Someone please stop Jet-X from making ugly model into "unwanted rare" models...
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Notice how I have always referred to having all 8 "known" versions of the Braniff A380's?
Maybe there are actually even rarer gold "chase" A380 models randomly inserted into cases? In such a circumstance, and only because it is Braniff, I say bring it on!
As for the remaining commentary... I just can't leave well alone can I? Are you one of those "friends" or did you aquire your Black A380 through normal retail channels? Regardless, didn't it end up on E-Bay?
I got one from a Skunk Works source number on plane is #67 it is no 69 but lower the better I think!
I will be getting and have JX054, then the yellow and red! Red and blue were tested on the DC-6. So I wanted the red. Already have an orange Gemini Big Orange so going for other colors here!
The cost(low) and retailer will remain nameless in this circumstance! Just lucky.
Forrest,
The man of Braniff Interrogations! May I pass friend of the one armed man.
I remember asking my bookie for this model long, long before it was released. He just got few that he has to give to other collectors that bought all seven 380s. I could only afford three ( poor me ) As far as I understand, retailers have to buy a good chunck of planes in order to get few JMXs.
Ebay'er "atinman@cox.net" is really none other than Brian Wiklem hiding behind someone elses name so he can sell his items on Ebay for a little proffit and cut out the middleman.
Originally posted by ZX1100F1 Sounds like a typical load of Jet-X BS to me!
Ebay'er "atinman@cox.net" is really none other than Brian Wiklem hiding behind someone elses name so he can sell his items on Ebay for a little proffit and cut out the middleman.
You know Dave, you really are as stupid as you look.
Bill Anderson - Atinman, is not Brian Wiklem. Brian lives 85 miles away from Bill, so unless Brian has two homes you're wrong.
Dave, why don't you start your own company before bashing someone else's.
Oh that's right, you don't have the financial wherewithall to start your own company right now. Well, never fear, I understand Thomas Edison used to live in a trailer park before he got in with General Electric so I guess your time will come as well.
Originally posted by ContinentalCrew Bill Anderson - Atinman, is not Brian Wiklem. Brian lives 85 miles away from Bill, so unless Brian has two homes you're wrong.
Dave, why don't you start your own company before bashing someone else's.
Oh that's right, you don't have the financial wherewithall to start your own company right now. Well, never fear, I understand Thomas Edison used to live in a trailer park before he got in with General Electric so I guess your time will come as well.
Sheesh.
I think he'll be better off with the stand up comedy gig...his avatar is making me laugh already
Simmer it down, Dave. When are you going to let it go already? It's the same refrain from you, over and over and over and over and over again and again and again.
I've bought models from Bill Anderson before and he's a decent guy and reliable seller, period. It's one thing to rant on tirelessly about Jet-X (I've kinda gotten used to that bit) but a different thing to smear someone else's name who's got no beefs here all in the name of your jihad against Brian Wiklem.
Now go on and have a seat and kick back with some real beer instead of that Utah pisswater...it'll take the edge off.....seriously.....
I just got "Buy Now" JX Northwest Orient DC-10 magic metal #45 of 50 made for $125.00 What a sucker am I? But I must to have this one to entire my DC-10 collection anyhow.
No matter how much I spent and I will never get Delta 1996 Olynplic MD-11 from JX as a secret gift regardless how much $$$ I spent on their products. No wonder why Brian sold his BADER 1/200 Delta MD-11 Olymplic! sometime last year!
Originally posted by Sentinel Chicken Simmer it down, Dave. When are you going to let it go already? It's the same refrain from you, over and over and over and over and over again and again and again.
I've bought models from Bill Anderson before and he's a decent guy and reliable seller, period. It's one thing to rant on tirelessly about Jet-X (I've kinda gotten used to that bit) but a different thing to smear someone else's name who's got no beefs here all in the name of your jihad against Brian Wiklem.
Now go on and have a seat and kick back with some real beer instead of that Utah pisswater...it'll take the edge off.....seriously.....
So you can get all those gifts from him...... Oh yes I got it. WINKY WINKY WINKY......
Originally posted by ZX1100F1 Sounds like a typical load of Jet-X BS to me!
Ebay'er "atinman@cox.net" is really none other than Brian Wiklem hiding behind someone elses name so he can sell his items on Ebay for a little proffit and cut out the middleman.
I, too, have bought from Bill Anderson before and I actually get stuff from him via email on a regular basis. He's definitely NOT Brian...
But I bet that if Bill owned his own model company, he would've released a few Southwest models by now...
My point is that Jet-X and others are complaining about the prices that the Black and siliver A380's are going for on Ebay but DUH! lets place blame where it is due......Jet-X is the one who made only 50 and 75 each of these models. When you make so little of something you are creating a higher demand for it.
Jet-X/Brian if you truly want to avoid these problems in the future stick to regular production runs.
I think the dealer problem goes much further than the JX Braniff A380's. I do think JX made a mistake with their numbers, but the problem of some dealers goes way beyond these particular models. How many times have we all seen "sold out" models suddenly appear in shops in a pile of about 20 pristine new boxes at a 300 or more mark up?? How many times have we all seen dealers rapidly ramp prices when they see the mdel selling well?? Dealers manipulating prices, using E-Bay to ramp prices is just turning me off the hobby. I want to say that the dealers who take part here are NOT who I am talking about, I used Jetway models for my models and will recommend him 100% and have only heard good reports about Chris and Eztoyz, but anybody who has visited CAM UK or Mach 3 at LHR knowes what I'm talking about, and they are not the only culprits. Nobody objects to dealers making a profit, and passing on higher costs and making a higher return where they can is OK, but the way some dealers work is almost obscene to me, it's just turning me off as I see people become obsessed by greed.
For typical, common, every day releases... the hobby has already reached or is getting close to reaching the saturation point, ie., too high a ratio between sellers and buyers.
Simply put - there are too many retailers in the business. The competition means fewer sales per retailer. This forces the "dasterdly deeds" of some in an attempt to make ends meet. Throw in the "wanna be" dealers (armchair dealers, speculators and resellers) and the E-Bay factor and the problem only muddies.
Solution? None.
End result? We shall see. This is nothing new - it is symtomatic of all hobbies. Some survive the storm, some do not.
Originally posted by Westjetter John...my shop where i shop at still has a couple in stock...only $60 in CANADIAN funds... hmmmmmmmm. I guess that doesnt really help you now...next time just search around more before going to e-bay.
Dave, I'd be mighty appreciative if you could share info on how I can contact your retailer. I'm looking for this one as well. Thanks in advance.
Originally posted by Forrest Tohill For typical, common, every day releases... the hobby has already reached or is getting close to reaching the saturation point, ie., too high a ratio between sellers and buyers.
Simply put - there are too many retailers in the business. The competition means fewer sales per retailer. This forces the "dasterdly deeds" of some in an attempt to make ends meet. Throw in the "wanna be" dealers (armchair dealers, speculators and resellers) and the E-Bay factor and the problem only muddies.
I couldn't agree more, but I'm even more cynical about where this hobby is going. For the past few weeks, I've been reading all kinds of whiny posts about how DAC has changed. Sorry for the wake up call, but the hobby has changed, and DAC merely reflects these changes.
Jet-X: a relatively small clique of enthousiasts masquerading as a business/model distribution company. From a collector's point of view, the company's distribution policies are maddeningly opaque. Based on Jet-X posts, the company seems to decide the size of its production runs based on the number of pre-orders or dealer orders they receive. Collectors, meanwhile, if the want to be sure to get a particular model, must pre-order from a retailer before the price is even set. I, for one, get real tired of posting a "screw me" sign on my back. The recent Braniff 380 debacle merely reinforces the notion that you're not just buying a model, but maybe a lottery ticket, as well. On the other hand, the company's decision to back off of its "jump through the hoops" promotions" is a major improvement.
737Club: The opposite of Jet-X as this seems to have been a would-be business/model distribution company masquerading as a relatively small clique of enthousiasts. Asking for up-front membership fees to fund business start-up operations is a bass ackwards approach which I am happy to see failed.
AeroClassics: Initially a small niche player which has become a major player. Not much to complain about here, but the Braniff nine-pack was a bit much. Models are still a little too pricey, and the constant hype about how low the production numbers are just keeps feeding the frenzy.
Dragon Wings: Does this company still market and distribute its own models???? It seems that nearly everything DW does lately has been for third party distributors such as Jet-X, Tucano Line, Airshop, etc. Do you think adding more and more middlemen is helping this hobby, especially as each tries to capitalize on their "exclusive releases?" Sorry, but with nearly every model being marketed as a "rare" or premium model, DW has lost nearly all of my business. I just don't have the time nor the money to pursue all of these attractive releases, so I choose to do without.
Gemini: In all honesty, I have very few complaints about Gemini: They announce the models, they release the models, and I can nearly always buy them from my normal retailer. In those few instances where I couldn't (jetblue, orbis), gemini went out of its way to inform its customers where they could be ordered. On the other hand, I hold Gemini responsible for the insipid Braniff craze that has been sweeping this hobby. Their first club model set the standard, and I think a lot of people are maybe hoping that other Braniff products may give them "bang for the buck." One other minor quibble I have with Gemini is the expolsion of their releases. A few years ago, Gemini had what I considered to be a reasonable release schedule, allowing collectors with even relatively modest means to buy all new releases and maybe have a little left over to buy the occassional jet-x, dw or even starjet. Not anymore.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled mud slinging...
Originally posted by Westjetter ...my shop where i shop at still has a couple in stock...only $60 in CANADIAN funds...
You are probably talking about the chrome version. The polished metal numbers only 50 and I don't think Jet-X release those through normal distribution channel. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Some good points by Forrest (who I agree with about saturation) and Criton.
About the Braniff issue - Geminis club model (and the SP) are the best diecast Braniffs we have ever had even to this point. Up to then we had Aerominis (old and overpriced), the wings500 SP (better than most other herpas) and the horrible neon orange Dragon 747-100. Since then we have had IMO numerous nice editions for us Braniff aficionados to add to our fleet. They are colorful and represent a very interesting time period of US commericial aviation unlike the boring Lufthansa or Air Canadas.
I would not blame Gemini for the braniff insanity. Many collectors waited years for quality diecast Braniff and they delivered. The Aeroclassics Bac111 set has also proved to be quite popular and if you wanted a single color these were once available on ebay for a reasonable price.
I see that this topic is a thorn in some peoples sides. I have to say that if I was resourseful enough and had the resources to pull something like this, hell ya I would sell on ebay and get my invested money back plus some. It is all business. I hope it doesn't become a standard practice but just about anyone could scoop up a bunch like this and make enoughs to add 100 models to their own collection. I agree with Viking that the only way to prevent something like this is not to make extremely low amounts of any certain model. If you are going to make Braniff in different colors and you are only going to make 2000 than atleast release them in equal quantities of each color instead of 10 of one color 100 of another color, 250 of another, etc.
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Originally posted by ContinentalCrew Bill Anderson - Atinman, is not Brian Wiklem. Brian lives 85 miles away from Bill, so unless Brian has two homes you're wrong.
Dave, why don't you start your own company before bashing someone else's.
Oh that's right, you don't have the financial wherewithall to start your own company right now. Well, never fear, I understand Thomas Edison used to live in a trailer park before he got in with General Electric so I guess your time will come as well.
Sheesh.
Marc,
Since when are you my financial advisor?
Next time you're in SLC stop by my pad, then you will have the right to judge me.
Re: Re: The Official Jet-X satement!!!!!! Phooooooey
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Originally posted by Jet-X
You know Dave, you really are as stupid as you look.
@ Jet-X,
Indeed, he does. But he'll never realize as he's too primitive. Oh, and he accused you of being liers. Any proof? Or just another maligne campaign (as usual)?
@ Viking770,
Why do you complain about that? Take it for leave it!
Next Jet-X release
Huh!
Why?
In such a circumstance, and only because it is Braniff, I say bring it on!
The Braniffsgate
Re: The Official Jet-X satement!!!!!! Phooooooey
You brown nosing with Brian allready?
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