Old Argument New Look

Canamwing · 09-25-2004, 07:30 PM

Last year or so we had posts about who made the best 1:400 models. We had dragon, geminijets, aeroclassics and tucano(rest their sole).

I wasn't sure back then which on was the best?

today after getting the T.C.A. connies no contest.
Aeroclassics is the best in my opinion, I give geminijets and dragon equal runner up position. I still collect all the brands but aeroclassics is the best today.

JFK'ER · 09-25-2004, 10:19 PM

Aeroclassics, BigBird and SMAC. Dragon Wings, Gemini and the rest....they always have big time flaws and they seem to fall apart after awhile. Although I will say that Gemini provides the liverys that the first three won't or are unable to do.

JFK'ER · 09-25-2004, 11:24 PM

The GJs have flaws and are not exact like aeroc, smac, and big bird. Ex: No wingtip fuel dumps on Boeing 747s, or the windows are too high on the upper deck of my TWA Boeing 747..or my Air Namibia 747-SP leans on it's tail because the center of gravity is in the back....it's the Dragonwings that fall apart..especially the vertical stabilizer and the landing gear..and who doesn't play around with their diecasts once in awhile?

shandaken · 09-26-2004, 12:14 AM

Aeroclassics without question, as SMAC seems to be defunct. I must admit that Gemini has made some improvements (i.e. seamless) to its moulds. The KLM 777-200 is awesome. Beautiful delivery on a beautiful aircraft and spot-on mould.

TWALOVER · 09-26-2004, 12:43 AM

Mine have never broken either... and they're constantly flying around my room. My air space is quite crowded, although.

TWALOVER · 09-26-2004, 12:47 AM

I only collect GJ and Aeroclassics (and BB only when it's a must have , cause they are quite expensive). DW and SMAC have never interested me due to their plastic parts.

nutsXplanes · 09-26-2004, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LAX1983

SMAC has no plastic parts it's all metal. and that sucks that you don't like DW they have great releases you should at least check them out you wont be disapointed man.

suck up, brown nose!!!

P/S: Aeroclassics, SMA and Gemini. DW only if it comes on a Jet-Xed flavor, great *s*h*i*t* they come up with.

Regards!!

JFK'ER · 09-26-2004, 09:56 AM

What can I say, LAX. You are a man that is heavily disciplined to resist the temptation of playing with your diecasts. I only wish I could just sit and stare at them like you must do and say to myself "these will never fall apart because I will not pick them up..."...as far as the analness of my wingtip preference....the question on the board is who I/you think makes the best diecast 1:400. I gave my answer and my reasons why. Obviously, I have given the wrong ones.

planemark · 09-26-2004, 11:28 AM

I believe all these have their high points. I till think GJ represents the best overall value. Good models at good prices. Aeroclassics rule when it comes to props, but some of their first generation stuff looks like crap to me (e.g. DC-9). SMAC can't be beat for small airframe detail-without a doubt the best 732, and DW just makes some nice stuff. You may philosophically hate the plastic wing, but the detail on pods and engines is great. Oh yea, we can't forget that BB400 may have the best overall quality, but they some times make big errors and are costly. Despite this, my Singapore Tropical is certainly one of my top five models.

Also, I may not be a "true collector," but the idea of not playing with these sometimes bewilders me. And I haven't the resources to buy two or three copies, one to dispal and one to store--ridiculous.

STEVEJ · 09-26-2004, 11:58 AM

I don't believe there is a clear answer to this question anymore. If I were to place my GJ AZA B772, AC NAL L-1049, DW AAL MD-80, SMA USN C-9 , BB KLM 742F all next to each other, the quality and accuracy are all superb and the manufactorer would be in my opinion indistiguishable. Take into account availability, release information and photos of new releases and we may just have a new thread .

JFK'ER · 09-26-2004, 12:10 PM

I actually agree with the GJ (as is DW) being a good value. They put out liveries and airframes (such as Iraqi 747s and Iberia DC-10s) that my favorite three haven't.

09-26-2004, 01:45 PM

I think it simply depends on the mould(s) of the manufacture. I have yet to see anyone match a 707 from Aeroclassics, MD-80 from Dragon, 777 from Gemini etc... Every manufacture has great moulds and moulds that left you wondering what they are thinking. I don't think any one manufacture has a complete fleet of perfect moulds.

JFK'ER · 09-26-2004, 02:58 PM

Then I have mis-understood and give you my heart felt apologies.

nutsXplanes · 09-26-2004, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LAX1983

It's all good man

hay nena, to seas chula que peinado tan perron. Can you say: "don't cross the line buddy"

"it's all good man".....darn fairy, you don't deserve to have your own street corner.

nutsXplanes · 09-26-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LAX1983

OOOOOOOOOKAY?.....

what does this all mean O Great one?

I'll tell you what......I'm not gonna tell you.....I don't have to!

MDWTWA · 09-26-2004, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I think it simply depends on the mould(s) of the manufacture. I have yet to see anyone match a 707 from Aeroclassics, MD-80 from Dragon, 777 from Gemini etc... Every manufacture has great moulds and moulds that left you wondering what they are thinking. I don't think any one manufacture has a complete fleet of perfect moulds.

And, conversely, each of the manufacturers has one or two things that they seriously need to retool. DW's Connies, Aeroclassic 727s, Gemini's 707s, and based on most of the conversation on this board, no one can make a 767 worth buying.

Not to criticize. It is just that each manufacturer does something good and something bad. It all evens out in the end.

aklein707 · 09-27-2004, 09:14 AM

What's wrong with the BB/AC 763??

KenB · 09-27-2004, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MDWTWA

and based on most of the conversation on this board, no one can make a 767 worth buying.

I don't know what conversations you have been following but the AC/BB B767-300 is great and I have seen few if any negative comments on that mould.

Flying Ace · 09-27-2004, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Heteny

Last year or so we had posts about who made the best 1:400 models. We had dragon, geminijets, aeroclassics and tucano(rest their sole).

I wasn't sure back then which on was the best?

today after getting the T.C.A. connies no contest.
Aeroclassics is the best in my opinion, I give geminijets and dragon equal runner up position. I still collect all the brands but aeroclassics is the best today.

Yep...old argument! AKA FLogging an equine morte ! I just don't know the relevance of the discussions anymore or what purpose do they serve. Like the model...buy the model. Don't like...move on and buy something else.

Enjoy the hobby.

Sven Nikolaus · 09-27-2004, 09:23 PM

Aeroclassics without any doubt. They were the reason why I started my 1:400 collection. My A/C Iberia Super Connie is the pride of my collection.
By the way, nobody has mentioned yet Herpa's 1:400s. I think their latest releases e.g. the Airbus 310-300 are good (best landing gears). And their A340-600 mould is just state of the art.

TWALOVER · 09-27-2004, 10:00 PM

Yeah... but Herpa make plastic c**p like DW. Sorry, but I won't buy their stuff.

09-27-2004, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TWALOVER

Yeah... but Herpa make plastic c**p like DW. Sorry, but I won't buy their stuff.

Not completely true. The A345/A346 (which are spectacular!), the 742, 733 and others are now all metal and fully seamless even under the wings.

TWALOVER · 09-27-2004, 11:46 PM

Hmmmm, I might have to give DW a second look, if what you say is true.

MDWTWA · 09-28-2004, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by aklein707

What's wrong with the BB/AC 763??

Back when I was a lurker on the boards, I remember a post in which someone lined up all the 767 models and started picking them apart, especially the nose. I just spent 30 minutes trying the old post, but I couldn't.

So, since I cannot back up my story, I will RESCIND my comment. No complaints on 767s, and especially from AC/BB.

And soon I will be able to judge for myself since I JUST ordered the Lan Chile 763, which will be my first BB 763.

I reserve the right to redirect my comment later!

navimik · 09-28-2004, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KenB

I don't know what conversations you have been following but the AC/BB B767-300 is great and I have seen few if any negative comments on that mould.

yep, the best, except for the BB UPS and the AC TACA, yeah with the "wing walk" arrows painted on the wings when there aren't any freakin emergency exits above the wings--great quality control

thats not being picky, they overlooked the obvious...and thats pretty lame

Vikings770 · 09-28-2004, 03:00 PM

Very old argument.

Personally I buy what I like regardless of who makes it.

To boycott a company because they use plastic or because their nose gear is .0005 mm to high is stupid IMO.

Recently I have not bought many models, mostly due to space issues, I have recently received the GJ and DW C-130's, the DW P3C Orion and I have some GJ C-17's on the way, each model has its good points as well as its flaws.

I no longer buy AeroClassics though but the only reason for this is because I am really not into retro for the most part, I can't remember the last AC I got, probably the Bonanza F-27.

Gemini has excelent quality and detail, I like the all metal issue but Dragon has incredible detail that cannot be duplicated with all metal and DW has made some really cool improvements lately like including replacement parts with its new models, not just wheels! but extra props and rear doors for the C-130.

My .02

09-28-2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TWALOVER

Hmmmm, I might have to give DW a second look, if what you say is true.

Herpa all metal, DW is still plastic.

TWALOVER · 09-28-2004, 10:58 PM

Oppps, sorry... I meant Herpa.