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This is another one on my long lobbied for Must Have list that I won't be getting... I despise the GJ MD-11 mold as much as the DC-10 mold...
If GJ could get the cockpits right, drill out that #2 engine properly like the Dragon one and get the fuselage section round, they might get a buy from me. Until then, I'm gonna be missing out on their releases as much as they will be missing out on my money!
There's always their EXCELLENT DC-8 for GJ's salvation! Howz about a CP Air!
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Originally posted by AirDar This is another one on my long lobbied for Must Have list that I won't be getting... I despise the GJ MD-11 mold as much as the DC-10 mold...
If GJ could get the cockpits right, drill out that #2 engine properly like the Dragon one and get the fuselage section round, they might get a buy from me. Until then, I'm gonna be missing out on their releases as much as they will be missing out on my money!
There's always their EXCELLENT DC-8 for GJ's salvation! Howz about a CP Air!
Originally posted by AirDar This is another one on my long lobbied for Must Have list that I won't be getting... I despise the GJ MD-11 mold as much as the DC-10 mold...
If GJ could get the cockpits right, drill out that #2 engine properly like the Dragon one and get the fuselage section round, they might get a buy from me. Until then, I'm gonna be missing out on their releases as much as they will be missing out on my money!
There's always their EXCELLENT DC-8 for GJ's salvation! Howz about a CP Air!
Your thinking of the Delta DC-10. It had "Delta" on the engine nacelle.
1st to recieve, 1st to go~
Currently, this is the only MD-11 painted in the new scheme and will be the 1st MD-11 retired by Delta this year!
After going through it's final C Check (with Delta) and getting a new paint job, you would think it would be the last of the 15 Detla MD-11's to go. Go figure!
MD-11 also flew with that but the engines are different from the rest of the fleet.
Yes the DC-10 is where that came from when Delta originally ordered some then removed them from the fleet and when Western was taken over. I thought they did! John Johnson I thought mentioned it.
Originally posted by AirDar This is another one on my long lobbied for Must Have list that I won't be getting... I despise the GJ MD-11 mold as much as the DC-10 mold...
If GJ could get the cockpits right, drill out that #2 engine properly like the Dragon one and get the fuselage section round, they might get a buy from me. Until then, I'm gonna be missing out on their releases as much as they will be missing out on my money!
There's always their EXCELLENT DC-8 for GJ's salvation! Howz about a CP Air!
I hear ya Dar, but I gotta say, i really like my new Condor DC-10, despite that "nasty number 2" situation . It is also a peeve of mine. Perhaps Ill get out the Dremel and fix it.
I feel the same way about GJ pylons on their RollsRoyce planes. I totally have missed out on all the BA releases, but refuse to buy something so blatantly wrong.
Craig's talking about the 5th and 6th prototype MD-11's---N511MD, and N514MD (611 must have been unavailable). They were some of the very first MD-11's ordered, by Mitsui Leasing. (Heck, might have been the 2nd order after B.Cal) DL decided to lease them right from the start (as DL was a little late in ordering, and would have otherwise got MD-11's well after AA). Unlike DL's own MD-11's, these had GE engines, and had the name on the intake, rather than the tail logo. (They also had shorter stripes--they only went to the rear door, not all the way back). They were otherwise built in full DL colors. They were only in service until DL started getting their own MD-11's (with PW's).
These also happen to be some of John Johnson's most wanted planes...
Re: NEW : 1:400 : Gemini Jets : GJDAL279 : Delta Air Lines : MD-11 : (nc)
I've always hoped this one in 1/400. Thanks Gemini !!!!
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Originally posted by Piston 52 Heavy Can you get any more anal?
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Originally posted by UnitedFreak Are you for real?
Yes, as a matter of fact, I CAN get more anal and I AM for real! VERY for real.
As a professional creative it is MY JOB to look at everything through a microscope. It separates the "artists" from the Designers... The wannabes from the men my friends... When you make even a little mistake in MY line of work, it can cost a client, a manufacturer or a network 100's of thousands of dollars.
I have bought MANY models with errors that I find objectionable and yet still enjoy, but when Dragon offers an MD-11 with as great of a #2 intake as it does, why should I settle for one that looks like it's engine is boarded-up for mothballing? Just to have another wavy gravy scheme? I like the new Delta scheme just fine, although it's not too imaginative... and I happen to think it looks really smart on this airframe, but at the cost of these models, I have to draw a deciding line SOMEwhere.
I notice that neither of YOU two have anything USEFUL to say about this model...
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Originally posted by Piston 52 Heavy Can you get any more anal?
You know, that facts is that AirDar is right. The Gemini DC-10 is their poorest mold for all the reasons Dar had pointed out plus numerous others. If you know very little about the DC-10 (or have blind allegiance to the manufacturer) then you might think the GJ DC-10 is OK, but there are those of us who would disagree. I have less to say against their MD-11 but still wish they would get the cross-section round. For me on the MD-11 the #2 engine at least is drilled out far enough you can't see the plug all that easy. If Gemini is able to get the cockpit windows on correctly (about a 50/50 craps shoot), then I have no problem purchasing a MD-11 as I like the Gemini paint jobs better overall. The DC-10 on the other had requires a real special livery to get my money. So far the only one to meet these requirements is the Mexicana, which I really like warts and all. But AirDar has a lower threshold for poor molds than I do, so I respect his opinion and hope that the folks at Gemini read this and care enough to revamp their McDonnell Douglas tri-jets.
This model is one that I would like to consider (along with the United 777) in my dream world where I have money
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Same here---my only GJ -10's are National, B.Cal, and Laker--stuff I've GOTTA have. While I have a dozen DW's, with another half-dozen to get.
GJ MD-11's: VASP (I love that scheme) and DL widget are my only GJ's (and well DL Olympic if that counts)--and only because JX got the DL widget's stripe wrong. JX's widget MD-11 is vastly superior to the GJ one in every way, but it is the *one and only plane I own whose color is so off, I don't display it.* It's about 45 shades too light--it's Pepsi blue, not "off-black" like it should be. The GJ one has an off cockpit, poor tail, poor winglets, poor flaptrack fairings, and the gear looks funky (especially the nosegear). But it looks ok from a few feet away, whereas the JX one screams "I'm blue like BN" from across the room. (I love DL widget -11's, and would buy yet another, if either GJ or DW/JZ offered a new, "corrected" version--GJ needs to make it GJ II and fix the cockpit, JX needs only make the stripe darker)
Re: Awww... Did I step on your dewicate widdle toesies?
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Originally posted by AirDar Yes, as a matter of fact, I CAN get more anal and I AM for real! VERY for real.
As a professional creative it is MY JOB to look at everything through a microscope. It separates the "artists" from the Designers... The wannabes from the men my friends... When you make even a little mistake in MY line of work, it can cost a client, a manufacturer or a network 100's of thousands of dollars.
I have bought MANY models with errors that I find objectionable and yet still enjoy, but when Dragon offers an MD-11 with as great of a #2 intake as it does, why should I settle for one that looks like it's engine is boarded-up for mothballing? Just to have another wavy gravy scheme? I like the new Delta scheme just fine, although it's not too imaginative... and I happen to think it looks really smart on this airframe, but at the cost of these models, I have to draw a deciding line SOMEwhere.
I notice that neither of YOU two have anything USEFUL to say about this model...
I do apologize if you took offense at my comment. However, your comments based on the posted image did seem a bit, um, extreme in my opinion.
I guess I am not one to view my models from a distance of two inches with a copy of the manufacturer's blueprint in hand. Rather, from my vantage point, seated at my desk, looking about five feet across the study to the wall are several handsome display cases, in which my models reside - and they look great.
The only models that really annoy me are the early GJs that have no window frames and the first generation 747 mould's main landing gear - yuck. Also, early 737-800's had incorrect engine nacelles. I didn't buy them, even though I really wanted the AA 738.
Anyway, I just don't see what you must see. The mould looks good...and as a DL employee, I must own this model. It represents the first and ONLY DL MD-11 to be painted in the current "flowing fabric" livery and will look great next to the other three DL MD-11s and my DL collection in general.
On a side note (and I know that the issue of metal vs. plastic has been debated to death) I just can't bring myself to buy (very many) DW models.
Case in point: I have a DW Western DC-10, a DW Pan Am A300 and a GJ Northeastern 722 on my desk at work...to signify Delta's heritage. I bumped the Pan Am model, knocking it and the Northeastern model about eight inches off the display. The Pan Am wound up with a broken landing gear and rear stabilizer. The Northeastern was fine. I had just bought the Pan Am model three weeks prior. Man was I was pissed.
I do, however like the "wheels up" display option of DW & JX. I have to give them that. I wish GJ would offer that option. I wouldn't be that hard to do...but I digress.
As for my not posting anything "useful" about this model...what would you like me to say? I think it's a great airline and a great livery on a nice-looking piece of metal. I'll leave my magnifying glass in the drawer.
P.S. The following statement:
It separates the "artists" from the Designers... The wannabes from the men my friends... When you make even a little mistake in MY line of work, it can cost a client, a manufacturer or a network 100's of thousands of dollars.
...was just silly. We're talking about model planes - a hobby made for enjoyment - NOT a time-critical, color-specific graphic design project.
I am glad this scheme is being released and I don't have the same problem with the mould as others of you seem to. The only problem for me is that the aircraft type is being retired SOON. I don't usually care to fork out money for a plane that will be retired very soon, but it is a must for the Delta livery and because it is a reasonable price unlike the Dreamjets MD-11 with olympics DL livery.
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Re: Awww... Did I step on your dewicate widdle toesies?
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Originally posted by AirDar Yes, as a matter of fact, I CAN get more anal and I AM for real! VERY for real.
As a professional creative it is MY JOB to look at everything through a microscope. It separates the "artists" from the Designers... The wannabes from the men my friends... When you make even a little mistake in MY line of work, it can cost a client, a manufacturer or a network 100's of thousands of dollars.
I have bought MANY models with errors that I find objectionable and yet still enjoy, but when Dragon offers an MD-11 with as great of a #2 intake as it does, why should I settle for one that looks like it's engine is boarded-up for mothballing? Just to have another wavy gravy scheme? I like the new Delta scheme just fine, although it's not too imaginative... and I happen to think it looks really smart on this airframe, but at the cost of these models, I have to draw a deciding line SOMEwhere.
I notice that neither of YOU two have anything USEFUL to say about this model...
I agree with Dar on this! I may buy Gemini's tend to be more for the scheme on the plane. Liking the colorization of the models however the mould of 707, DC-10, MD-11 and 747-400(RR) all need improvements. I have Dragons for some Gemini's for the other. Still I do buy them! I like the molds of the 757-200 and 737-700/800 even more. Metal for the complete package must be harder to make then plastic in some respects. So they are all interesting.
On my job is a little bit different then my job and yes I am a profectionist. On a 120 per centimeter job for printing I am nit picky about one pixel even in a Photoshop file.
My memory regarding the Delta DC-10s was that they bought a few pending delivery of their L-1011s. Once their L-1011s arrived they sold the DC-10s. That was in the early to mid-seventies I believe. The Western merger was later. Did Delta ever fly Western DC-10s?
As to the Dragon vs. GJ argument I prefer the GJ. Not because GJ's mold was better but because their printing was better. It seems that DW models, including the Jet-X Delta MD-11, are often too light in color.
Originally posted by UnitedFreak I do apologize if you took offense at my comment. However, your comments based on the posted image did seem a bit, um, extreme in my opinion.
Well, well, well... a response that is greater than three words. Someone was challenged to think and MET that challenge!
Let's see...
Of COURSE I took offense at your comment.. you MEANT it to be insulting! So I was insulted! Do we have a problem with communication here? Don't try backpeddling now... I critiqued the MODEL! Not the people who like it. Not Gemini's OTHER models (DC-10 excepted in this case) You asked me if I was "for real"... that's usually a comment reserved for people thought to be either stupid or on drugs. I'm neither, so I stated my case again in a more pointed manner.
I guess I am not one to view my models from a distance of two inches... across the study to the wall are several handsome display cases, in which my models reside - and they look great.
Well, bully for you. You own handsome display cases and look at models that are 4" long or less from a distance of 5'. I can look out my window and see REAL airplanes that look THAT size ALL DAY! I rotate my models to the top of my computer so I can see them from a distance of 18". Less when I pick them up during renders. I do this because it is MORE enjoyable for me than staring out the window at the bellies of Mustard Rockets at 3000'... PLUS I get my work done at the same time.
The only models that really annoy me are the early GJs that have no window frames and the first generation 747 mould's main landing gear - yuck. Also, early 737-800's had incorrect engine nacelles. I didn't buy them, even though I really wanted the AA 738.
So it's OK for YOU to avoid purchasing THOSE GJ's but I'm not "for real" when I avoid buying THIS one? PUH-LEASE! SPARE me the sanctimony! At least you're willing to admit you're critical of SOMETHING! This mold is no better than those you highlight... the printing IS better now, but the mold is not. Let me have MY piece and I'll give you yours...
The mould looks good...and as a DL employee, I must own this model.
The mold does NOT look as good as Dragon's, but FINE! So your handle is "United Freak" but you WORK for Delta and are SO beholding to them that you are compelled to buy seemingly anything with the Delta name on it, "just because..."
On a side note... I just can't bring myself to buy (very many) DW models.... I do, however like the "wheels up" display option of DW & JX. I have to give them that.
Again... I like the Dragon mold and am willing to treat them extra gingerly in exchange for what I percieve as a feature. Removable gear and finer detailing on the horizontal surfaces. You indicate that YOU like the SAME features, but are unwilling to take responsibility for safeguarding them. When they break, it's because they are made of inferior materials. I don't even let my 5 year old get away with THAT excuse!
As for my not posting anything "useful" about this model...what would you like me to say? I think it's a great airline and a great livery on a nice-looking piece of metal. I'll leave my magnifying glass in the drawer.
Well for a starter, THAT was a fair statement!
The ONLY thing you posted on this thread prior to my taking you and Piston 52 to task, was to accuse me of not being "for real". I don't happen to think that was a constructive or useful statement and there are many well respected members here who will concur. If you want to rip on ME, you'd better have something better to say or an opinion to come from first. I've been very clear and consistant about this for over 2 years on this forum.
P.S. The following statement: ...was just silly. We're talking about model planes... NOT a time-critical, color-specific graphic design project.
I am critical about my hobbies and life in general as I am in my work. It's the reason I'm employable. However, members here want their models ASAP and cry "foul" and "boycott" when it takes more than 6 weeks for a release to make it to dealers... THAT'S time-critical. Collectors complain about color matching on almost EVERY release. THAT'S Color-specific. If GJ does a poor job and stock sits on the shelf as a result, it costs them their investment of money... JUST LIKE my clients. We actually ARE talking about a business, NOT JUST model planes.
Perhaps you'd like a different analogy. (Sarcasm mode ON)
If a Delta mechanic left the covers on the Pitot tubes of a plane that was shipping out the way GJ has left too much metal in the intake of their #2 engine, the result wouldn't be pretty...
I welcome you honest opinions about models. Until they are stated, I'd thank you to keep your expositions about other's character to yourself.
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The photo is of a leaf cuticle of Kadsura japonica, a woody vine native to Japan and Korea, and one of the 70 or so species of plants I'm studying for my doctoral dissertation at UC Davis. The darker circular structures surrounded by radiating rosettes of cells are ethereal oil glands on the underside of the leaf.
All you're seeing here is the leaf cuticle and nothing else. All of the other leaf tissue has been destroyed through oxidative maceration. The cuticle is resistant to the extremely nasty acids used in this process, and (WAKE UP!!!) remains as a thin, flexible sheet after everything else is destroyed. It is then stained (using Safranine O in this case), mounted on a microscope slide and examined. (Electron microscopy coming soon also!) The cuticle is a waxy, virtually indestructable layer covering leaves and stems (those without woody growth / bark) of virtually all plants. Cuticle (along with pollen and spores) is virtually indestructible, and persists forever.
Cuticles have been obtained from rock as old as Silurian (about 400 Million years old), and by examining them, one can learn a great deal about the leaf epidermis and (WAKE UP!!!) its associated features, and can infer a great deal about plant habitat, growth form, climate, mass extinction, past floras, etc. Part of what I'm doing is examining select representatives of primitive living flowering plants, partly to draw conclusions about the fossils, and to draw conclusions about leaf structural evolution in the earliest flowering plants of the Early Cretaceous.
So do you need to use cuticle scissors to cut them off?!?!
WOW K... it makes you sound like one of those "tree huggers" up there in Davis... ;p It's a wonder you can even LOOK at a horrible metal, smoking, polluting, blue-ice spewing abhorration of a thing like a commercial jet! ESPECIALLY a BLACK Meatball!
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Originally posted by AirDar ...so it would be safe to say you are about as intelligent as a Blue-Green Algae.
This explains a lot...
Time for me to nitpick:
Algae is plural. Alga is singular.
Blue-green algae are not "pond scum", but in fact often live a symbionts in plant tissue, as in some aquatic ferns, cycads, and in root nodules of legumes where they fix molecular nitrogen into nitrate or ammonium. Blue-green algae are actually more closely related to bacteria than other "algae" (i.e. green algae, brown algae, diatoms, etc).
"Pond scum" consists of mats of filamentous Green algae such as Spirogyra. Green algae are more closely related to land plants than any other type of algae.
BTW Dar, While I was hospitalized in 1991 due to a bicycling accident, my neurosurgeon told me he thought I had an IQ in the neighborhood of 200. (A true story!) Maybe this explains my preference for the RED meatball.
Well Dar, I see we've turned DAC into our late night chat room!
Now, will all the rest of you just funk off, and take your damn GJ Delta MD-11s with you!?!?!?
Actually Dar, if you like to breathe oxygen, you can thank the algae! Of all the biologically produced oxygen in the atmosphere, the MAJORITY of it comes not from plants on land, but algae in the ocean, and not in the dark portion either! We're talking PHOTIC ZONE here pal! Literally every breath you take is dependent on these little creatures!!
Now, RED meatballs rule! C'mon, say it Dar, you know you want to. Say it!! "Red Meatballs Rule!!" Come to the RED side!!!
I am critical about my hobbies and life in general as I am in my work. It's the reason I'm employable. However, members here want their models ASAP and cry "foul" and "boycott" when it takes more than 6 weeks for a release to make it to dealers... THAT'S time-critical. Collectors complain about color matching on almost EVERY release. THAT'S Color-specific. If GJ does a poor job and stock sits on the shelf as a result, it costs them their investment of money... JUST LIKE my clients. We actually ARE talking about a business, NOT JUST model planes.
It is obvious from your comments that you are far more critical of the models you collect than others on this forum. However, I still view your original remarks as a bit extreme. Also, you took my original comment far too personally and my subsequent comments evoked a reaction that was filled with animosity.
As for your personal attack on my user name, well, that was just a bit odd. As a former UAL employee, I chose that name two years ago. Now as an employee of Delta, I've chosen to use the DL avatar but have no plans to re-register or change my UnitedFreak handle. As for:
The mold does NOT look as good as Dragon's, but FINE! So your handle is "United Freak" but you WORK for Delta and are SO beholding to them that you are compelled to buy seemingly anything with the Delta name on it, "just because...
No, I actually don't buy anything with the Delta name on it just because. I'm a bit more selective than that. I buy what I view as quality collectible items. This GJ model is a quality item that is worthy of being in my collection.
You indicate that YOU like the SAME features, but are unwilling to take responsibility for safeguarding them. When they break, it's because they are made of inferior materials.
Oh please...did I ever blame anyone? No, I didn't. I stated that the plastic pieces of the DW model broke while the all metal GJ model escaped without injury. I then stated that I was pissed. You turned that statement into a personal attack.
I could go back and forth with you on the various merits of one manufacturer or another and debate with you endlessly on the various imperfections of these 1/400 models. But I won't. I don't have time and I'm not that obsessive. You may have overfocus issues associated with OCD.
I welcome you honest opinions about models. Until they are stated, I'd thank you to keep your expositions about other's character to yourself.
I've given my honest opinion about this model. As for character attacks, I've attacked no one. You on the other hand, "Dar," have spewed forth a litany of complaints and objections that were unwarranted.
As for me...I look forward to owning this particular DL model.
One final note...the OCD remark was a bit of sarcasm, in case you thought otherwise.
aside from the mould debate,..Ive noticed that GJ models are quite a bit tougher than DW, also somethings always falling off of the DW models here or there....
Only planes I've ever broken are all GJ's. A DW plane will take a little "nudge" on the tail, gears, or engines, they'll just bend unless you apply enough to snap it.--GJ's snap, never bend. (It's ZINC, not STEEL they're made of, they're not all that strong, especially thin parts like gear and pylons)