Mr. Klien

Hapag-Lloyd · 04-16-2005, 10:43 AM

Isn´t the name spelt "Klein" rather than "Klien"?

In addition, isn´t the Chinese flag at the back supposed to be aligned with the front edge of the tailfin???

Hmmm....

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 10:56 AM

A) I didn't know that your name was Andrew
B) When you can do better, let me know, this was done on a sample mould that is less than perfect (See the engines) things do not line up so well when the mould is rough.

goldy · 04-16-2005, 11:04 AM

This on is Chinese? Would this be a fantascy because they did not fly this bird? I like it, don't get me wrong, I just want to know what it is that I am looking at. I understand about the imperfect mould creating a challenge for the alignment of the decals.

Goldy

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 11:05 AM

It flew:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/178654/L/

DirtyBird · 04-16-2005, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldy

This on is Chinese? Would this be a fantascy because they did not fly this bird? I like it, don't get me wrong, I just want to know what it is that I am looking at. I understand about the imperfect mould creating a challenge for the alignment of the decals.

Goldy

Not only flew but also built them, MD-80's were assembled in China.

richie154 · 04-16-2005, 12:14 PM

Kick rocks fatty, quit making excuses about decal alignment.

Hapag-Lloyd · 04-16-2005, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikings770

A) I didn't know that your name was Andrew
B) When you can do better, let me know, this was done on a sample mould that is less than perfect (See the engines) things do not line up so well when the mould is rough.

A: If you want to address Andrew SOLELY, then pm him, instead of posting on a forum. ´nuff said.

B: You will, eventually. Still, te rest is a poor excuse when all you´d have had to do was align the decal.

goldy · 04-16-2005, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyBird

Not only flew but also built them, MD-80's were assembled in China.

Interesting. Thanks. I just read last night about the DC-3s that were built in Russia and how they were different from the those built in the West. The variations were minor, such as an extra cockpit window for the Russian or snow guards on the engines, or an added passenger door on the right side. I wonder what the variances are between a Western MD and an Eastern?

Goldy

aklein707 · 04-16-2005, 02:15 PM

Thanks Chris; looking forward to receiving it!!

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hapag-Lloyd

A: If you want to address Andrew SOLELY, then pm him, instead of posting on a forum. ´nuff said.

B: You will, eventually. Still, te rest is a poor excuse when all you´d have had to do was align the decal.

If you align the decal it makes the flag crooked, if you straighten the flag it doesnt align, if you "Make" the flag align with the front of the tail AND keep it straight then the flag is the wrong shape.

I think I made the right choice.

Your problem is that you are just doing your best to find something wrong with the model and honestly you do not own one model that I couldn't find something wrong with.

Andrew, the model went out today, you should have it by Wednesday.

Hapag-Lloyd · 04-16-2005, 03:19 PM

Vikings, I have been rather polite up to now, but I´m beginning to understand Dave Aaron´s and Jim McDonald´s attitude towards you.

If you post a pic, then people will scrutinize the model. Not only yours, but also ACs, GJs, DWs, Herpas, everything. If you can´t take that constructive criticism like a man, then why post pictures. PLUS, you admitted yourself that the flag is wrong, yet in your opinion the lesser evil. So, where´s your point?

If any of my models have flaws, they are not as noticeable as the errors you put on your planes - I remember the Alitalia 722 with the way too small "A" on the tailfin...

Now get off your paranoia trip that everybody out here only wants to bash you.

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 03:27 PM

The point is that its not constructive criticism if you never have anything positive to say.

And the reason I post pictures is to get the "constructive criticism" and in the case of the Alitalia 727 I believe I thanked the person whom pointed it out and made the changes.

I welcome your input, I really do, and I explained the reason for the flag alignment.

I think the problem is that until you do custom models you really don't know how much work goes into each one. Mastakes will be made.
I'm not perfect, and I never said I was.

ZX1100F1 · 04-16-2005, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikings770

I'm not perfect, and I never said I was.

Don't sell yourself short, you're a perfect fat-a$s.

BTW The blue cheatline is not nearly dark enough but who cares since the whole decal thing is a joke.

L-1011-Heavy · 04-16-2005, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikings770

The point is that its not constructive criticism if you never have anything positive to say.

And the reason I post pictures is to get the "constructive criticism" and in the case of the Alitalia 727 I believe I thanked the person whom pointed it out and made the changes.

I welcome your input, I really do, and I explained the reason for the flag alignment.

I think the problem is that until you do custom models you really don't know how much work goes into each one. Mastakes will be made.
I'm not perfect, and I never said I was.

Yes And I Heard No Complaints Of The Misalignment Of The DW MD-83 White. Or the Gemini DC-8-40/50 Where Some Of The Cheatline/Pax Windows Were Above The Wing Where The Floor Is Supposed To Be!

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 03:40 PM

Gotta love the DAC "V" chip, I don't have to see Dave Aaron's childish posts anymore!

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-1011-Heavy

Yes And I Heard No Complaints Of The Misalignment Of The DW MD-83 White. Or the Gemini DC-8-40/50 Where Some Of The Cheatline/Pax Windows Were Above The Wing Where The Floor Is Supposed To Be!

Sorry, I don't know what you are talking about, please explain.

L-1011-Heavy · 04-16-2005, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikings770

Sorry, I don't know what you are talking about, please explain.

Eastern DC-8. Windows At The Floor.
AA-MD-83. Major Misalignment. Look At The rear. Ceatline And Windows Almost Above Engines & Very Close To The Top Of The Roof.
Look At the Front. Cheatline & Windows Where They Are Supposed to Be.
Never Heard A Single Complaint...Of Course Not...It's American.
Thank God The MD-90 Was Much Better. I Got That One Instead.

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 04:06 PM

Oh, I thought you were still talking about customs, cool.

Yes there are issues with the major brands, They used to be pointed out more on the forums but for some reason it has calmed down a bit.

I have seen major issues on every makers releases from time to time, the 1st to come to mind is Herpa's 1/400 L-1011 with the fan blades in the no. 2 intake...

Vikings770 · 04-16-2005, 04:07 PM

....I am still waiting for a "Good" L-1011 mould as that is my favorite airframe.

L-1011-Heavy · 04-16-2005, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikings770

....I am still waiting for a "Good" L-1011 mould as that is my favorite airframe.

Buddy! Did You Notice My Handle?
Don't Like The DW? I Think It ROCKS!! Look At The S-Duct!! Spot On!!
And The Cockpit Windows Are Not V-Shaped!!(but still could use some improvement)

Hapag-Lloyd · 04-16-2005, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikings770

The point is that its not constructive criticism if you never have anything positive to say...

Read some of my other posts. Here, and on other forums. You will see that I applaud releases I consider good, and that I point out shortcomings on those I dislike for one reason or another.

I will (hopefully) be doing a "custom" for myself, and I will post pictures when I´m done. I am certain that my model won´t be perfect, but if some of you point out any shortcomings, the next one will be better.

It´s not like I said "your model is a piece of d0gturd". I pointed out that the flag is misaligned, a fact that even you admitted. The "A"litalia was too small. Where was I wrong. No, it´s more like you can´t seem to handle any criticism, and if somebody doesn´t $uck up to you, you swear at him - in this case, me.

goldy · 04-16-2005, 05:38 PM

I wish that I had both the time and the resources to try a custom model. I have so many that I want to see. The JANET was very high on my list and thanks to Jordan I got hooked up with a very well done example. I told Jordan that I showed it to a tough critic...that would be der papa Klein. He was impressed with the quality of it.

Goldy

04-16-2005, 08:34 AM	#1
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04-16-2005, 10:43 AM	#2
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 2,395	Isn´t the name spelt "Klein" rather than "Klien"? In addition, isn´t the Chinese flag at the back supposed to be aligned with the front edge of the tailfin??? Hmmm.... __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!!

04-16-2005, 10:56 AM	#3
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 41 Posts: 2,965	A) I didn't know that your name was Andrew B) When you can do better, let me know, this was done on a sample mould that is less than perfect (See the engines) things do not line up so well when the mould is rough. __________________ My Website, click here!! Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net! My Airliners.net pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! *"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"* Last edited by Vikings770; 04-16-2005 at 11:25 AM.

04-16-2005, 11:05 AM	#5
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 41 Posts: 2,965	It flew: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/178654/L/ __________________ My Website, click here!! Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net! My Airliners.net pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! *"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"*

04-16-2005, 12:14 PM	#7
richie154 Retired Hookah Master Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Valley of Heart's Delight Age: 24 Posts: 3,718	Kick rocks fatty, quit making excuses about decal alignment. __________________ The Devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villian with a smiling cheek, a goodly apple rotten at the heart. Oh, what a goodly outside falsehood hath! Private Pilot: 10/20/2005 Private Multi Engine: 05/09/2008 The more things change, the more Mesa still sucks.

04-16-2005, 11:04 AM	#4
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,711	This on is Chinese? Would this be a fantascy because they did not fly this bird? I like it, don't get me wrong, I just want to know what it is that I am looking at. I understand about the imperfect mould creating a challenge for the alignment of the decals. Goldy

04-16-2005, 02:15 PM	#10
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04-16-2005, 03:19 PM	#12
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 2,395	Vikings, I have been rather polite up to now, but I´m beginning to understand Dave Aaron´s and Jim McDonald´s attitude towards you. If you post a pic, then people will scrutinize the model. Not only yours, but also ACs, GJs, DWs, Herpas, everything. If you can´t take that constructive criticism like a man, then why post pictures. PLUS, you admitted yourself that the flag is wrong, yet in your opinion the lesser evil. So, where´s your point? If any of my models have flaws, they are not as noticeable as the errors you put on your planes - I remember the Alitalia 722 with the way too small "A" on the tailfin... Now get off your paranoia trip that everybody out here only wants to bash you. __________________ THIS SPACE 4 RENT!!! Last edited by Hapag-Lloyd; 04-16-2005 at 03:23 PM.

04-16-2005, 03:27 PM	#13
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 41 Posts: 2,965	The point is that its not constructive criticism if you never have anything positive to say. And the reason I post pictures is to get the "constructive criticism" and in the case of the Alitalia 727 I believe I thanked the person whom pointed it out and made the changes. I welcome your input, I really do, and I explained the reason for the flag alignment. I think the problem is that until you do custom models you really don't know how much work goes into each one. Mastakes will be made. I'm not perfect, and I never said I was. __________________ My Website, click here!! Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net! My Airliners.net pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! *"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"* Last edited by Vikings770; 04-16-2005 at 03:29 PM.

04-16-2005, 03:40 PM	#16
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 41 Posts: 2,965	Gotta love the DAC "V" chip, I don't have to see Dave Aaron's childish posts anymore! __________________ My Website, click here!! Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net! My Airliners.net pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! *"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"*

04-16-2005, 04:06 PM	#19
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 41 Posts: 2,965	Oh, I thought you were still talking about customs, cool. Yes there are issues with the major brands, They used to be pointed out more on the forums but for some reason it has calmed down a bit. I have seen major issues on every makers releases from time to time, the 1st to come to mind is Herpa's 1/400 L-1011 with the fan blades in the no. 2 intake... __________________ My Website, click here!! Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net! My Airliners.net pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! *"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"*

04-16-2005, 04:07 PM	#20
Vikings770 Professional Photographer Join Date: Sep 2001 Age: 41 Posts: 2,965	....I am still waiting for a "Good" L-1011 mould as that is my favorite airframe. __________________ My Website, click here!! Click Here to view my aircraft photos at JetPhotos.Net! My Airliners.net pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! My AirlinePics.com pics, click here!! *"Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums"*

04-16-2005, 05:38 PM	#23
goldy Complete Wacko! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,711	I wish that I had both the time and the resources to try a custom model. I have so many that I want to see. The JANET was very high on my list and thanks to Jordan I got hooked up with a very well done example. I told Jordan that I showed it to a tough critic...that would be der papa Klein. He was impressed with the quality of it. Goldy

04-16-2005, 06:08 PM	#24
Hapag-Lloyd Insane Collector Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 2,395