-jobs for around 20-100 years. Then all suddenly plants shut down due to cheap labor or whatsever around in this world or maybe Mars? Let me know how would 200,000 Russian workers feel? Ok?

So, Right now since your a Russian, (If I were you) I would celebrate and drink Russianshiners and celebrate such good news for your ecomony.

N2272V · 06-15-2005, 10:42 AM

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And thats just when your running your mouth!!

Touche' nutbag. One of your RARE intelligent and funny comments.

Carry on!

A Tupolev · 06-15-2005, 07:08 PM

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I am just jesting around.......

Global Ecomony..... Hmmmm..... Suppose 200,000 Russians have auto-jobs for around 20-100 years. Then all suddenly plants shut down due to cheap labor or whatsever around in this world or maybe Mars? Let me know how would 200,000 Russian workers feel? Ok?

So, Right now since your a Russian, (If I were you) I would celebrate and drink Russianshiners and celebrate such good news for your ecomony.

Я буду лить некоторую водку и пить тост за вашу глупость.

JustPlaneCrazy · 06-15-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by A Tupolev

Я буду лить некоторую водку и пить тост за вашу глупость.

Где в России Вы живете?

psalover · 06-15-2005, 09:48 PM

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Где в России Вы живете?

Not Fair!

06-14-2005, 01:53 PM	#56
JOHN JOHNSON Mysterious Collector Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,196	Good-Bye America plants, One day? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8215728/ Investing in Russia....... Interesting...... 1) Toyota's concern over U.S. Government's backlashes. 2) Investing a new plant in Russia and grow over the years. 3) Only time will tell. Three strikes and you are OUT! I just can not wait to see what is gonna to happen in the next 15-20 years! (Fast forwarding) __________________ Who should I consider? Dumbocrat Clinton or Ruptublican Johnny Mc Cain? Jimmy Mc Donald Help me!

06-14-2005, 03:14 PM	#57
crownvic Junior Miss City of Orlando Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 2,906	I like my 4WD Segway with 8 track player myself.... __________________ *SOON CELEBRATING 50 YEARS OF CONTINUOUS STUPIDITY AND STILL FOLLOWING NOT LEADING* "Hey Andy, unless we get some Police Package Crown Victorias, I'm quitting, and you can have your bullet back!" And yes, I did do Aunt Bea,,,she was great!

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justin Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,005	Buy Subaru!! You can't wack a Subaru, great handling, bomb proff build quality, go like stink and great value for money, plus as a added extra you get that evil sounding boxer rumble, great Great thread JJ Justin